I do know we had a deal in principle to buy Rojo from Man U but as they haven't purchased anyone I assume they wouldn't let him go so we got Zouma as a last minute dash.

top6 here we come

Also what is this `Buy back' option for Mina?

So if he does take off and become worth 60 mill we have to sell him back to Barcelona for about 35m?

If he is the standard gash we have done our 28mill.

If the Mina "buy back" terms are as stated below then it is certainly a poor deal for Everton and the person who made the decision must be praying he doesn't turn out to be a flop.

You make a fair point Value Seeker that if he is a great success and then Everton end up making a massive profit from selling him back to Barca.  I was basing my argument on Barca maybe being able to enforce a fee that is way below his true market value.  According to the Spanish newspaper La Marca the buy back would be a fixed fee of £54m. If this is true then I agree, it is a good deal.  I suppose none of us know the exact terms of the deal though.

I totally agree about Jagielka's challenge.  I didn't even think it was a foul. I was surprised Shearer on MOTD agreed with the decision, although that may have been "scripted" to have a mock argument with Ian Wright.

Yes VS that is a very simplistic explanation.

However, I would suggest Silva has studied the teams performances in depth for many months.

It astounds me that he did not insist on day 1 that 3-4 high quality central defenders were needed as a matter of the utmost urgency.
That there was not a single centre half at the club that would get anywhere near the squad of any one of the top 6/7 clubs in England.

Why were we left in a situation were we had Jags (totally shot), Keane (nowhere near top half prem quality) and Holgate (nowhere near Prem quality)
to fight for places on Saturday whilst we made 1 signing and a loan at the last possible second in that position!

Who is to blame? Sila, Brands, Moshiri?

Well if there isnt someone/dozens of people to blame for the utter gash we have produced for the last 30 years then shoot me down with a bazooka!

defending from set pieces is atrocious.
its cost us goals against southampton and bournemouth
hopefully mina and zouma sort this out

top 6 for the boys this yr 

Gomes is true.

We'll get an opportunity to see whether we cope any better without Jags and Keane as they're both out for a few weeks, as is Mina apparently.

It looks like Holgate will get a real chance over the next month or so. He's done OK up to now but we haven't played anyone of quality as yet.

At first glance Digne looked pretty useful but again the caveat is how good the opposition were. IMO Baines will still take some dislodging.

I thought Dowell had an excellent second half after looking out of his depth early on. I'm quite hopeful that he could become a regular, particularly as he seems to fit in with Silva's style.

In my view it's infinitely preferable having mid-table opposition at the start of the season, especially under a new manager, but we won't see a true measure of our progress (or lack of it!)until we have played Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs in the space of 9 games between 27/10 and 22/12.

Whatever happens from now on, it feels like the season is about positives rather than week after week of Allardyce trying to justify the dross we were serving up, with an insistence that it was all about saving us.

Not having to look at his face or listen to his voice any more is so liberating for me, so Lord knows what the players must feel like.

Anything knew feels good, different, better. Be it your bird, job, football manager.

Then after a few weeks ou think. **** its the same old caarp, in fact probably even worse.

No I am not writing him off and I dont want him sacked.

No one on earth, including his own family know if Silva is any good or not.

I would think it is decent odds-on he is not as good a manager as Fat Sam so I am
surprised at the lack of concern at 1 shot on target v Huddersfield.

He also slagged off all the bench this morning. `We didnt have anything on the bench that could change anything'.

Its obviously a current motivational trend of Portueguse managers to make their players feel useless in order for them to play to their best.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Possible points deduction as well?

What price BFS or Pulis in to save us by christmas?

Dreading tomorrow.

It's shaping up to us getting our annual footballing lesson at the Emirates.

This is early days but this result will say an awful lot about our ability and desire. At the moment they both look to be seriously lacking. Mr Silva can't be blamed for former but the desire part is firmly in his court.

Anything less than 100% effort will be scandalous.

COYB

OMFG after hundreds of millions spent we play Arsenal away early season and in the starting eleven we have:-
Keane, Zouma, Kenny, Davies, DCL.

In the history of world sport has there been a bigger balls up by everyone involved in putting this team together.

Dominate but don't score... concede and then fall apart... spend the last 20 mins pumping ball after ball into a crowded penalty area and watch as the opposition handle each and every one of them. But keep doing it.

I thought Mr Silva was some kind of tactical genius?

This is no different than Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce.

At least Sam knew how not to get beat.

It goes on at Everton.... on and on and on. Useless.

Cheers aspro for your comments.

I suppose it's years and years of frustration coming out.

Change the team, change the personnel, change the manager (repeatedly) and it's still the same disappointing result.

Fulham next. With all respect to them, it 'should' be a comfortable home win... watch this space!!!!

Our new captain/centre-mid has his best game away from home in the shirt and we lose 2-0.
That and the continued excellence of Richarlison was only bright spot.

Zouma is hopeless, a pathetic panic last second loan.

DCL may make a living in Div I but I feel for the lad and anyone who pays
money at this level to watch him. He has pace and is a willing runner. Thats were any attributes end.
There are dozens of his type in the Championship and Div I - most who are better.

Walcott was a complete disgrace in the second half. Totally switched off mentally. Refused to track back or even make the most rudimentary attempts at helping his full back.