***GERMANY V ARGENTINA - WORLD CUP FINAL 2014 ***

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Gesuss, you must have missed this...mesmerised 09 Jul 14 14:14 Joined: 10 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 11,224 | Blogger: mesmerised's blog
Back huge Under 2.5 and Argentina to Qualify, it's my nap of the tournament  so far.

Are we meant to be impressed by the lottery comp, guessing how may red cards there will be 64 matches or how 0-0's in 48 group games is a guessers game.

Read my lips, there is no chance Argentina could ever beat Germany, they are truly the poorest team I've ever seen reach a world cup final, Iran, Nigeria, Bosnia, Switzerland, a poor belgium and beating Holland on pens, they haven't ripped up any trees even against piss poor opposition.

johnni and mugmerised putting up the germans. just need mary chain and tree to do the same and I am gonna back argentina

Read my lips, there is no chance Argentina could ever beat Germany

not sure we even need tree after this

If Di Maria does play, how fit will he really be? and Aguero.. he might as well not be playing altogether.

i'm on Germany 4 the o/r but i wouldn't say i'm over confident
think the result the other night was a one off freakish type of scenario which flattered them somewhat & everything went their way
they will be v hard 2 beat if they take the lead but conversely if they fall behind we'll see what they're made of
the argies won't be any pushover that's 4 sure
just have a feeling they might nick it
strange event 2 date,really...other than one standout performance all the top teams havebeen underwhelming tbh
jetzt geht's los die mannschaft

stimmt

40 years after the first World cup was played for Brazil won & got to keep the trophy.
Its now 40 years since the second world cup was first played for & the argies are going for their third win, do they get to keep the trophy ?

Tango football to prevail.

The battle of the dances will be decided on Sunday.

The Schuhplattler beat the Samba and the Tango beat the Clog - The Morris had to leave early.

Not only that but spookily the Betfair forum has the Argentinian colours.

Conclusion:  Surebet.

mueller will be swinging his arms and slapping his thighs at least twice on sunday....

tbf i am pretty sure messi isn't 100% - he certainly wasn't moving very well the other day against holland


i quite fancied germany but they are all kinds of f* c k ed if mugmerised is tipping them - whole bank on the argies it is then

"The German's wont get the freedom that Brazil gave them."

germany will never get that much freedom again ever, even if they play a pub team.

Argentina are going to the World Cup in Brazil for the first time looking to correct a big mistake that led to years of national grief after their withdrawal from the 1950 tournament in conflict with the Brazilian Football Confederation.

The most successful of South America’s nations in the 1940s, a golden age in Argentine football, they decided against sending a team to defend their Copa America title in Brazil in 1949 and Brazil took offence.

The reason behind this shock decision was a mass exodus of their most talented players, including Alfredo Di Stefano, to the Colombian league outlawed by FIFA during a pay strike by professional players in Argentina in 1948.

“Di Stefano, Pipo Rossi, (Adolfo) Pedernera left. It showed a lot that they were missing,” said former River Plate and Argentina goalkeeper Amadeo Carrizo, who will be 88 on June 12 when the 2014 finals kick off.

“Rossi was the midfield general and Di Stefano was in his moment of glory,” Carrizo told Reuters in an interview speaking of team mates with whom he played a part in the great River Plate side of the era known as La Maquina (engine).

“Destiny would have it that (doors) were opened for him in another country. It favoured him to go to Real Madrid and enjoy great triumphs,” added Carrizo, speaking of Di Stefano, who is also still alive today.

Brazil were miffed by the perceived Argentine snub and did not support their neighbours’ bid to bring the World Cup back to the region after the Switzerland finals in 1954, which Argentina also decided to boycott.

The player who most suffered the consequences of this wrong political turn in Argentine football was Carrizo, who was given a torrid time by fans in Buenos Aires when the team returned from the 1958 finals in Sweden, their first in 20 years, where they were eliminated after conceding 10 goals in three group matches.

    "We suffered a lot with (what happened) in Sweden and I was the one on the end of the goal glut,” said Carrizo, voted the best goalkeeper in South America in the 20th century by FIFA’s statistics arm IFFHS.


“SWEDISH DISASTER”

Carrizo received the accolade despite the so-called “Disaster of Sweden” in which Argentina lost 3-1 to holders West Germany, beat Northern Ireland 3-1 and were crushed 6-1 by Czechoslovakia, their worst ever World Cup result.

    "After the (Czechoslovakia) match we shut ourselves up in our hotel and didn’t want to go out, no-one forgets something like that. Sometimes they show images of that World Cup on television but I don’t even want to see them and change channel," Carrizo said.

    "In that World Cup we won only one match, against (Northern) Ireland 3-1, the football played by Czechoslovakia and Germany was at a peak and we had to face them. Ireland also played well, so they were three strong teams.”

A pioneer goalkeeper who broke the boundaries of his penalty area as an extra defender and to help launch attacks, Carrizo was an inspiration for the likes of compatriot Hugo Gatti and Colombia’s Rene Higuita.

But such a goalkeeper was more exposed by teams bent on attack. Argentina also discovered they had fallen behind in speed to the more athletic and organised Europeans.

“There was the (World) War at that time, there were no meetings with other (European) teams, Argentina didn’t even play and we suffered the consequences,” he said in a bar in his attractive home neighbourhood of Villa Devoto in the capital.

