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I fancy us for the win tonight, Arsenal are like no other team that Bayern face in Germany and will struggle to cope with the movement of our midfield, Lahm in the holding position in the Bundesliga might work but the class of Wilshere and Cazorla will see to that. Not even Guardiola's so called great Barca sides managed to win at the Emirates and last season's loss to Bayern was off the back of a defeat to Blackburn, as Wenger says we are in a much better mental state now.
Plus Ribery is out, 3-0 Arsenal.
Plus Ribery is out, 3-0 Arsenal.
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Don't share your confidence about an Arsenal win, but Bayern are certainly too short.
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home advantage but you have too think are Arsenal in the top 3 teams in the world ,
i love the way they play and wish them all the best, but i am afraid the mighty bayern might shade it ! you cd do a bet on your team then a saver on bayern both teams to score and win ! |
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Struggled v Man U and Liverpool, going to struggle even more v Bayern. Bayern to qualify for me.
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Bayern will more than likely qualify but they are massively overrated as a team for me. Good but not at the same level as Barca of 3/4 years ago and never will be. 1.78 is a joke.
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barca had the overrated team. always relied on messi and the referee to come up with a crucial penalty here and there
bayern got to 3 of last 4 finals without getting lucky, also doesn't rely on a single player. clearly in a diffferent league as a team, as shown in last years semis (7-0) |
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I'm on Arsenal 4/1 is value for me,has to be backed.
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if arsenal treat this as the first half of the final, which they should, and ozil turns up they can be leading at half time. 2nd half in germany might be a little more difficult but its a funny old game.
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fixed 19 Feb 14 10:28
barca had the overrated team. always relied on messi and the referee to come up with a crucial penalty here and there bayern got to 3 of last 4 finals without getting lucky, also doesn't rely on a single player. clearly in a diffferent league as a team, as shown in last years semis (7-0) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah Iniesta and Xavi were just passengers!!! Give me a break. They played them in 09 in Barcelona and got spanked 4-0 themselves. |
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Ramon - in what way do you think they're massively overrated?
European champs, unbeaten in the league for over a year and set a CL record for consecutive wins. I'd say they've got every right to be rated. |
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Bayern Munich only lost 3 times in last 62 competitive games (not counting the german charity shield.
Heard Ribery is out so that's the only bit of hope Arsenal can cling to. |
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It's a ridiculous price. By far the most likely outcome is a draw. It's very rare for a European side to beat Arsenal at the Emirates. Laying Bayern Munich at 1.78 represents fantastic value. BM don't need to win this game, all they want is a draw to take back home. They wont be busting a gut to win this one.
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Bayern will win comfortably by at least a 2 goal margin. Ozil's Arsenals best player and he's out of form. Bayern Munich are consistently great whereas Arsenal are just Arsenal who never win anything.
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Biscuit1979 19 Feb 14 10:40
Ramon - in what way do you think they're massively overrated? European champs, unbeaten in the league for over a year and set a CL record for consecutive wins. I'd say they've got every right to be rated. Okay, here goes, unbeaten in Germany, when you see Leverkusen in second and Schalke in fourth that is all you need to know. Exciting league but like most there is a hell of a lot of dross in it. Their main challengers Dortmund are not the team they were, Bayern either buy or tap up the best players of an opposition who were lets face it better than them. Dortmund gave them some spankings. This Bayern side is a good side but keep ye're knickers on lads, they are NOT all that. |
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ridick price for gunners-at home,could well land
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They turn over teams in Europe not just the German league. Arsenal are just deadly average. I predict 0-2 scoreline.
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What would they have to do in your opinion to be classed as 'all that' then? Domestically yes i'll give you the fact that the competition is poor there and they buy their rivals best players. But thie Dortmund side that isn't the team they were, still smashed Real Madrid 4-1 on the way to last years final.
But if you put aside the domestic stuff, Bayern still dominate in Europe. On their way to last years final they beat the champions of Italy 4-0 and the champions of Spain 7-0. And if it wasn't for a ridiculously lucky Chelsea side whose name seemed to be on the cup, they'd have been champs for the past 2 seasons. I'm not sure what more they can do? |
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I don't know Biccy, maybe it was the fact they lacked a bit of bottle at home to Chelsea and granted they had a whole pile of luck Chelsea wanted it more and dug it out. Bottle is a huge factor in great sides also. I would like to see Bayern beat maybe 2 of Real, Barca and At Madrid this year if they are to win it and i will hold my hands up then and say they are a GREAT side then. That may well be needed looking at the way the draw is.
