Slovenia didn’t lose at the tournament

First pen was decent and great save

2 and 3 were average at best

They was telegraphed by the taker. U could see where the 2nd and 3rd was going by body shape

Keeper is diving left or right

They are hit exactly where he is diving if he goes to his right
so he's 50/50 to save at random, and if he reads
it he has greater chance to save.

tell Shilton that...

Bad luck Slovenia, but on reflection, who wants to see another potential 0-0?


Exactly. At least Portugal had a go and actually tried some attacking football. Slovenia are like England. Boring talentless players hyped by the media.

tbf I could absolutely see France v Portugal being 0-0

for a population of their size they've performed miracles...just as their Ice Hockey team at times..

So every expected team has made QF

Think tomorrow we get a shock! Romania to beat the Dutch

So England drew with Denmark and everyone hammered England - Denmark narrowly lost to Germany in a fairly even game, soft pen given.
England drew with Slovenia who drew with Portugal after 120 minutes and scrapped through on penalties.

Maybe England are not as s*** as everyone thinks, international football teams are a lot closer than they used to be in tournaments, they were two good sides well organised and coached whilst being hard to break down, as Germany and Portugal have found out.

Swiss be much the same as they proved against Germany and Italy (ignoring Scotland game where for some reason they just wanted a draw to get through).

Put's England matches under a different light.

Will be another narrow win or loss against the Swiss who are yet another solid defensive team that England will struggle to get much from.

Kind Regards.

Who has criticised England for their results? Stop gaslighting us into suggesting England have played well. We have eyes. It doesn't put England's matches under a different light.

Who said England has played well ? nobody said that on this thread. What was said, it you re-read, is that England are not as s*** as everyone has said, there is a a difference. And it does put England under a different light, it shows that the teams England have played are all hard to beat regardles of tactics deployed, as Portugal found out against Slovenia and Germany found out against Denmark. Even Slovakia who England scrapped past, they beat Belgium, France scrapped past Belgium.

England in general have been bad, but they're not as bas as been made out.

Unless you are counting Croatia, Italy and perhaps Holland as top teams, England have been worse. None of them were fancied beforehand tho.
The top sides were considered to be England and the QF teams left in the top half of the draw before the start.
England scored a lucky goal and then immediately sat back against Denmark and were outplayed for the remainder. That's why they were hammered. A draw was a good result as it maintained their 2 point lead at the top of the group, Slov and Serbia having drawn 1-1 earlier.
They play at a pedestrian pace and have a massive imbalance on one side of the pitch which makes them fundamentally different, in a bad way, to all the other top sides.
In their own half of the draw, the Swiss and Austria have been better and have played against better sides than England have played.