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Controversy at Norwich
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no no, lets have it straight - I'm not attempting anything - I'm telling you for a fact it's all about nationality and cultural characteristics that determine winners in football these days, the proof is all there laid bare, it's not opinion.
Lump all the home nations in there, we all have this fair play bollocks mentality, difference is those countries havn't a prayer from the off because there is only so far you can get with limited quality - England have the players who will never be the best at a world cup, but cheating here, diving there, it will get you far. |
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How ironic that The Priest goes on about the pc brigade when the only reason Cardiff would have been allowed to walk the ball up the other end would have been to appease that very same pc brigade who don't believe games should be won or lost in that manner.
This reminded me of that Man U goal the other year against Tottenham where Gomes put the ball down thinking a free kick had been given and Nani tapped it in. In that instance Clattenburg didn't use common sense and the ref today did. |
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If Sportsmanship is more important than the basic rules of the game we might as well all go Morris dancing.
The ball was in play and it ended up in the net. The ref is lying if he says it wasn't because you can clearly see him wave the ball in, and as someone else pointed out, you don't need to wait for a ref's whistle from a throw in anyway. The fact that Fer "shouldn't" have scored is irrelevent. At that point you can't go back and take a throw in again. It's a goal. Tough ****. So what then has to happen is a walk-in equaliser. If Norwich didn't at that stage allow a Cardiff equaliser, the F.A. would have replayed the game. |
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Was also very disappointed to hear the Norwich boss saying that he would've had a decision to make if the goal had been allowed? Shameful. To my mind sportsmanship is important even in this day and age of mega bucks, and our global reputation for Canary followers built up over 100 years would have been ruined forever.
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it depends what happend next....
If the ref demanded that the throw in should be retaken then NO GOAL If the ball was just given to goalie or one of those drop ball free kicks was awarded, then the goal should have stood |
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If norwich go down by two points then it all could be going to the courts.
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marychain1 27 Oct 13 08:50
If Norwich didn't at that stage allow a Cardiff equaliser, the F.A. would have replayed the game. Alternatively, you can get rid of all that BS by disallowing the goal, as the ref correctly did. Even if he did lie about why he did it! |
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You can't just disallow a goal because you feel like it though.
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If that goal had been allowed in the 94th minute against Crewe, you would have been rightly livid.
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The referee incorrectly disallowed the goal, he then lied about his reasoning for doing so. Everything else is irrelevant and pure speculation as to what may or may not have happened afterwards...
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The fact that Fer "shouldn't" have scored is irrelevent. At that point you can't go back and take a throw in again
The rules are applied at the ref's discretion. If he says he wasn't ready for the game to restart then that's it end of story. You may not believe him but that doesn't matter as he's the sole arbiter. |
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I wouldn't have been livid at all, it was a goal. There's no room to be livid.
I would have been livid if the opposition didn't follow convention by allowing a walk-in goal. But then if they didn't the game would be replayed anyway. |
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what was the referee thinking?
that is the question here. you can't just rule out perfectly good goals regardless of what happened before. Just another example of how referees think they are more important than the actual game being played |
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spot on delphe
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spot on delphe
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Norwich and Cardiff have been charged by the Football Association for a confrontation between some of their players during Saturday's 0-0 draw.
The teams have been accused of failing to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion. The scuffle in added-on time came after Canaries midfielder Leroy Fer attempted to score from a throw-in when Cardiff had put the ball out for an injury. Both clubs have until 18:00 GMT on 4 November to respond to the charge. The incident occurred after Cardiff had kicked the ball out of play to allow Norwich's Alex Tettey to receive treatment. Rather than play the ball back to visiting keeper David Marshall, Netherlands international Fer rolled the ball into an empty net - something he later admitted was intentional. Referee Michael Jones disallowed the goal, saying he had not restarted play, but Cardiff's players reacted angrily to Fer's decision. |
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The reason I heard was that the ref hadn't whistled for the game to re-start but surely you can take a throw-in without the ref whistling, it happens all the time. I accept that the outcome was fair in the end and that Norwich would have allowed Cardiff to walk the ball in for an equaliser had the goal stood. The thing that annoys me is referees and their assistants making stories up after the event to justify their incorrect actions.
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This wasn't a normal throw in. A signal had to be given to restart because play had been stopped for an injury.
Play was stopped twice for injuries in the Brighton v Watford game the other night. The first restart was with a throw and the second with a goal kick. On both occasions the ref blew his whistle for play to restart. |
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Graham Poll's take
For referee Mike Jones to claim he did not signal for Norwich to take the throw-in that led to Leroy Fer rolling the ball into an unguarded net against Cardiff is a cop-out. As the pictures show, Ricky van Wolfswinkel clearly waits to be instructed by Jones that play can resume and it is equally clear the official waves an arm indicating as such. Only then does he take the throw-in to Fer, who does what no-one expects and scores. Fer said after the game that Jones told players he ruled out the goal because he had not blown his whistle to restart. That was backed up by his bosses at the Professional Game Match Officials. But that’s rubbish. Ask players how many times they have waited for a referee to whistle before taking a throw-in. The answer will be never. Mike Jones made the signal with his arm. The rulebook does not say it has to be a whistle. At that moment, Jones knows that, in the spirit of the game, Norwich should not score. David Marshall had thrown the ball out because of an injury to Alex Tettey in added time. But a referee cannot choose to ignore the laws of the game. He should have gone over to the managers and said: ‘This isn’t right.’ Malky Mackay claimed Chris Hughton immediately said his players would allow Cardiff to walk the ball in if the goal stood. There is plenty of precedent for that. Instead, we have this ****-and-bull story. Where is the credibility in that? A way to combat this is for players to let referees determine when play should be stopped for injuries. Then play can resume with a drop ball, involving only one player from the side in possession. In this way, ugly scenes such as we saw when the two teams clashed might be avoided. |
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Graham Poll is a bellend but I agree with his take on this to the letter
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there was no disallowed goal
the ref blew up before it went in due to unsporting conduct obviously he should have probably booked fer but no idea why people are getting to angry i'm a norwich fan and thought the ref did superb in the face of thick cheating footballers |
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for once i find myself in complete agreement with poll.
