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I'm beginning to hate it !
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Terrible for in-playing betting / trading. Takes the emotion out of football. Still making mistakes.
Yes, there are pros, but I probably tend to agree with you. |
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will the bets on the draw be voided Darlo?
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they voided everything apart from some random £900 traded
draw 1.01 £906 2.14 £152 2.16 £1,264 |
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Everyone entitled to their opinion, but I hated the idea when it was muted and I hate it even more now I've seen it in action. Mistakes will still be made, it'll just take longer to make them and cause even more angst than if we didn't have it.
Man up and accept that some decisions go for you and some go against you. Whinging f uckin blinkered managers have brought us to this. Scrap it quick style. |
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13 hours on and either BF are mugging us off or deciding to for some reason re-settle the markets. It took them a good half-hour to settle it in the first place. If only they could think of a simple solution, like perhaps suspending and unsuspending markets properly they wouldn't make this mess.
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Punters worse nightmare.
During the World Cup I had a nice bet all I was waiting on was Portugal against Iran... Even Alan Shearer almost swore live on tv disgrace that late penalty. |
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All they have to do on Var leagues is when ball goes in net leave suspended until game kicks off. That 1 last night was a strange though it looked like it hit defender before it hit the player who was offside doesn't that make him onside?
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I can guarantee most will not enjoy Var - seen it on a lot of games and the foreign games on BF tv and oz A league etc - it really is dreadful - some of the confusion is amazing
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Pochettino said after the Chelsea game that he was not in favour he said he watches a lot of la liga games and that it causes lot of problems I am only betting in leagues where var is not in use
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Forget about getting everything right as that levels out over time.
Football is about goals real time. Not 60 seconds later when VAR confirms it counts.....  |
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balls going over the line - excellent
but penalties etc - I really don't know. of course I am coming from a betting angle |
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From a betting angle it's a nightmare agreed, but just in general I can't see how it's going to improve the game one bit. You can't compare football to other sports like cricket and rugby as more of the decisions aren't black and white like the ones reviewed in those sports. How many times have we watched important decisions debated on MOTD on Saturday night and one pundit see's it one way and another see's it totally the other.
We'll still get managers, fans, players complaining even after these decisions are reviewed, the Spurs off-side on-side goal in midweek is a prime example of what we've got to look forward to next season. Keep the goal line technology but scrap this before it ruins the game. |
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Another crazy peno given in the chaves tondela game with time up - ball comes through an opponent in front of him and hits his hand - no chance its given normally - but ref figures what the hell times up and they are 2-0 down so it wont matter
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that one was really good for myself MayoMan. thank you VAR.
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There was another one in the marseilles game tonight.
Goal chalked off after a coming together between a forward and the keeper leading up to a goal. I was thinking to myself before the spurs united game today how many challenges that mike dean let go in the middle of the park would have been led to penalties with VAR. After about 6 mins I lost count. Its where we are in the game right now. You can clean out a player in midfield yet if you feather someone like dele alli or rashford in the area then the numpty VAR supporters will be baying for a pen. People go on about using tv replays in cricket, tennis, rugby but that is for matters of fact. We were using it for matters of fact in football with goal line technology. They dont use VAR for penalties in rugby when dan carter or johnny wilkinson have a pot at goal. Neither should we in association football. |
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It's not required the game is fine without it
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I think var will be a success eventually. For offsides we need more angles so its easier to judge. For handball its not a var problem that there is confusion over the rules and there are proposals to remove the word “deliberate” from the laws to make them clearer.
What I don't understand is the tv monitors - var is supposed to be for clear and obvious errors. If the 3rd referee has to ask the on field ref for a third opinion then it can't be a clear error. It seems that in England we trying are ignore this part of the process which is good. |
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The problem is one persons clear and obvious error is not anothers. As for handball, whilst to some extent you are right that interpretation is the biggest problem the idea of taking the word deliberate away is a disaster. Tricky players like Salah, Sane, Messi on the ball going at defenders and flicking the ball up against their arm resulting in penalties is obviously a ludicrous situation. Games will be decided on who is best at flicking up a ball against a defenders arms.
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Someone on TV said a while ago that "the VAR genie is now out of the bottle". He was spot on and it can't be stopped now. If anything it is likely to be "upgraded" to monitor a lot more than just goals, penalties and red cards. I reckon within 3/4 years, corners and all yellow cards will be subject to VAR. Just look at Rugby League, there is hardly a try scored that is not reviewed from several angles before it is finally awarded. The "TRY"/"NO TRY" confirmation on the scoreboard generates as much excitement from the crowd as the actual try.
