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02 Dec 19
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whats the gig,any cheats etc for this weeks epl games
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You can watch on a range of devices, from memory up to three simultaneously with two of these being allowed to be the same programme.
will the time lag help the Bournemouth players as they always seem to be 30 seconds behind play anyway? lol
iPad three seconds behind smart tv, need to find a way to measure difference to live
only twelve seconds if live score clock is reliable but far from certain about that
only twelve seconds if live score clock is reliable but far from certain about that
I've taken the free trial, although only for December. I'll get these midweek games and Boxing Day games for nowt, with the bonus of free delivery for christmas presents etc. It's about 31 seconds behind digital radio, which is quite a few seconds behinds medium wave, so probably abot 40 seconds or so altogether. So, probably less of a lag than Now TV, which isn't saying much.
Tennis is around 45 seconds to a minute behind so that is consistent
Dec 3, 2019 -- 7:35PM, toonangel wrote:
will the time lag help the Bournemouth players as they always seem to be 30 seconds behind play anyway? lol
Apparently you have the option to mute commentary
but still have the crowd
NOISE
Weird
but still have the crowd
NOISE
Weird
eurosport had crowd noise only years ago
a great feature
a great feature
solanke is league 1 standard, possibly a worse signing than almiron
Seven 0-0 matches this season in the EPL, Bournemouth were in two of them, Palace in another
36 games with no first half goals this season : 7 finished with none, 9 with 1, 15 with 2, and 5 with three
my picture quality poor lots of lagging 
plus phone notified me of goal 30 secs before went in
plus phone notified me of goal 30 secs before went in
picture quality very good here through ps4 on a 30mb line
every game should be live like this, crowds wouldn't go down, give us access to our own league
how many people would pay £40 a month for every game live like this? a lot i would assume, and it wouldn't necessarily be such an incentive for people who go to the games to stop going like say £7.99 a month could be
ive backed bournemouth at 20s. surely must create some chances
it all means more revenue for the EPL. madness to think that they don't do something like this with the fan base they have in the UK
Tiresome that every media company that gets football rights immediately goes out and signs the pundits from the other channels.
It's such an archaic myth that 'people won't go to the games' if they are on TV. There was no live football in the early 80s and attendance was an all time low.
I backed Palace early on, took the loss after the sending off, but couldn't help myself and went back in laying the draw.
Would likely have been better for me if Bournemouth had scored but bailed out for a small win.
Would likely have been better for me if Bournemouth had scored but bailed out for a small win.
if it was really cheap then some people might think i can watch the games not only cheaper but in the comfort of my own home, keeping it relatively high would stop lots of people doing that if that is indeed the fear, otherwise there's no reason not to, why would the premier league punish its uk viewership who want to be able to watch a game without illegally streaming it. it makes better business sense to open something up where it's a monthly or a yearly sub and you can watch every single game, like the nfl does, like the nba does. simon jordan has been talking about this recently, the netflix of football. the premier league needs it
they must have worked out that it's better for business if they sell a portion of games at a premium to BT or sky .. that's the only reason, keep a premium product at a higher price
There is an argument for the EPL teams to allow fans in for free or next to nothing given the tv money they rake in.
Get a full house, and rake it in from food and drink sales instead.
Get a full house, and rake it in from food and drink sales instead.
It's scary to think come season end neither of these 2 will be in relegation bother yep that's all you need to know about standards in the EPL. 2 good teams and a long tail.
if it ain't broke don't fix it. people are willing to pay for it
The path that they could end up going down is each club selling their own tv rights.
That would be bad news for the "smaller" clubs, the rich clubs would stretch even further ahead.
That would be bad news for the "smaller" clubs, the rich clubs would stretch even further ahead.
Radio 5 live are absolutely raving about the Jesus goal. A good goal, but not that good! A simple inside of the foot curler that any player should be abe to do, if given that much time on the ball.
Just timed the delay on the palace/bnmth game...12 secs from suspend on BF to final whistle.
Annoying for Amazon that they couldn't have the United V Spurs game tonight and then Liverpool V Everton tomorrow. Even with the staggered kick offs there is still a clash. May as well do 6:30 and 8:30 kick offs.
let's be honest this is probably more of a marketing thing for amazon than anything else. they've already said it will be a loss leader they just want more people to subscribe to prime
#AmazonPrimeVideo is trending right now, it's all over the BBC website, marketing
#AmazonPrimeVideo is trending right now, it's all over the BBC website, marketing
It's an experiment but they already have men's tennis and will also have women's next year.
World domination beckons.
World domination beckons.
I've no way of knowing beforehand (as I don't want to) if a goal has already been scored, so the minute delay is of no relevance to me, but so far so good. The picture quality is superb.
