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Var ffs
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What they need is a Vulcan neck pinch so they dont wake up until the VAR is over and the games kicked off again!
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Turkey are using it and the Asian cup are using it but strangely only from the quarter finals
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VAR is just a joke, Benfica have just made it 2-2 v Porto but oh no they haven't as VAR has spotted that the Benfica attacker was level with the defender for the goal but from whatever camera angle they had they found about 1% of the attackers body offside, FFS its not perfect the camera angles are never perfect stay with the goal unless its a clear and obvious error or build some tolerance into the system like the umpires call in cricket, FIFA are a joke this whole VAR system needs thrashing out from all the stakeholders in the game and go back to basics as to why we needed to bring in VAR not to rule out goals because of minuscule offsides but to rid the game of howlers.
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Absolutely shocking decision in Asian Cup. Never an obvious error, and must have been 3 minutes later. There was one more entire passage of play and a substitution before it was even looked at. System is just a joke.
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They have opened up a can of worms with this VAR, yesterday they ruled out a Braga goal after backtracking in the lead up to the goal out on the touchline for a minor infringement an aerial challenge that was never a clear and obvious error, what next rule out a goal because VAR spots a foul throw a few moves back before a goal.
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you hit on the problems..there are many indeed
and its worse because we do not know what var can and cannot do. it really needs to be fully codified, and then trialled |
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There's so many grey areas that it's un workable with regards to betting in running, a prime example is in the Fenerbahce game going at the moment. There's just been a VAR review for a possible elbow incident and a sending off. The minute the ref goes over to the side lines to review it on screen THAT GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED pending the outcome, it wasn't and the Fenerbahce player was indeed sent off. So what happens if someone has traded innocently in the 90 seconds between the incident and the sending off? No doubt their trades are voided and re ecaluated in some weird way that only Betfair are aware of.
I'll keep banging the drum, it's a joke and the incompetence of Betfair are making it even worse. |
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*re evaluated
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They will eventually have an 'official VAR partner' and might even sneak an ad break in while a review is on. They can't do any of that without a guaranteed minimum number of VAR reviews in a game. The money men will get their way, it is going nowhere.
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Agree. It's definitely going nowhere. It's football version of Pandora's box
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if var isnt copyrighted wonder how long before a company starts up called 'var '.
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There's been countless Betfair VAR mistakes since the last time I posted, just got tired of pointing them out when you're obviously dealing with the thickest of the thick. Getafe game playing at the moment, goal scored to make it 2-1, reviewed for offside, disallowed, and surprise surprise Backwardfair have settled the 2.5 goal market and paid out!
It beggers belief that a company as large as them can be so inept when the solution is so simple. WAIT TILL THE GAME RESTARTS YOU THIC F UCKING C UNTS. |
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It is unbelievable that Celta's 2nd goal was cancelled for offside as i could not see any part of his body further forward than the last defender and the fact even if his finger nail was offside the overwhelming part of his body easily more than 95% was level and onside,its a disgrace that FIFA are allowing these incidents to continue,surely any benefit of doubt goes to the attacker, we want positive football with goals not chalking them off because less than 1 % of the attackers body is offside and what about the potential errors of imperfect camera angles then margin for error needs to be built in like in LBW at cricket before we start chalking off goals from dubious offsides.
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there is no margin for a goal being scored, its in or not as per the cameras
if cameras can decide offside to same accuracy then there should be no margin if cameras cannot determine offside they should be restricted to decisions where a player is more than say 10cm offside (4 inches) if linos are told to keep flag down, we must expect more var delays for review, so will need more time added on. |
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My annoyance is not with the many grey areas of VAR, I don't like it and never will, it's the way Betfair are dealing with it. As I've said before, people aren't really bothered until something effects them and if Betfair don't come to their senses before VAR comes into the Premier next year and it starts effecting more people having a bet this place will be in meltdown most days.
Am I the only one who's amazed at how stupid they are? |
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betfairs football management has always been a law unto itself
an 8 second delay when pics are 20 secs behind live and then no refunds when folk are hoovered went on for years. they trialled unmanaged games, which seemed to work quite well for lower volume games, but not sure how it copes when their big hitters get skelped ? they spoke to folk to sort out next manager betting...maybe they will see sense and take onboard the views of punters who have experienced the nuances of var to this point? hope so!! |
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I have been on to Betfair about the stupidity of not suspending the markets when it is obvious to everyone including the suspend monkey that a goal decision is going to Var and there is every likelihood it will be cancelled but they are very stubborn and will not listen to my argument that the market on VAR matches should only re open upon the re start of the match so everybody can manage there positions FAIRLY instead of
1. Is it a goal or not a goal ? 2. Will betfair void the relevant bets or not void them ? 3. If Betfair void the bets when will this be done ? immediately, minutes later, after the game or the next day. ( the next day happened with myself once when i complained ) Now under those 3 questions above how can anyone manage there positions with confidence |
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Think one of the main problems is that VAR can go back to a situation minutes before now. There was nearly a goal ruled out in Spain two weeks ago because of a penalty at the other end nearly 2 minutes before. It is a minefield unfortunately for everyone.