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or loike cricket where umpires don't even look for no balls if a wkt falls replays show no balls,in normal play bowlers get a rest , but batting team might miss out on runs extra balls
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Watching some of the European leagues use of VAR its amazing how many goals are chalked off when for example 99% of the striker is onside but some part of his body like his big toe is just offside and VAR overturns the goal, if we follow suit then expect a lot of goals next season being chalked off, clear and obvious error anyone ! i think the powers that be need to start a debate on this.
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TV has ruined the game with money and this is the next phase of it. Making it like a Reality TV show when they announce who is going to be evicted next... excruciating pauses in the game while everyone waits to see what happens next. TV manufactured drama. Can't imagine fans anywhere want this, but the TV guys with their touchscreens are all for it. Rugby and cricket are games with natural pauses in play and the clock is not running either. Football is supposed to be non-stop. It's like an American sport with this nonsense.
The one in Spurs v Chelsea last week was one of the worst yet. Using an angle from a position 15 yards ahead of the play when the linesman was in line and no clear and obvious error. |
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They'll have a sponsor for VAR next and might even be able to fit a quick advert in once it's fully established in the game
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Tonights goal by Derby chalked off classic example,ref and linesman give goal and VAR decide from whatever angle they have that player was offside by millimetres,surely like Hawkeye in cricket there has to be some margin for error built in to the system and if its that close you stay with what the ref gave as its obviously not a clear and obvious error, how to fcuk up the game
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Tonights goal by Derby chalked off classic example,ref and linesman give goal and VAR decide from whatever angle they have that player was offside by millimetres,surely like Hawkeye in cricket there has to be some margin for error built in to the system and if its that close you stay with what the ref gave as its obviously not a clear and obvious error, how to fcuk up the game
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roache you dont know that lino gave goal
it may have been him that requested review but they dont tell us why there is a review its sad that we do not know, and a fault in system |
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I,m from the greyhound forum, I had a few quid on derby h/t f/t. I was under the impression it had to be clear. Imo was about as clear as mud. I think in future wen var is involved i will give it a miss.
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Of course the lino gave a goal, he'd have flagged if he saw the offside. The guys in the VAR room were the ones who spotted it and notified the ref. If you need to freeze the frame and take a few minutes to get something that miniscule then that is simply not a clear and obvious error and not something worthy of stopping the game for 2 or 3 minutes. VAR is not supposed to be used in cases like that.
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For once it worked in my favour Derby goal ruled out. But to be honest I thought goal should have stood.
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It's horrible feeling knowing your bet basically comes down how another person decides via var an outcome.
Awful.. And they don't always get it right either !! |
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I said this from day one. Football is a continuous game of ebb and flow. VAR doesn't belong. Cricket/Rugby etc are stop start so it can be used more successfully. Money has driven football to it's knees; and VAR is holding the sword on the shoulder.
VAR is just another subjective persons opinion half the time. Some of the penalties/handballs given in the World Cup were a complete joke. Goal line technology is instant. Spending 5 minutes reviewing an offside rule or potential penalty etc is a whole new ball game. Completely ruins the game. |
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Var is bad for betting. 4 times in last 24 hours its cost me dear. Goals would have been given otherwise like in the old days. Very frustrating. Even worse when betfair have closed and settled markets and you go back to discover it was disallowed and markets are not reopened in time to get out of market.
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over 1.5 market settled and in account and goal rescinded 5 mins later , no market reopened and no way out now. Fu ck this sh it betfair.
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and fu ck var
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I feel for you bud. People aren't arsed until it effects them but the way Betfair are dealing with these VAR incidents is a million miles away from being fair.
The more people that start getting ripped, the more people will be up in arms about it. Unless Betfair sort it for next season when it comes into the Prem, I can see this place in meltdown most days. My advice would be if you're a trader leave any match that's got VAR until these backward T1ts sort it out. |
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second city goal was a tiny bit offside today (if it was var) - this is what we face - it is not a good idea
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Just happened in the Villareal game, over 2.5 settled, paid then chalked off and taken back. Why cant they just wait FFS.
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Maybe you could do a Vulcan mind meld Spocky with whoever's making the decisions at BF and tell us what's going through his head. I'll have a guess at tumbleweed.
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Anybody know where I can get a list of countries that are currently using car. I assume it is also only the top divisions in these countries as well.
I know Spain,Portugal,France, Germany and Italy use it but am not aware of any others. I am going to avoid betting on matches where var is used. |