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**Real Madrid v Barcelona**
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messi has already won 3 euro cups..............there will be another 3 at least. he will break every european goal scoring record in existance, domestically and in champs league. maradonna never did anything like this in club football.
all messi needs is a good world cup, score a few dazzlers and argies to win...............and its a done deal. hes teh greatest. dont forget lads, hes only 26, same age as diego when he dazzled the world in 1986. |
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Meadow, I don't think your reading skills are very good, second time today you've misquoted me completely, first was the greatest of all time quote when I said of my lifetime, which is short and now you're saying I think Wilshere can compete with Messi? When and where have I compared him to Messi, I will spell it out, Wilshere when fully fit and on his game has the potential to be one of the best players of his generation, in terms of natural talent, he is the best English player we have.
Brain Dead Jockeys, I would hazard a guess, the renowned defensive Seria A, esp back then, was a lot harder to score goals in that the defensively lax La Liga, which it is from all the games I watch on Sky, not to mention the fact that the players surrounding Messi are probably a lot better than the ones that surrounded Maradona. Looking at the league table in 1990 on wiki, the team that conceded the most goals at the end of the Serie A season let in 51 goals, there are about 4 teams in La Liga now who have conceded more that that after 29 games. Looking at the F and A column, Seria A back then looked very tight, how many goals would Messi have scored in that Napoli team? |
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Not the best - one of the best, which doesn't mean competing with Messi, you can't compare the two, you can compare him to Xavi and Iniesta.
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messi would score an average of 25 league goals minimum every season in seria back then.
i have no doubt about this. the thing people dont understand about diego is that he was a chronic cocaine addict for most of his career. his career peaked in 1986 but i reckon after that euphoria he went mad on teh drugs. at napoli he was never fully fit and was not as dedicated as messi. if he didnt have the drugs and bad attitude problesm, he would have score a lot more goals at napoli. people see what he did in 1986 and say yeah hes teh greatest.............he never played like this at napoli. the guy was a bad pro. if he had messi's professionalism, his career would have been off teh charts in the same way that messi's is. an inform maradonna and messi can score goals at will in any league in any era.....................diego wasnt up for it, thats why he didnt do it. |
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Mesmerised,
Where do you live? It's simply so I can give you directions to your nearest B&Q so you can select a bigger spade. |
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Brian dead i love messi and barca but i fail to see wer these 3 more european cups come from unless he moves clubs, no way in he ll barca can dominate that much
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I will be proved right, then, can I have your address so I can send you a big slice of humble pie
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Mesmerised,
More than happy to use a Desperate Dan spoon (or your B&Q spade) to devour an enormous portion of humble pie if I am wrong. |
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How much goals would Messi score if he wasn't playing for the best attacking team in the world? A team consisting of pretty much the best players in the world in their respective positions. Napoli did not have anything like the depth of talent that Barca have, plus they played in a far more competitive and defensively minded league. Basically Maradona was a miracle worker, he could take fairly average sides, like Argentina and Napoli, and turn them into world beaters. Messi could not do that in my opinion. I don't think it's even close. Maradona was much better than Messi.
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When Messi wins a World Cup in an Argentinian side that has players not on the same level as Barcelona, then he can be compared to what Maradonna did.
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i dont think barca r the best attacking side anymore and havnt been for a few years, plus messi finnishes each year as the highest assist taker and top scorer, so i think ur clutching at straws there, i think madrid and bayern have more attacking threat now than barca, but if u take messi out they no bettr than aresnal imo
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Messi is only about 60% the player Maradona was... sorry.
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I think you are way wide of the mark high-lander regardless of the stats cos we can fashion what we want from them regardless of Messi.s team mates the guy is messimeric as was Maradonna but in a different way,his balance/pace/vision sets him apart,his pass to Neymar t,other night was exquisite he picked him out in a crowded confined area picked up the break of the ball and rifled it home,tremendous.
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You really shouldn't go by stats, they can be incredibly misleading. I always go by what I see with my own eyes. I have watched both players and I have weighed up the opposition as well as the standard of their own team(s) and drawn my conclusions. I honestly believe that Messi is well short of Maradona's standards. It's not even close. Messi being the best player of all time is media driven hype.