“We didn’t know what was happening in Europe and football was at its peak, in England, Germany, France there was already spectacular progress with great players and we went there and they overran us.”

Argentina’s victory in the Copa America in Peru in 1957, in which they crushed the Brazil side that would be crowned world champions a year later 3-0, further helped blind them to the progress of the game in Europe.

The inside trio of Humberto Maschio, Antonio Angelillo and Omar Sivori, European Footballer of the Year a few years later, from that Argentina side were all transferred to Italian clubs and were lost to the Argentine team for good.

Unlike Argentina players today, they were not called back home for 1958 World Cup finals and ended up playing for Italy just as Di Stefano did for Spain.


LONG RECOVERY

Argentina lost their way and it took them 20 years to recover from the “Sweden Disaster” with their first World Cup victory in 1978.

They were plunged into an era of negative and occasionally violent football as they tried to catch up with Europe in terms of tactics and physical strength and abandoned their traditional attacking instincts and skills.

Carrizo and the 1958 squad were given a nasty reception on their return from Sweden by fans who, led to believe that the world’s best football was being played in Argentina in the 1940s and 1950s, expected no less than the trophy.

He said he turned down the chance to go to the next World Cup finals in Chile in 1962 because “I suffered a lot, nasty things were said to me, my house was daubed with paint, my car almost destroyed.

“People were especially angry with me because I was a showoff but that was a style (of play) that worked well for me, otherwise River would have kicked me out.”

Carrizo won back Argentina fans’ esteem in the Nations Cup in Brazil in 1964, a four-team tournament in which Argentina won all their matches against the hosts, England and Portugal without conceding a goal and with his penalty save from Gerson in the 3-0 win over Pele’s Brazil.

A nice and essentially optimistic man who is modest despite his admission he was a showoff on the pitch, Carrizo was recently made honorary president of River Plate.

If Brazil thought the country's World Cup wounds could not go any deeper, that the sense of national despair could not become more acute, the cheers echoing around the concourses of Arena de Sao Paulo sounded a warning that the worst may be yet to come.

As the rain finally ceased and Argentina won their World Cup semi-final against the Netherlands on penalties, the celebrations were in full swing with sights fully set on Sunday's meeting with Germany.

The South American side's fans repeatedly counted in increasingly deafening volume to seven - the number now synonymous with Brazil's humiliation after their worst ever defeat in that 7-1 loss to Germany in Belo Horizonte.

Hastily assembled banners repeating the insult were in evidence in Argentina's section of support in Sao Paulo on Wednesday. They do not intend to let their fiercest rivals forget that day in a hurry - and winning the World Cup at the Maracana would only serve as another painful reminder for the hosts.

There was no mistaking the added pleasure the prospect of their captain Lionel Messi lifting the World Cup in Brazil's own iconic arena would give Argentina. It would be a show of sporting strength on enemy territory that would sustain them for generations.

And for the Barcelona forward and Argentine talisman to lead his country to their first World Cup triumph since the 1986 win in Mexico's Aztec Stadium against West Germany would also be heavy with symbolism given the tribal rivalry with Brazil's own favoured son Neymar.

Neither set of supporters would ever forget the image of Messi taking possession of the World Cup in an arena rich in the history of Brazil's own number 10s such as Pele, Zico and latterly Neymar. It would be as close to perfection as was winning it in their own River Plate Stadium against the Dutch in 1978.

Miguel Angel Vicente, from Buenos Aires-based newspaper Diario Clarin, told BBC Sport: "Of course it is a special feeling to win the World Cup - but to come to a rival like Brazil and win in their country would be extra special

and Ze Germans for me, but I've laid Argentina. I could see it being 1-0 in extra time, but I do think Ze Germans will win. if it goes to penalties you could put your lay winnings on Germany which would be 1.90 or so. I think laying Argentina is actually decent odds.

Argentine history all very well, but just look at this present side, who have somehow reached the final in spite of themselves..the comp has been made up of poor quality teams, should argentina manage to overcome germany, and i doubt they will, they will go down in history - along with engand 1966 team, of being one of the worst of all the winners

Reading about Argentina's history and the fact they stuffed Brazil 3-0 in the 1957 Copa America only to see so many of their players go overseas and not be recalled for the 1958 World Cup but play for the countries they went to and then see Brazil win the 1958 World Cup must have been gut wrenching knowing what a great side they had but lost due to the different FIFA rules in those days. I have this feeling they are on a mission with the help of Messi not to beat Germany but to shove one up the so called great footballing nation of Brazil on their own patch who have won at least one if not two (1958 &1962)World cups by default because Argentina could not recall overseas players in those days.
Should Argentina win they will be regarded as heroes for putting their country in the limelight as a great footballing nation something which in the minds of the Argentinian people should already be recorded in the history books and not the name of Brazil.
I had no idea why Argentinian fans were taking the pi*s so much about that 7-1 defeat for Brazil but all is now clear and victory over Germany will make this a year Argentina's people will never forget and go a long way to making up for all those lost years when they were the greatest team on the planet not Brazil.

Germany will win imo.  Argentina are hard-working but limited.
Germany will look at the Netherlands v Argentina video and learn how to keep Messi quiet.