The money they collect from subscriptions alone on a worldwide basis is staggering
yeah but they want ever more. they're a monster whose appetite cannot be satisfied
turns out they can do it on a cold night in burnley
"Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe told Amazon"
This is just Amazon trying to take over the world
This is just Amazon trying to take over the world
Dec 3, 2019 -- 9:40PM, betting_masta wrote:
they're selling convenience
Exactly, convenience that saves you time.
However, in the future, when AI renders us all useless, the way we perceive time will change.
We will rediscover the joy of browsing in real shops, touching real products, taking time to smell the roses.
the world will implode when Ai comes in, people will become ever more frustrated. we need vocations not vacations
AI is already here, it’s ubiquitous, the pace will accelerate beyond belief and a small number of companies will be all powerful. Dangerous times ahead. These companies are more powerful than governments and the governments don’t realise it.
Of course the governments realise it what are you talking about? There are no independent governments they're all puppets of the international bankers and companies
Went a lot better than I expected by all accounts.
Some bloke on talksport was suggesting that the PL should set up a netflix like service and sell the rights themselves. This should have happened years ago. He said that 100m subscribers worldwide paying £9 a month would be £11bn a year. One major thing he forgot to add was advertising revenue on the channel.
But they should go further and set up a TV channel too. BT, Sky and Virgin etc would go out of business overnight if they didn't have this channel on their platforms and they would actually pay the PL to host it rather than the other way around. This would massively reduce the cost to fans while generating way more cash for the PL and would avoid any issues with streaming.
The fact that these companies pay no tax says it all about how powerful they are. They generate more per annum than large countries. They are too big and should all be broken up. No company needs to be that big or that rich. Will never happen though.
Some bloke on talksport was suggesting that the PL should set up a netflix like service and sell the rights themselves. This should have happened years ago. He said that 100m subscribers worldwide paying £9 a month would be £11bn a year. One major thing he forgot to add was advertising revenue on the channel.
But they should go further and set up a TV channel too. BT, Sky and Virgin etc would go out of business overnight if they didn't have this channel on their platforms and they would actually pay the PL to host it rather than the other way around. This would massively reduce the cost to fans while generating way more cash for the PL and would avoid any issues with streaming.
The fact that these companies pay no tax says it all about how powerful they are. They generate more per annum than large countries. They are too big and should all be broken up. No company needs to be that big or that rich. Will never happen though.
Dec 3, 2019 -- 10:35PM, ffaith wrote:
Of course the governments realise it what are you talking about?
"Some bloke on talksport was suggesting that the PL should set up a netflix like service and sell the rights themselves."
That was Simon Jordan ex Crystal Palace chairman
the premier league must have run the numbers and by keeping demand higher than supply they are able to sell their more premium product for effectively £9m per match. interestingly, though, the amount BT and sky paid for football this year was lower than in previous years so perhaps we are seeing the premium-ness decrease which could lead to us seeing a netflix-style subscription for the premier league, which no doubt will be in collaboration with Amazon
That was Simon Jordan ex Crystal Palace chairman
the premier league must have run the numbers and by keeping demand higher than supply they are able to sell their more premium product for effectively £9m per match. interestingly, though, the amount BT and sky paid for football this year was lower than in previous years so perhaps we are seeing the premium-ness decrease which could lead to us seeing a netflix-style subscription for the premier league, which no doubt will be in collaboration with Amazon
https://bit.ly/2RipomQ
this was a good article on the guardian
this was a good article on the guardian
i think the step towards watch-all premier league will happen. it cannot stay the way it is forever. they will probably stagger more and more games as well so only 2 or 3 games kick off at the same time and we'll have saturday and sunday just full of football ,, plus the occasional midweek set of fixtures .. perhaps
They’ll let the fans vote for their favoured kick off times.
Players will have to be on standby for kick off when everyone stumbles home from the pub at 2 in the morning
Players will have to be on standby for kick off when everyone stumbles home from the pub at 2 in the morning
Amazon or Netflix have the infrastructure to deliver it immediately. But they should just set up their own channel and cut them out completely. Sky and BT get all the ad revenue - how much would that be worth worldwide on top of £11bn? Sky and BT are already using broadband subs to pay for their football and they can't go any higher. Amazon could but some people seem to think they are going to charge £7.99 a month which is nonsense.
Cut out the middleman and take all the sub and ad revenue for themselves. They could be as big as Netflix or Amazon and probably charge a bit more per month than them too. They have a product which is more valuable than normal TV so why lump it in with that and have a middleman making billions instead of them? The set up costs would be recovered in the first year.
