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Never a manager. Getting beat now by a pub team.
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80 minutes in and Arsenal fans will already be in meltdown on arsenal TV. the android wont last the first home game of the season as he was already 8 months overdue the sack from last season
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Stealing a living from day 1. A complete chancer and expert waffler
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will change nothing though, obviously arteta is hopelessly out of his depth, but until the club gets sold this gets a lot worse before it gets better
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There's trouble at t'mill
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even worse is,tonights result comes after they were beaten by Spurs a few days ago,not that will really hurt.
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tbf the club haven't backed him with cash. Unless you bring in new ambitious players the only way is down.
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He just spent £50m on a centre half who can't head the ball
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Heading the ball is dangerous anymore than 3 times in a match.
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Neville just said he's a very talented manager. I'm sick of hearing this shíte from the media about this guy. His only track record as a manager is at Arsenal and it's woeful. Emery got fired for 4 months of this and Arteta has had 19 months of it.
If you move arguably the then best goalscorer in the league, the only thing that worked at Arsenal before he arrived, to the left wing as your first move that's a massive Red Flag. He has banished Saliba and Guendouzi. Saliba, a CH who is a great prospect and cost £30m, loaned out and now replaced by a worse defender for £50m. Saliba would also be better at RB than Chambers who should be gone 3 years ago. Auba has the hump with him as well. If you have no intention of playing him up top and letting him score 20 a season then sell him, don't give him a 360k a week contract to play on the left wing. That's worse than giving Ozil 350k a week to play in his best position. If he was being paid to sabotage Arsenal that would make more sense to me. |
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Post of the week ^
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There was a stat given out on Talksport yesterday that said that from, iirc, December 1st Arsenal had the second best record in the league - I.e if the season had started on Dec 1st they would have finished second behind City.
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Well he was assistant to the wonderful Guardiola and their billions.
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Yes, that stat is correct, it is for the last 24 games starting with the 3-0 at home to Chelsea when he brought ESR into the team. They were 14 points from the first 14 games before then. It is a remarkable stat because the performances were largely awful. It would be hard to repeat playing at the same level and that is worrying for Arsenal. Looks like they will start with 0 from 3 games this year.
The media tell us he's improved the defence - he hasn't, he just has 8 men behind the ball like Southgate and doesn't score many as a result. The defence is clearly not organised as a unit and you can buy as many defenders as you want it's not going to improve much. Nearly all the players he's signed on permanent deals are defensive too. The only attack-minded player he's signed on a permanent deal is ..... Willian !! White and Mari are his signings. All of Arsenal's best players are attackers and he plays defensively and has signed a raft of defensive players without improving the defence. When is the last time you saw an Arsenal CM make a run into the box or beyond the striker? They are not allowed to do that, one of the reasons Willock was useless to him. Auba has the hump with him and I'd say a few other senior players are sick of it at this stage. You have to play very poorly to lose to this Arsenal side and it happened a good bit in the latter half of last season in fairly meaningless games most of the time. Look at their performance in the the EL during the same period. |
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Daily Mail reporting he wants to sell Auba now. Good luck with that, prob shouldn't have given him 360k a week.
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Posters bandy huge wages figures but suspect truth is in most cases no one knows the real figures other than club, player & agent.
Newspapers invent figures based on speculation and then other newspapers join in and soon everyone assumes they must be correct. |
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Wenger out !
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Nice comfortable to low table finish for the gunners fans - obv they will have stopped watching football by mid oct but nevermind -you could be selling your biggest star for loads of money to a rival. Note sure who that's star is these days but you know what I mean.......
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What qualification does this guy have (besides sitting beside Pep for a few years) to be given a relatively big job in the Premier League? Absolutely out of his depth but I hope Arsenal keep the faith with him for at least the remainder of this season.
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Is incredible how Emery got more stick for finishing 5th and getting to Europa League final than Arteta gets for finishing 8th.
