Celtic's Unbeaten Run last season means nothing

Man City's mega-rich owners are like.... EHH ??     

Cundy is right

the SPFL is a pub league

Motherwell, Patrick, hamilton, Inverness, ross county, kilmarnock, etc all sign english conference players.

time for celtic and rangers to move down south, join the conference North and work their way up.

I wonder how many decades it would take this Sevco team to reach League 2

rangers can not beat the forth best team in that soccer powerhouse called Luxembourg.good enough for the conference?

i did suggest conference north!

too much travel

He is right though. Outside Celtic the SPL is utterly dire as shown by the fact that the rest of their teams pretty much lose their first European tie every year. Not even like they lose to great opposition is it. Rangers to a team from Luxembourg, St. Johnstone going to out to a team from Lithuania, and not even the best teams from those countries. Bearing in mind those leagues are rated 48th and 51st out of 55 leagues in Europe.

n88..4th best team in Luxembourg..did not realise they had 4.

Outside the complete minnows like San Marino and Andorra, they are pretty much losing to teams from the next worst leagues. The rest of the Scottish league outside Celtic probably isn't any better than the Luxembourg league. Aberdeen only beat a team from Luxembourg 3-2 on aggregate last year, losing away to them.

fair point..but we won 3-1 in leg 1 and battered them in leg 2..and went through

Yep, I forgot you get bonus points for winning 8-0 on aggregate.

It's a peanuts and monkeys situation, there's no money in the game in Scotland - except at Celtic Park and "interest-free loans" at Snake Mountain. That's why most of the Premiership are shopping in the loans and bargain buckets.

Having to start the Euro campaigns when ****g Wimbledon is still on doesn't help. I think St Johnstone had a summer break of 16 days. If Sevco played Progres in December, it would be very different. Thankfully, they didn't


I don't generally disagree with what Jason Cundy says btw, but it's far more complicated than blah blah blah pub league blah blah. He's just looking to be talked about saying it like that. Which is his job.

Pedro banned green boots is this true

st johnstones result tonight confirms CUNDY WAS RIGHT

Just seen this..
Celtic success like many in europe is a by-product of uefa's champions league.
Win the league, get into the group stages, get millions and buy up all the best players in your own native land.
It kills competition.
Thus Bayern win the bundesliga every year, Juve serie a, psg dominate ligue 1 and its always going to be one of real or barca en espana
Anytime you see a team going unbeaten throughout a league season it ought to raise alarm bells.
Arsenal in 2004 was no better.
Wenger had a team of world class internationals beating up on teams packed full of bang average british players.
As for scotland,
My solution would be for celtic and indeed Rangers when they get their act together to join the EPL.
Move the scottish season to march-november so we get some football to watch during the summer months. TV deal would increase if they could get the weekend slots all to themselves.

Remember when Manchester United could
buy up all the best players in England
Yorke/Cole/Keane and even the likes of
Sheringham and Carrick.These days they
would have competition.

tbf all credit to Celtic.

The only teams to beat them in competitive games were Barcelona, Borussia Moenchen German Team and LINCOLN RED IMPS from Gibraltar!!!!

Will they get past Rosenborg ?

Not worried about Rosenborg,  Only concern is who we draw in the final qualifier. Need a bit of luck there.

Rosenborg FFS

It must be really demoralising for celtic to play in these little pishy games, whilst the bigger clubs are raking it in with the big money tours in the far east

is farcical really that celtic have to play 3 qualifying rounds. dragged down by the failures of the other scottish clubs

maybe if you make the group stages the previous season you should get automatic entry to the last qualifying round

Not only Scotland having that though, and Celtic haven't even made it out of qualifying every year in recent times. Plenty of stronger nations already in qualifying action. Every nation with only 1 team in the CL has to play 3 qualifying rounds.

lots of them are absolute no hopers though

far too many teams qualify for european comps in general. even the worse ranked countries get 2 places in the europa league and the middle ranking countries like scotland get 3 places. both 1 place too many in my opinion. just creates endless qualifying rounds clogging up the summer months

Anybody have a list of potential opponents in the final qualifier ?

provisionally the 5 highest ranked non seeded teams in the last qualifying round (celtic will be seeded) are bate borisov, legia warsaw, apoel nicosia, maribor and qarabag

So, can't get Liverpool etc ?

no, 2 different sections of the qualifiers - champions only involving celtic obviously and another draw for teams finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th

platini's idea to make it easier for champions of lesser ranking nations to get into the groups

wish he'd done that a few years, instead we had to play the likes of Arsenal

They've got no one but themselves to blame...