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if you see a clear pelanty, not given, and lump on a team....
...play can continue for many minutes if there is not a break in play. would that bet be voided if var returns and awards pelanty ? or only voided dependant on the outcome of the pelanty kick? |
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All the above arguments are fair and valid and show how the many grey areas of VAR in relation to the betting and trading on such games are a nightmare. You could argue that some of the examples are not straightforward to manage from Betfairs point of view in respect of when to suspend and when not to.
My main argument through all this debacle has been THE most simple part of the process to get right is to make sure that markets are not settled in a VAR game until the game restarts. That one is NOT HARD to do and has no ambiguity, yet if these clowns cannot even get that right how can we have faith they'll manage the more complicated issues of VAR fairly and correctly? The simple answer is we can't, we're dealing with people with limited intelligence added to the fact they're safe in the knowledge they're unlikely to lose customers because they've got a virtual monopoly in the exchange market. |
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If Betfair does not suspend a market on time for the occurrence of a Material Event (goal penalty, red card), they reserve the right to void bets unfairly matched after the Material Event has occurred. This applies whether VAR is used or not and is at their discretion.
Where a Material Event is cancelled due to a determination made via a video assistant referee, Betfair will void all bets which are matched between the occurrence of the Material Event and the cancellation of it. This applies to VAR only and they have no discretion unlike the first case. If you see a penalty incident not given and the price of the defending team jumps up you should lump on the defending team at the higher price as if the penalty is given the bet will be voided but if not it will stand and the price will drop dramatically after the VAR is concluded. This falls under the first scenario, so it is not 100% certain they will void but in practice they void in every case in my experience. I don't think that's the case in Australia tho and there may be different rules there. |
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i have seen overs market settled, var rules out goal, market is gone, never to
be seen again.....that cant be the way to go they must know some folk are trading the market and need it to reopen but it looks like they do not |
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My first "run in" with VAR was something similar to this. I was on unders in a game and there was a penalty appeal that was turned down. At this stage I decided to trade out, not because I thought the penalty may be referred and given, just that I was happy with my profit and thought it was a good time to cash out as the game seemed to be opening up. The decision was referred and a penalty given and not only was my trade voided, Betfair re evaluated my trade as though I wanted to after the pen was given and scored.
I started a thread about it and felt I'd been ripped. The game went on for about 60 seconds unsuspended after the incident and another 30 seconds while it was reviewed on screen. I've made a lot of posts but the bottom line is I can't see how VAR is EVER gonna be workable with exchange betting trading. |
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If you see a penalty incident not given and the price of the defending team jumps up you should lump on the defending team at the higher price as if the penalty is given the bet will be voided but if not it will stand and the price will drop dramatically after the VAR is concluded.
Case in point there on Utrecht-PSV. Utrecht hit about 4.0, PSV 100+ (albeit not for much) when prices should have been about 12 and 10 otherwise; and those taking a hunch at outliers would have been voided had the penalty been given. |
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Yes Darlo, the natural reaction is to back/lay, which is what most people do and what drives the price up. But it is idiotic to do it in such cases and there is easy money to be made there by being smart and taking advantage. You could have laid Utrecht at 4 in that case.
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Barca was another last night. They were 10s to lay when they had a 95th penalty claim go to VAR. It probably takes mental balls of steel to go against the grain but it would be hugely fruitful in situations like this because all things being equal you cannot lose.
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under 0.5 market settled in ajax v madrid and goal disallowed. surely betfair cant settle markets until game kicks off again ?
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under 0.5 market settled in ajax v madrid and goal disallowed. surely betfair cant settle markets until game kicks off again ?
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and what happens the person who lays at 1000/1 on 0 0 correct score market ? this is ridiculous. happening a few times a week now
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Forget about getting everything right as that levels out over time.
Football is about goals real time. Not 60 seconds later when VAR confirms it counts  VAR cheer leaders getting what they deserve.... No to mention it killing off in-running betting. |
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I said all VAR would be a disaster and it is. I know goaline works perfectly, but I was against that coming in even when it was discussed 20 odd years ago - why? PANDORA'S BOX...
And here we are... As everyone else has said. SUSPEND WHEN A GOAL APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SCORED UNSUSPEND ONLY WHEN THE GOAL IS CERTAIN. It's a nightmare for IP betting, It's hardly affected me yet, but it will. |
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unless betfair manage it better people will walk away
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just a thought but football,s not about betting its about getting the right decision,s more often
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its like not betting on racing because of stewards enquiries
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The Ajax goal would have counted if scored anytime in the last 100 years.
But now we have VAR it's not a goal. If its not broke don't fix it.... |
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