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Judging by the performance at Brentford Arteta did fantastic to finish 8th.
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n88uk 15 Aug 21 02:08
Is incredible how Emery got more stick for finishing 5th and getting to Europa League final than Arteta gets for finishing 8th. That's football fans for you and not just the Arsenal ones |
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Not really. The slide was already in place before Dick Emery took over. He just made it worse. Arteta is taking it to a new level.. what is scary is that I don’t think Arteta has taken Arsenal as far as he can.
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Talk of a swap of Auba and Coutinho now. Koorabchian, Edu's mate, is Coutinho's agent. These two planks will leave Arsenal a lot worse off than Wenger/Gazidis.
Also gave xhaka a new deal. Captain on Friday, new deal til 2024 and pay rise on Monday. After he ****d himself out to Roma a couple of weeks ago. Couldn't make it up. If Spurs were paying these two under the table would it look any different? |
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Are the reports true that PEA had a bust up with Arteta over team selections the day before the NLD, thats why he turned up late for the game. The Arsenal Striker accused him of having an ego, ir are these just rumours circulating, I remember there was something about it at the time
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I think Auba has had the hump with him since early last season. He stalled over signing his deal for a long while. Why? I think it was because he was unhappy playing out wide and wanted to be the main man up top again like he'd always been. Can't imagine Arteta didn't give him some assurances before he signed the deal or that he'd have signed it knowing he'd be played out wide when there were other clubs interested in him.
Arteta is a coach. Zero man management or transfer market experience and it's showing. The only thing he's good at is talking shíte and he's convinced a lot of people with that. He told Willian he wanted him for 3 years because it will take 2 to get top 4 and 3 to win the Cl. Can't imagine what he told Partey or Auba etc. |
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in regards to Lacazette, think he just wanted to leave Arsenal, but was blocked from doing so.
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#Wenger out
be careful watcha wish for plastics   |
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Yep. Wenger must be looking at this circus and be wondering to himself why he was forced out. Fan power is usually a disaster, and this is the latest example. What always did amaze me was how so many "experts" on here had heralded Arteta as a "brilliant assistant" to Pep at City. You have to laugh.
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Wenger had to go. And he made sure that his successor wouldn't be top class by tying up the following seasons wage budget with Ozil's new deal and giving his successor a squad full of dross on CL wages that nobody else would pay them elsewhere which made them unsellable/unmarketable. Mustafi, Ozil, Kola, Xhaka, Laca all Wenger signings all unsellable. Why do you think the first names fans want out are the last to leave and promising youngsters are the first?
Premier league FFP rules at the time were more stringent than UEFA FFP rules when it came to wage increases. Wenger tied up all the allowable wage increase (7m a year increase) with Ozil's new deal, which meant the club couldn't afford to pay a top manager and didn't have the budget to attract one. Just because his successors haven't done any better (Emery did in yr 1) doesn't mean it was the wrong decision to get rid. He would have damaged the club more with dross signings and it was highly unlikely anyone was going to succeed after him given the above state he left the squad and the finances of the club. None of the mugs in the media understand any of this and more than 80% of the fanbase don't either. The club were on their way to unraveling the mess by signing younger, more promising players until Edu and Arteta came along and sent us backwards another 5 years by signing older guys on huge wages with no resale value like Luiz, Willian etc. Luiz was understandable because Koscielny, the club captain, downed tools and demanded a move for free 5 days before the first PL game. That was down to Emery overplaying him in meaningless games after he came back from a career threatening achilles injury the previous season. Auba is the best signing Arsenal have made in over a decade, scored at a better rate than Kane, Salah, Mane, Aguero since he joined until Arteta came along. He didn't just turn shíte overnight or lose his hunger to score after signing a big deal. The manager is the problem. |
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Spot on Lurka. All of those people who say 'careful what you wish for' regarding Wenger are not Arsenal fans and don't understand what happened.