'I know lets kickout our main old firm rivals'

Voted to boot rangers out of the spl a couple of seasons ago...thus weakening their league, making it easier to win ten in row....This is the legacy of that sneaky decision.

No worries TBB ................

They've got no one but themselves to blame...

'I know lets kickout our main old firm rivals'

Voted to boot rangers out of the spl a couple of seasons ago...thus weakening their league, making it easier to win ten in row....This is the legacy of that sneaky decision

The old Rangers were never kicked out of any league but why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

The old Glasgow Rangers withdrew their membership of the SPL on entering liquidation. Fact.
The New Rangers that was launched by Charles Green was prevented from entering the SPL and were rightly placed in  the bottom tier of Scottish football as they were a new club.
Administration and subsequent liquidation were consequences of years of poor governance which included tax avoidance schemes which we all now know were illegal and that the old club was the biggest cheats in British sporting  history.
The stripping of titles will now follow in due course.
The BetterBettor seems to be swallowing the propaganda emanating from ibrox and like a lot supporters/sympathisers are living in LaLa Land.

well sayed piman

Oh where to start.
That's riddled with inaccuracies tpi.
But I will concentrate on two things you wrote that are easily disproved.

1 which we all now know were illegal If that was the case why weren't Rangers facing a criminal case rather than a civil action?

2 The stripping of titles will now follow in due course Conceded today despite earlier claims that no further moves will be made in respect of Rangers titles.
   That from the SPFL who, like the SFA, have taken legal advice and been told that Rangers have no case to answer.

Have you squared up the face painter and local newsagent yet?

Celtic voted no to Rangers' SPL bid to 'protect the integrity' of Scottish football

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168868/Celtic-voted-Rangers-SPL-bid-protect-integrity-Scottish-football.html#ixzz4np8JG3fy


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Who cares, win as many games or 'titles in row' as you want..UEFA will soon wise up and smell the coffee

It will lead you up to one thing & one thing  only...  becoming a permanent participant of the Europa league FOREVER.


ENJOY YOUR FARCE....with Rosenborg

Won't be nearly as funny as Rangers' 'participation' in this years Europa League.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned on the thread, what price Celtic remain unbeaten again this upcoming season in the Scottish Premiership? does 16/1 sound about right?.

Voting no is a big difference from kicking out. You can not be kicked out of anywhere if you were not in first     as was the case with The Rangers International Football Club (TRIFC) Formerly SEVCO 5088 a new club launched by Charles Green in place of the late Glasgow Rangers and tried to bulldoze his way straight into the SPL Premier Division but like all newly formed football clubs had to enter in the lowest tier in the  Scottish league.

I do hope that you find this information useful as you seem to be badly misinformed as to what actually happened to the old Rangers and the emergence of (TRIFC).


As for Glasgow Celtic playing Rosenborg tomorrow night in the third qualifying round of the Champions League they will represent their league with pride     unlike your old rangers   the biggest cheats in British sporting history   lying dead in the gutter    and you totally seething. Absolutely brilliant.

Went bust over spending money they didn't have even though they ran an illegal tax scheme to fund additional spending and they have the temerity to suggest they were kicked out.

Not worried about Rosenborg,  Only concern is who we draw in the final qualifier. Need a bit of luck there.


Celtic were knocked out to Maribor not so long ago, Rosenborg is no gimme.

