More VARCE, this time in SPAL V Fiorentina, 2.5 settled again, goal by SPAL VAR'd, a goal for Fio 2 Mins later.

FIFA have half-arsed its development, rushed out its implementation and then given up on it. It's like the Wild West, every governing body is just running it how they feel like, then the refs and the VAR teams are doing as they please.

i just hate it.. fixing a problem that does not exist and creating more issues.. ruining the game

I may be wrong with the match, but im sure something happenned in andy murrays second wimbledon win,in the final on murrays winning match point the other guy challenged it,totally ruined the moment.

Asparagus, I have already told you that i am working off the video still used by the VAR people. The video is paused at the time the attacker heads the ball. I don't know why you keep on saying I'm not taking into account that he's not offside until the header takes place. I am ignoring everything until the header takes place.

Once again you reference Courtois 'might have got to the header'. It is irrelevant whether he'd have got to it for the umpteenth + 1 time. What is relevant is that he could have made a better challenge for it without tadic standing offside between him and the ball. He could have jumped, got his arms closer to the ball, put the attacker off etc etc. Challenging for the ball is not the same as getting a touch on or playing the ball, that's why they use seperate wording ('to play or to challenge for').

There are literally hundreds of challenges for the ball in every match where a challenge is made and the attacker/defender does not get to the ball. Almost every aerial dual, including the dual between the Ajax attacker and the Real defender in the VAR still, involves a challenge for the ball with one player not getting a touch on it. Tadic's offside position between the keeper and the ball clearly impeded the keeper's ability to challenge for the ball. If the ball were a further 5 yards from goal they may have felt he wasn't close enough to challenge but in this case they did and on a literal interpretation of the rule I think that was the right call.

totally agree Ian,the murray match was the same i think the ball was a good few inches out butbecause the other guy had a challenge he used it,totally unprofessional in my view.

I think you're right, it's going to cost more goals. At the end of the day, VAR is just a way to shape games how the powers that be what them to go. The refs and VAR crews will see what they're told to see and ignore what's 'unhelpful'.

It's clear that it is not about correcting clear and obvious errors as we were told, as refs and VAR crews are just making it up as they go along.

Another shocker for me in the city game.
Game now being reffed in super slow mo. With players expected to have super human reaction times.

Maybe the reporter should have seen this coming -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvtYg36E8I

The genie is out of the bottle now, FIFA are just a complete joke as the administrators

And how can a "clear and obvious error" (which is clearly no longer used) take 3 or 4 minutes take to look at?

Atletico goal VAR.

Real-time - 9/10 goal.
5th angle super slow-mo - 6/10 no goal.

Result GOAL.

Otamendi could see the ball coming all the way and actually stuck his arm out first before pulling it away at the very last second. Clear penalty imo. Guy is an idiot and the second yellow even more stupid seeing as he'd got one already

I had laid Juve tonite..............how can they be favourites to win at Athletico???????so was mortified when their first 'goal' was ruled out.

Justice was done though with 2 wonderful, late and unexpected goals

when they announced VAR for the CL UEFA said they want the ref to check the monitor every time

I didn't realise that.  Even more seconds being wasted then, time which probably won't be added back on.  So, decision made by on-field ref....VAR ref thinks it may be wrong so play stops....everyone stands around and waits....VAR keep playing it back and forth...eventually decide ref needs to look at incident again....ref trots over to pitch side monitor....ref watches it over a few times...ref makes final decision...ref blows whistle and trots back again....game restarts.

Fair enough on your point about putting the attacker off at that stage, I accept that and I shouldn't have said that.

But he *could* have got a hand to the ball (I don't think he would have the way the header went but again that is irrelevant because the attacker could eg have headed it down). You can't have it both ways, you stop everything at the moment the image is paused and just as you can't take into account what went on beforehand, you can't take into account what happened after either ie the flight of the ball from the header and the virtual certainty that Courtois wouldn't have played/touched it. If it is not clear to you that Tadic being offside between the keeper and the ball when the picture is stopped impedes the keeper's ability to make a challenge for (as opposed to touch) the ball, then there is no point in arguing about it and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

asparagus, without doubt otamendis hand ball is a penalty, he actually watches the ball through its flight on to his arm, if he has time to do that he has time to move his arm, he also knows the shot is about to be made and makes himself bigger by holding his arm away from his body (when if he had any sense he'd tuck it in) he knows what he's doing, some would call it clever, of course all the ex pros said it wasnt hand ball they always do, VAR got that right

Did you establish all of above real time? Very much doubt it.
And believe it or not neither did Otamendi in the 0.3s before it hit his hand.

Real time and super slow mo are too different games.....

Neither were pens imho but Guardiola seems happy enough to accept them. Otamendi was clearly attempting to get his arm out the way and the second one Schlake were offside prior to Fernandinho's foul. Plenty more controversial VARs to come.

super hans, yes actually, i made it 1/3 of a second, which is long enough to watch the ball on to his arm and clench his fist, human reaction time is .25 second but of course less here as the player knows the shot is about to be taken, its a pen on 2 counts

his arm is out slightly away from his body and increases his block area by doing so

he doesnt move his arm out of the way given he has time

its instinctive from a very experienced defender, he knows what he's doing, clever with it given so many think he couldnt prevent it hitting his arm (from the point he knew a shot was about to be taken)

he's also got Ederson behind him who may well have made the save so there would be no reason for him to deliberately handball and give away an pen.