Cut out the middleman and take all the sub and ad revenue for themselves. They could be as big as Netflix or Amazon and probably charge a bit more per month than them too. They have a product which is more valuable than normal TV so why lump it in with that and have a middleman making billions instead of them? The set up costs would be recovered in the first year.
I don't think it's as easy as it sounds. The FA and clubs would likely have to have to take a big hit financially in the short term. Disney are throwing billions at their own streaming service and it's expected to take 5 years before they make a profit on it.
The model already exists in the US with all their major sports. Hard to know exactly what stops it happening right now, but for one I imagine someone would have to put up an absolute boatload of cash to get the investment started which narrows down the possible providers immediately.
It seems likely we are heading that way anyway. How long it will take is anyone's guess, this is just Amazon dipping their toes, but if they wanted to take on Sky and BT the latter two would be in trouble and the world is clearly moving more and more towards streaming and on demand services. In many ways you have to dip your toes in first also, as you've got to iron out any potential issues before you go in big.
It seems likely we are heading that way anyway. How long it will take is anyone's guess, this is just Amazon dipping their toes, but if they wanted to take on Sky and BT the latter two would be in trouble and the world is clearly moving more and more towards streaming and on demand services. In many ways you have to dip your toes in first also, as you've got to iron out any potential issues before you go in big.
They are massively deluded if they think they can get 100M subscribers paying £9 worldwide.
Sounds like when they say The FA Cup Final has an audience of 2Billion
The reality is there are only about 5M paid subscribers for the PL in the UK at most. Maybe you could add 3 million with the cheaper price. But what would you get from France or Germany,Italy ? I'd guess 500k each would be optimistic. And Western Europe is gonna be more interested in English football than most of the rest of the world (and much richer ). I imagine the audience in those countries will watch English games if it is comes with their own league package but would be reluctant to pay for it additionally, rather like UK fans with La Liga.
You might get 5M total from Japan/Korea/USA. China I don't know, but surely not much more. Then the rest of the world countries either have minimal interest in the sport or are too poor to sign up in big numbers.
So I think 20-25M is the upper limit, and that would not leave them with any more revenue than now would it ?
Sounds like when they say The FA Cup Final has an audience of 2Billion
The reality is there are only about 5M paid subscribers for the PL in the UK at most. Maybe you could add 3 million with the cheaper price. But what would you get from France or Germany,Italy ? I'd guess 500k each would be optimistic. And Western Europe is gonna be more interested in English football than most of the rest of the world (and much richer ). I imagine the audience in those countries will watch English games if it is comes with their own league package but would be reluctant to pay for it additionally, rather like UK fans with La Liga.
You might get 5M total from Japan/Korea/USA. China I don't know, but surely not much more. Then the rest of the world countries either have minimal interest in the sport or are too poor to sign up in big numbers.
So I think 20-25M is the upper limit, and that would not leave them with any more revenue than now would it ?
Yeah maybe 100m is optimistic but the fact is when you have middlemen worldwide paying billions for the rights they are going to be creaming billions in profit on that investment and at that level it makes sense to consider doing it all yourself. Ad revenue must be a massive number too which nobody seems to have factored in. I think the numbers from Europe would be pretty high at a cheaper price. A lot of the leagues in Europe are boring and uncompetitive and Ireland and Scandinavia particularly have always had a massive interest in English football. The vlue of the foreign rights is growing still whereas it has probably reached saturation in the UK.
If the NFL can do it then that is the way to start it off and take it from there over time. But you could still have a tv channel in the UK at least and none of the major platforms could risk not having this channel. It would be a no-brainer for them. They already use football as a means of protecting their business. They couldn't afford not to have it. That would avoid a lot of the problems like buffering, delay and strain on the broadband network in the UK that come with streaming. You could still sell the foreign rights to foreign channels in the same way they currently do for poorer countries or countries with poor broadband.
If the NFL can do it then that is the way to start it off and take it from there over time. But you could still have a tv channel in the UK at least and none of the major platforms could risk not having this channel. It would be a no-brainer for them. They already use football as a means of protecting their business. They couldn't afford not to have it. That would avoid a lot of the problems like buffering, delay and strain on the broadband network in the UK that come with streaming. You could still sell the foreign rights to foreign channels in the same way they currently do for poorer countries or countries with poor broadband.
To be fair, delay aside, I found the picture to be of excellent quality. I had one short delay midway through the first half of the Palace game (I doubt I missed much) and that was it, it was perfect throughout the rest of the evening. For a cost of £6.59pm (average if paid annually), I personally find Amazon Prime value for money and even more so with this new addition.
They are estimated to have paid £90m per year for this package, which is 20 games a season but most of them overlap so you can't watch them all and the ad/sub revenue is limited. It is probably more like 5 or 6 live games in terms of what it's worth as a package. They are not making money on it.