The not so shrewd Shrewd talking nonsense.
Firstly the money spent was investment from SDM and secondly EBTs are perfectly legal but the taxman felt Rangers one broke their rules.
In fact there is still divided opinion hence the different outcomes of the various tax cases.
But anyways Rangers remain the most successful club side in the world which I know sticks in the haters throats.
WATP

Firstly the money spent was investment from SDM and secondly EBTs are perfectly legal but the taxman felt Rangers one broke their rules.
In fact there is still divided opinion hence the different outcomes of the various tax cases.

Investment from SDM? Why the need to sell to Craig Whyte then if it was his money he was investing? It wasn't it was Lloyds and it was the only way you could pay Lloyds back.  Yes, EBT's are legal, the illegal scheme your club used wasn't, that's why they owed tens of millions to the taxman but went bust to wipe the slate clean.

Lloyds supplied an overdraft just like other banks do.
I think the figure we owed them was £18m when SDM invested at least 4 times that amount.
(Remember he underwrote the shares issue to the tune of £50m+)
Again you use the term illegal despite no criminal case. How do you explain that?

So why did your club go bust and why did you allow it to then? I've heard before that it was Lloyds fault (can't be if it was all SDM's own money), I've heard it was nothing to do with SDM (must be if he sold it to Whyte when their was no debt), I've heard it's all Craig Whyte's fault and he was a criminal (can't be if you were balls deep in debt already to the taxman and he has been found not guilty at court) and I've heard it was HMRC's fault (can't be if they were chasing money you owed to them from an illegal tax scheme). 

The word illegal does not solely mean something is a criminal act.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/illegal

Contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law. Therefore an act which is contrary to the laws of tax and revenue is illegal.

Shrewd I aint going to respond to that post other than in general.
Here are the facts.
Rangers didn't act illegally in fact at all times they acted within the law as accepted by the tax and football authorities.
Rangers didn't cheat anyone as accepted by UEFA, SPFL and the SFA. The last 2 sought legal advice and this was confirmed.
Similarly the LNS report came to that conclusion. Rangers would still have bought these players albeit they would have cost more.
So in summary everybody, well everybody that counts, have cleared Rangers.
Now I understand that that sticks in some peeps throats but they'll just have to live with that.

Where's Craig Whyte now ?

Doing missionary work in Monaco last I heard.
Pops up from time to time because of various court cases.
I personally think he was a mere patsy in all this, the thin end of the wedge as it were.

I don't think I'd employ him as my financial adviser though.

yeah and you are still a LIAR.

I'm not surprised you aren't going to answer because you have got no one left to blame unfortunately apart from the other football clubs for not bending over backwards and letting the reincarnation of a bust club back in to the top league.

Rangers didn't act illegally in fact at all times they acted within the law as accepted by the tax and football authorities.


The Supreme Court found you acted illegally by employing an illegal tax scheme. You avoided paying tax through a tax scheme you used. HMRC said you owe us X amount of tax because the scheme was illegal, you got numerous penalties from HMRC for failing to pay. You were taken to court (admittedly you were bust by then due to other debts) and found to have carried out an illegal (i.e contrary to law)  tax scheme by the Supreme Court.

Your other sentences refer to cheating. That's a different matter and one I never mentioned. I posted initially about you and others having the temerity to whine about getting "thrown out" the league when you went bankrupt owing tens of millions of pounds. It seems you now either accept that or are trying to conflate the issue by talking about cheating because it's something you feel you have to deny at any given opportunity. If I was a Rangers fan I would to.

ooops sorry sammy I think we know who the liar is on this thread.

Shrewd you can go round in circles all you like and bring in things at random but the fact is Rangers have been cleared of any illegal activity and of cheating.
The proof of this can be found through the statements and reports from the Law Lords, the LNS investigation, the Tax Tribunals, UEFA, the SPFL and the SFA.
Time to move on as I don't think there is anywhere else to go other than maybe drafting a letter in Cantonese and publishing it in some obscure Mexican newspaper.