Wenger was great at the start when there were only 2 teams challenging for trophies. Arsenal and Man Utd. But when the big spenders joined the party and Liverpool got a top manager it all changed. Arsenal would go to Anfield, Old Trafford, the Bridge, and get no only battered but humiliated. Happened time after time and Wenger stuck with the same old system. Never thought of adapting their style. The club got worse and worse and eventually sacked. Arteta is similar in the fact he only wants to play one way and will not accept that his system is simply not working. Its extremely difficult if not impossible to play the 'old' Barca way when you don't have the talent in the squad which enables you to do that. Arteta was used to De Bryne, David Silva etc now has Xhaka, Elnenny. Stubborness to change is what done for Wenger and will do for Arteta. |
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Yes, keep hearing people in the media saying Arteta doesn't have the players. He doesn't have the players to play like Man City, true, so don't try to play like them, play in a way which suits what you have and when you gradually get the players in to play the way you want then do that. That's what any half decent manager like a Moyes or Allardyce would do. Arsenal's strength is in attack, all of their best players are attackers and Arteta plays defensive with zero invention or fluidity up top. You don't play a false 9 when the only thing working at Arsenal is Auba scoring at a phenomenal rate. That's the last thing you do and if we had an owner who had half a clue about football or had his eye on the team at all that should have been a massive red flag from day 1.
Wenger became obsessed with possession football after he lost to Barca in 2006. Little players who could keep possession all over the pitch. He completely ditched everything that brought him his early success, steel down the spine, pace, counter-attack speed, winners in the dressing room. All of that was stripped out of the team in favour of lightweight, slow tempo, sideways passers, Giroud up top with his back to goal. The likes of Chelsea and City came along with more money and he had spending constraints due to the new stadium but it was never about money really. He always had enough to buy a top goalkeeper, a DM and more pace in the team but he didn't want to play like that any more and showed ridiculous loyalty to players like Bendtner, Almunia etc who had never performed for Arsenal while all the decent players like Nasri, RVP, Sagna, Cesc etc who were ambitious upped and left because Wenger didn't match their ambition. |
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agreed, people that think wenger is not to blame for any of this is much mistaken, and should probably concentrate on their own clubs
we cant keep blaming him forever though and he is not the only one at fault but the downward spiral has been happening for 15 years, and came from the loser mentality that comes along from targeting fourth place arteta is way out of his depth, i argued at the time that emery was hard done by, as although not perfect he was a step back in the right direction from latter year wenger, but inherited an absolute mess and was then not given the player he wanted then hiring someone who has never managed a game of football before was completely insane, and would never have happened in any other business this decision ans the earlier one to extend wengers contract when almost everyone wanted him gone show that the kroenkes do not understand football or the fans, only money it was only when wenger started costing him fortunes than he acted, not because of fan power losing sanchez, ozil, ramsey, wilshere (all worth a lot fo money at their peaks) for a combined £0 was an absolute disaster all because wenger said it was better to run down contracts ! fast forward to the present , and where once we wouldnt offer bergkamp and pires longer deals as they were 30, we now extend xhakas contract, a player that couldnt lace their boots a sad state of affairs that will only get worse before it gets better im afraid it worries me that the only reason we have bought ben white is because of the staggered payment plan 9we dont have to pay anoything for another year and then is is spread over three) , a but like with pepe when you are signing players for this reason rather than buying the players you want it really is time to worry |
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So, according to Lurka, Wenger, who loved Arsenal so much, and probably still does, and managed them for more than twenty very successful years, then operated a "scorched earth" policy in ADVANCE of leaving.
I've never laughed so much since I was a children. I bet you think there is a World War II bomber on the moon and that the Earth is flat Lurka. |
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Maybe Lurka's on to something. Fergie also went all scorched earth on Man Utd before his departure.
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SAF's last purchase for United was a young Wilfred Zaha.
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Fergie didn't freshen up his squad in his last few years and left Moyes with an aging squad well past their best. And Phil Jones.
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