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I'm pretty sure Bayern caught Barca at a bad time with Messi being injured for a game and half, how in the world can you say they are dominating Europe when they've won it once in 13 years, if they became the first team to win it back to back, you then may have a point, Frank a face only a mother can love Ribery is their best player and is out, and Schweinsteiger is probably the most overrated German of his generation.
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I just don't see BM trying overly hard to win this. I think we will see a tactical game played mainly in the middle of the park with neither side committing themselves to attack.
0-0 or 1-1 |
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Well if it goes to form we're looking at a last 8 of Bayern, Barca, PSG, Dortmund, Chelsea, Atletico, Real and then either Man U/Olympiakos, so unless they draw either of the latter 2 they're going to have to beat decent sides the whole way through.
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arse need a bit of fire in their belly tho,insipid against utd,say the same against pool really
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"how in the world can you say they are dominating Europe when they've won it once in 13 years"
because we're talking about the present day, not a decade or more ago. Finalists and champions in the last 2 years and setting a record for consecutive wins |
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however good Bayern are (and I do rate them highly), their price tonight is too short. Arsenal are a proper CL side with a fine home record. I can see them starting very strong, maybe taking the lead before Bayern grow into the match and hit back. Score draw for me.
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Bayern still dominate in Europe.
They lost at home to English sides 3 times in the last 2 years along with defeats to BATE, Basel and Madrid and were poor in the CL final too, to dominate Europe you need a longer period of time to call it domination i.e 2x CL wins in a row, if Messi was fully fit last year they would not have won, he was a passenger. |
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"Finalists and champions in the last 2 years and setting a record for consecutive wins"
They haven't won it in consecutive years. They have won it once. |
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I think it means consecutive wins in matches
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Chelsea weren't ridiculously lucky. There is no such thing as a lucky win in a competition like the CL. You are either a good side who can defend and score goals or you are not. Barca were naive and paid for their rather silly all out attack policy and BM just weren't good enough to break Chelsea down. Luck had nothing to do with it.
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Consecutive wins in matches, so what? All that means is they played a bunch of weak teams along with a couple of strong sides. Big woop.
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I never said anything about Chelsea being lucky, just that Bayern werent clinical enough
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Bayern are way...way too short.
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They are built around him and have been for 7 years, last year they were a shadow of themselves when he wasn't fit, if he was more effective Bayern wouldn't have got their chances, the pattern of play would have been different, if they beat the current 'fit' Barca side convincingly I would be impressed.
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The 2012 final
35 shots 7 on target compared to Chelseas 7 shots 2 on target Bayern with 20 corners Chelsea with 1 corner(which they scored from if i remember right) |
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Most of the defeats you've listed were irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. BATE in the group stages, oh well. Basel away when they won the 2nd leg 7-0. Big deal. Madrid who they knocked out. Arsenal when the tie was over. City when they'd already qualified. They rarely lose when it really matters. Chelsea obviously the only big one and as i said earlier, their name was on that cup, were it not for Chelsea's good fortune, Bayern would be champs for the past 2 years, that's as close to domination as you can get. And last time i checked Messi wasn't a defender so whilst i'll give you the defeat probably wouldn't have been as big, i'm not sure he'd have prevented Bayern scoring at will.
Anyway we could argue this all day, we'll see over the next few weeks/months just how good they really are. |
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I agree he makes a huge difference when fit and firing Mesmerised, but i just think they had too much for Barces deteriorating defence.
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texas, it was Biscuit1979 who said Chelsea were "ridiculously lucky"
Biscuit do you support Bayern Munich now? What happened to your love affair with Barcelona?  |
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high_lander 19 Feb 14 11:38
Chelsea weren't ridiculously lucky. There is no such thing as a lucky win in a competition like the CL Outplayed in both games v Barca, scored with their only shot of the game at Stamford bridge, Sanchez hit the bar, Pedro hit the post. Then in the 2nd leg Messi hit the bar with a penalty. Totally outplayed v Bayern in the final, again scored with their only shot on goal in the last minute, Robben missed a penalty and then they won a shootout. Even Stevie Wonder could see they were ridiculously fortunate. |
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Yes because i think Bayern are a top quality side i must support them. Good one
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