Aka I'm not going round in any circles this is what I said

Went bust over spending money they didn't have even though they ran an illegal tax scheme to fund additional spending and they have the temerity to suggest they were kicked out. Cry

If you want to point out how your club didn't go bust owing millions of pounds which they couldn't pay or that they didn't run an illegal tax scheme (and I'm referring to the actual definition of illegal not your made up one) which they owed further millions of pounds on then please do. That's how you lost your licence and fans like you and the great blue pound couldn't save you. Don't blame other teams because your team **** it up and the fans of the most "successful team in the world" were either AWOL when it mattered or were too busy writing a book on who to boycott and organising protests instead of reaching in to their pockets to save their club.

You're obviously hurting Shrewd.

I'm not even surprised anymore that you posted that. When questions get asked either change the subject and eventually when it gets too much say they are hurting. If that doesn't work imply that they are a bigot or a bit Celtic fan. Or even better post something about Celtic and pretend everybody else doesn't see whataboutery for what it is.

I'm not hurting. My club didn't die. I don't have to question myself why I didn't do anything in their death throes. I don't have to look in to the eyes of younger fans and explains to them why my club died on my watch. I don't have to come out with nonsense attempts at refutation then say "they must be hurting"  with a fist pump to cover up why I can't provide any answers.  You do though.

Didn't expect that.

As for Glasgow Celtic playing Rosenborg tomorrow night in the third qualifying round of the Champions League they will represent their league with pride..

Yep, playing Champions league football at the start of the summer school holidays...

Im sure they didn't consider that when they voted 'no', 'kick', 'bootout' or whatever you want to call it to end up playing the likes of total network solutions

If they could turn back time...I would suspect they would come to a different conclusion.

4th best team in luxembourg...too good for your buncha plums.

Im sure they didn't consider that when they voted 'no', 'kick', 'bootout' or whatever you want to call it to end up playing the likes of total network solutions Laugh

Because Rangers really boosted the co efficients by gaining the minimum of 0.25 co-efficient points for getting pumped out in the first round this year?

Yes playing champions league qualifiers in the middle of summer they may be     the price of SDMS reckless spending (and cheating of every football club in Scotland) going bust with debts of 130   140 million and subsequent  liquidation of the old rangers football club is the reason that Celtic are playing Champions league in the middle of summer.
Mr Murrays utter selfishness in pursuit of glory. Nearly totally destroyed Scottish football.
And that my friend is the main reason.

How did yer predictions work out thepiman?

What predictions     If you are referring to todays statement by the SPFL   It was as anticipated.
Anyone that thinks that this is the end of the EBT scandal are very naïve or have an IQ less than 100 or zipped up the back      or as in anyone that supports any football clubs that played at ibrox all of the aforementioned.

Do enjoy your day   you have my sympathy.

How much has RES12 cost you so far?
What is it they say about a fool and his money?

Fans talking about a boycott. Suits us, we can fill Ibrox every week without visiting supporters.
Anyways good luck in yer quest but even UEFA are refusing to talk to you now and merely assign yer letters to the crank box.

Nothing to do with RES 12 pal.
At least they were proven right    as in the recent court case it was revealed that the small tax bill was due and crystallized by Jan 2011.

And what good will it do you filling ibrox every other week      watching pish   while your new club goes down the tubes.

At least they were proven right    as in the recent court case it was revealed that the small tax bill was due and crystallized by Jan 2011.

Was immaterial as it only became an issue long after that. UEFA spelt that out clearly to the RES12 mob.
BTW yer team is playing in a CL qualifier tonight and all you want to talk about is Rangers.
That's true obsession.

Is this you?

Not worried about Rosenborg,  Only concern is who we draw in the final qualifier. Need a bit of luck there.



You must be worried now Platini 0-0 and an away trip to Roseborg after failing to score at home at the cauldron

More disappointed than worried, SH.  I actually backed 2-1 Celtic correct score, so expected a tight game. A draw is always a bad result at home but a clean sheet still gives us a great chance.
Didn't watch the game but listened on the radio and it sounds like they were lucky to get away with a 0-0
And that is why I'm still not very worried - a decent side would have scored with those chances Rosenborg had. But they didn't. Because they are a muggy side.
I don't know what BR has up his sleeve for the away leg, but it surely won't be Tom Rogic playing lone striker

They banned their own fans in fear of getting further sanctions from uefa...



SAD TIMES