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cool_hand_luke 11 Jul 16 20:57
He does well with the so called small clubs, however he has failed at the bigger ones...Newcastle and West Ham fans will tell you he is shiiit, he may suit Scotland, Northern Ireland or Malta but England, be serious. I am a lifelong West Ham fan and appreciate the fact Sam took us from the championship to premiership stability. Some West Ham fans may think that was not good enough but the truth is they never wanted him in the first place. If you like your football to be played backwards, sideways and in pretty little circles then you won't want Sam. |
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did you think west ham improved under bilic, or would you prefer sam back ?
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There is no comparison between the squad inherited by Allardyce and the one by Bilic.
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not really answering the question, but reluctance to do so says it all really
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Players such as Payet, Lanzini and Ogbonna were not available to Allardyce. Unless of course you think they made no difference.
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err, he was being touted to newcastle, we signed cabella instead, when sam was at west ham
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^payet
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Oh I see now, a Newcastle supporter. Says it all really.
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Instead of posting emoticons perhaps you might try to answer the question as to whether the 3 players mentioned made no difference to West Ham's team last season.
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why not answer my question first ?
oh no, you want to post abuse, well done, |
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NOT Fat Sam PLEASE... FFS
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OK, let's just stop and think what might have been different if Sam had managed England in the Championship just passed.
Firstly, no way he picks anyone who's not fit, so that's two, perhaps three, places available and three players who eventually contributed nothing to the campaign removed from contention. If the stereotype is to be believed, then we would almost certainly have taken Andy Carroll. Even people who would balk at such a selection would have to concede that Carroll might have been a better option off the bench against Iceland than those who did come on. There would have been a plan, rather than a glaring absence of a plan. And each player in the team would have known to the minutest degree what he was doing there, and what his job was. I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea, I don't like the bloke very much myself, but he knows what he's doing. By my reckoning, that immediately makes him better than any England manager since Glenn Hoddle. We need to have a clear understanding of where we are as a Football nation. We are a basket case. We are further away from being competitive in Major Championships than we have ever been. This is not about getting someone in to tinker at the edges of a decent side, this is about dragging us out of the gutter of the International game. It can only be Sam. |
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NO NO NO....PLEASE NO
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What I've seen of Big Sam sides, it'll revert England to football from the dark ages. Throwing it into the mixer for the big no9 to get on the end of, an emphasis on physicality, no finesse, no possession football, parking the bus. ffs, does anyone really want that as the future of the England team?
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No, let's carry on as we are.
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You need to look at how Allardyce played last season, as morpteh mackem, who attends matches at the SoL, told you earlier.
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Trilby, Martin Keown has ruled himself out.
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He should change his name to Sam Allardici and pretend he's Italian then everyone would love him.
Failing big Sam what about David Beckham as England manager? |
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we need a manager who will manage the players and not be managed by the players
its a tough ask with the egos about, and the press massaged by agents and players too maybe we just need to go out and find the best manager without the silly constraints of being engerlish or being mates with tom dick and harry |
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'Fat sam improves bad teams'
How different was the West Ham team that Billic got challenging for Europe from the 1 Fat Sam managed to do his usual trick of just not being relegated the season before? Genuine question, was it vastly different or did Billic improve them? |
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Such a nebulous idea, did he improve them? Of course he did, the table doesn't lie. The groundowrk Allrdyce had done - such as buying Cresswell for £3.75m - enabled Bilic when he came in to improve the forward players because Sam had done his job so well establishing and organising a Premiership-quality defence. And let's also understand that the club's ambitions have changed in the last couple of seasons - they have been gifted a stadium and the TV money has gone through the roof.
FWIW, they had to get rid of Allardyce - the fans never liked him and were only prepared to tolerate him because he was doing such a good job, as soon as the improvement plateaued they were after him. And the bare facts make it look a good call. But West ham fans who know their football are aware of what a great job Allardyce did. |
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The difference between West Ham this season to the season before last was Dimitri Payet, not Slaven Bilic imo, although I think Slaven is an excellent manager.