In fact I think Ronaldo is slightly better than Messi. It seems to me he can do anything Messi can do and more. He is physically stronger, better in the air and is more powerful, stronger in the tackle. |
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u r dellusional, ronaldo could not have picked neymar out with the pass that messi did, my da seen best and maradona play and he says messi is better, infact i said to him who do u think is better, messi or ronaldo, his reply and hes a united fan, r u serious its not even close, he doesnt think ronaldo is anywer near his class |
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Ronaldo cannot operate in confined spaces excelent player though he is,for me he doesn,t come near Messi who makes and scores goals,his vision/timimg/precision and weight of pass have nothing or little to do with those around him,media hype is irrelevant the guy is up there with if not the very best.
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oh well if your da says so...
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Two totally different players, very difficult to compare. Personally rather have Ronaldo on my team though.
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Get a thread up, who would you have on ur team first choice, messi or ronaldo, as u say 2 different players
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Zidane was better than Messi imo
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Zidane was better than Messi imo
 Zidane was brilliant....but really better than messi??? |
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Messi is mainly a penalty box player. Maradona, Zidane could do a lot more than that. They could affect the game all over the pitch.
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Yes, me too, people who reference stats is usually because they don't watch enough of the player they are talking about 'Ibra' being a good example.
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Maradona was lucky. Souped up to the bill on gear and slaloming past Ray Winkins and Peter Reid....
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...I agree they operated in more areas of the pitch than Messi.....
..not sure that makes them any more effective than him.... Messi knows where he can do the most damage and doesn't waste his energy or talent pretending to be anything else....(to the detriment of his team) (as an aside I think Rooney could learn a lot from him in this respect). Anyway as I posted above....stats...winning...losing...etc..... ..they are as nothing when compared to the achievement of being integral and the catalyst to a team that redefined the way the game could be played....(although they obviously had a little success along the way also) .hardly their fault....but Maradona was never instrumental in or part of a team that did this...and thus far Ronaldo hasn't been either. |
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egner, I'm saying is that Messi has a lot more support than Maradona did. Messi is surrounded by world class players, Maradona wasn't. He had to take on most of the work load on his own. Maradona decided to take the game by the scruff of the neck against Belgium and then England. In the World Cup no less. On both occasions he picked up the ball in a non threatening area of the pitch and decided to score on his own without any assistance. Messi is not capable of doing that. He does not have it in him to take the ball in that manner, in his own half, beat an entire team himself and stick it in the net. When he does something similar, then we can talk.
I'm serious though, until he does that he cant be mentioned in the same breath as Maradona. |
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Ffs high-lander Messi has also taken on whole defences and scored,I think you are at the wind up?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYet49BToLw
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Barney, Messi hasn't done anything like what Maradona did in that World Cup. Not even close ffs! I also notice that his performance drops by 30% away from Camp Nou. And he has had many poor games for Argentina.
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Highlander, the champs league is a higher standard of football than the world cup, ok messi has yet to really shine at 1 but hes a good 2 left
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The Bhoys, who was Messi's goal against in the video and what was at stake?
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Ok then, i was just comparing how simaler the goals where
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biOB2C6Wo3k |
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I think that team was Gimnastic.
Messi has to do something with Argentina at the World Cup, Argentina are not the best side there every Brazilian in the country will want them to fail, the last thing they would want is to see Argentinian win the World Cup on their turf, he has never played the same way for them as he has for Barca, people down there even call him the 'Catalan' as when he used to play for them they said he always looks like he cares more when he plays for Barca, there is no bigger stage, drag them to the final with MOTM winning performances agains the bigger nations or if not history will always reflect more kindly of Maradonna and Pele in the GOAT debate. Ps form what I've heard about Pele, players used to try and kick the s*** out of him at a time when refs were more lenient, nowadays you only have to wink at a player and you get sent off. |
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Okay I will take it that the game wasn't quite as important as a World Cup Quarter Final then
I'm not saying Messi isn't a great player. You can certainly argue that he is the best right now. But he is no Maradona... sorry. |
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But highlander my daddy says he is
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You are bang on there mesmerised. Back then players like Pele and Maradona would get the carp kicked out of them. Nowadays players and Messi especially gets incredible protection. These days just give them a hard stare and they go down writhing on the floor, red cards all over the place.
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Damnn I cant beat your Daddy argument...
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i have watched both maradonna and messi play and yes maradonna did amazing things in 1986 world cup..................BUT HE DID NOT REPLICATE THAT AT NAPOLI..............HE WAS VERY GOOD BUT NOWHERE NEAR MESSI..............BARCA WITHOUT MESSI WOULD BE A FINE TEAM BUT NOT A GREAT ONE
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Wouldnt bother getting into the Maradona v Messi debate with highlander.
He is totally clueless and last time he claimed to fly over to watch Maradona play for Napoli and had Italian family who sent him videos every week. |