the ref certainly copped out, and , more importantly, decided unilaterally to operate outside of the laws of the game that he was there to administer. he should have allowed the goal to stand,then restart play with expectation that the that the team who had profited from the "unfair goal" would do the right thing. like ian merseyside i get annoyed when officials "cobble together" explanations after the event in order to suit their own purpose. it happened the previous week with the goal that was wrongly allowed to stand for chelsea, both the ref and linesman tried to convince anybody who would listen that the goalie dropped the ball rather than bounced it, when it was obvious to anybody who saw it that he was bouncing it and therefore it was in his control and no goal. it's perfectly obvious to me that neither the ref or linesman saw what happened so therefore he can take no action, but to actually lie about the situation is terrible, far worse than saying something like " sorry i didn't see anything untoward happen so therefore by the laws of the game i'm duty bound to award a goal" |
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Not for the first time in his life Poll isn't telling the truth is he because as I said what he says never happens did happen twice in one match alone on Monday night.
In this instance the ref gave that reason on the pitch in the immediate aftermath so it wasn't something he cobbled together. He thought on his feet to disallow a "goal" which should never have been scored. In doing so he took away any "dilemma" Hughton may have had and also ensured there was no need for the farce of Norwich standing aside to let Cardiff score. As I said previously on this thread if the ref said he wasn't ready for the game to restart then he wasn't ready, end of story. It's quite ironic that people are saying the ref acted outside the laws of the game but then say Norwich should have done the right thing and let Cardiff score. Well that's not in the laws of the game either. By doing that you'd have been expecting them to act in the spirit of the game. Guess what? That's exactly what the ref did. |
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In the aftermath, Leroy Fer is now a marked man, as proved in the penalty against him at Old Trafford on Tuesday. Referees will now try to get their own back with him and will not be surprised to see further penalties and/or red cards in the coming weeks.
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Marcce
The ref's claim that he wasnt ready to restart is not consistent with his wave for the player to restart play. And you say it "shouldn't" have been scored. Yet there is nothing in the rules to say that it shouldn't. Indeed, if the ball is in play and it goes in the net then it is a goal. You are correct to say it isn't in the rules for Norwich to allow a walk-in equaliser but it is convention. And precedent says that if it hadn't happened the game would have been replayed. |
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Whether it's consistent with the wave or not doesn't matter one iota. Whatever contradictory signals you saw, the ref said he wasn't ready for play to restart because he hadn't blown his whistle and that's it. His word is final. Therefore, the ball was not back in play and it wasn't a goal.
He's obviously told a little white lie to sort out the situation but contrary to what some people are saying, he didn't make up his own law and it was for the good of the game. Let's not forget that league positions can be determined by goals scored. What if a team ended up going down by virtue of Norwich or Cardiff scoring one more goal than them if this goal had been allowed and Cardiff had walked it in down the other end? The correct score of that game was 0-0 and that's the score we got. |
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It wasnt though. There was a goal. The ref can't make up his own rules, disallow a perfectly good goal and then lie to cover it.
Yes it was bad sportsmanship by Fer but so what? There's probably about 50 goals a season scored where there's been bad sportsmanship in the build up, either a foul not seen or a dive for a free kick or penalty wrongly given. This bad sportsmanship wasn't breaking any rules AND there's convention in place to cover it. |
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it seems to me that the "litmus test" would be the following question.
"do you think the referee would have ordered the throw in to be re-taken had that goal not been scored" if you think the answer is no, then by definaition the ref has ridden a coach and four through the laws of the game. |
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The ref can't make up his own rules, disallow a perfectly good goal and then lie to cover it.
If you think it's a perfectly good goal then there's no convention needed is there? The final score is 1-0 to Morwich and tough on Cardiff. Whichever way you want to spin it the ref did the right thing. |
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How anyone can even think the ref did the right thing is beyond me..It was a goal..What happens after is of no concern to the argument (as far as the goal should stand)..
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Ball was never in play. What happens after is of no concern to the argument
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lol "ball was never in play"
 And YOU BELIEVE that? |
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Well the "goalscorer" believed it
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lol "ball was never in play" LaughLaughLaughAnd YOU BELIEVE that?
It wasn't in play because the ref said it wasn't. What you or anyone else thinks of his explanation is neither here nor there. The ball was not back in play according to the ref. |
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lol
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The ref f ucked up and back tracked..We all know that..
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if ball wasnt in play , fer should have been booked for time wasting
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The only c ock up was the REF..
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funny ref, i wonder if he knows the rules of the game
beach balls , this , and now tiote |
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and cabaye and mbiwa baresi mbiwa
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