The league table does lie fwiw. |
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Lanzini, Antonio (NAP) Not just Payet mate.
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I believe the three teams with the most injuries last season were Man Utd, Man City and Liverpool. Leicester had by far the least. The season before I believe it was Chelsea.
Ranieri was in charge of Greece before Leicester... 0-1h vs Romania 0-2h v Northern Ireland 0-1h v Faroe Islands. Now he's a legend. "I made a mistake when I was manager of Greece. I wanted to look because it is a different job at a club to a national team. I had four matches and for each game I trained the players for just three days. That is 12 days of training. What can I do in just 12 days? I had to rebuild a national team in just 12 days. What could I do? I am not a magician" |
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If the FA want to be bold it has to be Klinsi (imagine what he could do with all that young talent). If the FA want to avoid humiliation against the likes of Iceland it has to be Big Sam.
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Klinsmann - smoke and mirrors. Rodgers with a Beetle.
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a friend of my dad's works at St. George's Park, and he says Gus Hiddink was there last week.
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I've been looking at his wiki page and statto...
3 promotion, Notts County, Bolton and West Ham. Saved Sunderland from relegation, got Bolton into Europe through the league. Did well at Blackpool and arguably Blackburn (they got relegated the season after he left) He spent 5 months at Newcastle and left them in 11th place (the season after they were relegated). In 22 years in management he hasn't had a bad season. There won't be another English manager with a record as long and as consistent as that. Klinsmann otoh was a relative failure at Bayern, and led the USA to arguably their worst performances ever in last year's Concacaf Gold Cup. His management of the German team was only ok, and his management of the USA the same. Why the fook would you want Klinsmann other than the name? Name makes no difference in International footie because you've all got to make do with the players available. |
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Where does the notion that West Ham were inevitably going to improve due to signing the players they signed last year come from ?
Not how everyone saw it then. The standard line - from pro Sam pundits - last August was 'It is crucial West Ham are still in the Premier League when they move stadiums, Big Sam would have guaranteed that but they think the grass is greener and have taken a huge punt on Bilic. They should remember what happened to Newcastle and Blackburn after they sacked Sam' |
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That was a valid viewpoint at the time tbf - it was a risk. But there was always the fallback for Gold and Sullivan that the fans had been calling for his head anyway, not like they sacked a geezer who the fans worshipped.
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It should go without saying that international football is very different to club football. To me, it makes no sense to appoint an international manager who has no experience of international football (and especially tournament football) as a player, assistant or manager. Also I don't think management records at club level are all that relevant
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West Ham without Payet last season W1 D5 L2
I agree that being an international manager is different and an unknown, but you'd never get any new International managers if you just picked from those with experience. With every previous England manager alive being labelled a failure that's not going to be an Englishman. That is like throwing the towel in as a footballing nation if you only pick from foreign coaches. It's also worth pointing out that being labelled a successful international manager is much more down to luck than being a successful club manager. So those that are perceived successful, are often likely to just have been lucky. |
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klinsman did well at germany because he employed low
why not just sign low for engerland if we want to go down that route ? we need to produce engerland teams to play well in cup comps not over a 38 game season, its different |
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England need to qualify first
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Germany have on average the best players and greatest strength in depth in world football imo. That helps a lot!
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Can't agree with notion Klinsmann hasn't done well with the USA. They just made Copa Centenario sfs, and they were excellent at the last WC. He had limited talent at his disposal too but got the absolute utmost out of them, and they were set up on the pitch superbly.
Germany at the 2006 WC were also excellent and played some great football. Absurd to say that success was down to Lowe when Klinsmann was the coach of that side. I'd rather have someone like Klinsmann with a proven international track record than someone like Allardyce who does not. |
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its still a series of one off games, not a huge league,
and probably only one team in our mini league at our standard or better we cant go play for draws and hope that the odd win puts us comfortably mid table |