The reality is if they are to take any more of the rights the cost will have to be a lot higher as they will have to make money like the others. I don't get why people are going on about the picture quality either - what do you expect for a paid service? You shouldn't be getting any buffering if you are paying for it. The picture quality is no better than Sky or BT as it can't be. Picture quality is determined by the resolution of your TV/screen primarily. You need a UHD screen to see UHD/4k quality. A HD screen is incapable of showing better than HD quality.
In fairness the NFL model suits them much better because there is nowhere near as much interest in that sport abroad and they find it hard to sell the rights for big money abroad. The times the games are on are not ideal for Europe or Asia either so it is smarter for them to sell to fans individually in terms of foreign revenue.
The reality is if they are to take any more of the rights the cost will have to be a lot higher as they will have to make money like the others. I don't get why people are going on about the picture quality either - what do you expect for a paid service? You shouldn't be getting any buffering if you are paying for it. The picture quality is no better than Sky or BT as it can't be. Picture quality is determined by the resolution of your TV/screen primarily. You need a UHD screen to see UHD/4k quality. A HD screen is incapable of showing better than HD quality.
In fairness the NFL model suits them much better because there is nowhere near as much interest in that sport abroad and they find it hard to sell the rights for big money abroad. The times the games are on are not ideal for Europe or Asia either so it is smarter for them to sell to fans individually in terms of foreign revenue.
All these people going on about lag like it means anything. Seriously, just how tight are your trades?
I'll take a forty-five second lag over dicking about switching from one failing stream to the next, buffering, pop ups, crap quality, minute or longer lag and constant virus attacks.
I'll take a forty-five second lag over dicking about switching from one failing stream to the next, buffering, pop ups, crap quality, minute or longer lag and constant virus attacks.
lurka, I watch Sky, BT and (now) Amazon all online for the footy; I suffer the delay. I can tell you that BT is far behind the quality of Sky; Amazon is on par.
JC... totally agree with your last post, hence why I suffer it.
JC... totally agree with your last post, hence why I suffer it.
this whole thing is just about getting people to sign up for prime. once signed up, you wont be doing much shopping elsewhere.
BT sent me a free 12 months amazon prime voucher, wouldve rather had the £79 tho, a massive delay in 2019 is unacceptable imo
Anyone else having issues accessing the games tonight? Worked fine last night ..
Also worth pointing out that the NFL Game Pass is a relatively small revenue stream.
The NFL makes $4.9 Billion a year from the US TV Networks, about 3 times as much as the PL gets from Sky/BT/Amazon. What they get from game pass is just a bonus.
There is no sport that I'm aware of that makes a fortune selling directly to subscribers worldwide without established media partners.
The NFL makes $4.9 Billion a year from the US TV Networks, about 3 times as much as the PL gets from Sky/BT/Amazon. What they get from game pass is just a bonus.
There is no sport that I'm aware of that makes a fortune selling directly to subscribers worldwide without established media partners.
It's a tough sell to get the public to subscribe to a streaming service that has a single show, just too much dead time when all they can offer is replays of events that you've already seen.
Dec 4, 2019 -- 6:40PM, layingisthewayforward wrote:
Anyone else having issues accessing the games tonight? Worked fine last night ..
I'm having trouble seeing West Ham fans
Just when I thought this service was going to be really good there is a limit of 3 streams on any one PC. So you cant watch all the games. Rubbish!
There is one stream that jumps between the games, will show the goals as they go in
Thar really was shocking keeping wasn't it. Spuds all at sea at the moment
All the billions soent on football, and they can't even design a pitch that's safe if a player slides off the playing surface.
The model already exists in the US with all their major sports. Hard to know exactly what stops it happening right now, but for one I imagine someone would have to put up an absolute boatload of cash to get the investment started which narrows down the possible providers immediately.
It exists in the US because there sports and teams have almost no competition from outside the U.S. All the teams are in the same boat. If EPL revenue streams suddenly drop by 10-20% then that would affect the top EPL teams ability to compete with the other big clubs in Europe who would remain unaffected. Champions League revenues drop as well and they lose their best players to teams abroad and it could be a downward spiral.
It exists in the US because there sports and teams have almost no competition from outside the U.S. All the teams are in the same boat. If EPL revenue streams suddenly drop by 10-20% then that would affect the top EPL teams ability to compete with the other big clubs in Europe who would remain unaffected. Champions League revenues drop as well and they lose their best players to teams abroad and it could be a downward spiral.
How is that not a pen?! I'm surprised they didn't find a way to chalk off the everton goal...
Ally Mccoist told 10 mins ago Cyrstal Palace were the last team to beat Liverpool at Anfield - then asks who were the last team to beat Liverpool at Anfield...
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