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Controversy at Norwich
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soz...wrong thread
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should've got the physio to save it, like in that south american game a few weeks back.
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"Solano what you appear to be missing is the fact the Ref can not just simply make new rules up to please the PC brigade."
Again .. the PC brigade LOL. Get off to the Daily Mail, there's surely a comment section about "so called global warming" or "them illegals" missing your talents. |
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would you really feel bad about it if your team had score, personally i wouldnt give a ****
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The perceived 'rule' that the OP indicated had to happen and The Priest would have preferred to have happened. i.e. that the Norwich goal stands and they would have had to / in all probability, allowed Cardiff to walk the ball into the net.
You're probably correct - to the best of my knowledge it isn't a rule. But it doesn't mean that we didn't see the right outcome. |
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common sense , hmmmm,
why hasnt the rule already been changed to prohibit the scoring of an accidental goal simple wording that a team must have clear possesion after a ball is returned to them before a goal is scored would sort the problem, which has happened several times and is ignored |
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See - all you need is a good lawyer.
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ref put in a difficult position again
fwiw , i think he did the right thing despite it not being consistant with the rules |
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Of course he did.
You might know this one donny (I don't). When a team boots the ball out as there is an opposing player on the floor, is it in the 'rules' that the ball should be returned to the team that booted it out? I suspect it isn't, but some refs seem to indicate it needs to happen, some don't. |
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There is no rule, and people are getting caught up with the outcome of the game which is irrelevant to the kernel of the argument, the ref disallowed a perfectly legitimate goal for Norwich. All the other suppositions of pocket talking/common sense/fair play are superfluous because nobody knows for certain what would have happened afterwards..The goal should have stood, if Norwich wanted to apply sportsmanship to the game they could/should have but it was completely their call not the ref's to level the game.
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no it isnt in the rules, as far as i know anyway
but its a convention that promotes good sportsmanship, so worth encouraging |
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Re-read the OP TP.
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Indeed donny - might as well not bother with the throw and boot back to the keeper and just award a goal kick.
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But a foul can be given for unsportsmanlike conduct. So if he'd blown up and offered a foul, that would be in the rules?
This was by any measure unsportsmanlike conduct, surely? |
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No, in this instance he can't , which makes Fifa/Uefa's sportsmanlike charter pretty impotent , they need to clarify the rules, but personally I am against the opposition having to return the ball from the throw in as I think it encourages time wasting through players falling to the floor and stopping play.
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Maybe it should be done the ref? e.g. ball kicked out of play, ref himself throws ball to player pointed at by team captain, as quickly as possible.
Problem solved? |
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Not if it's 0-0, and you're on BTTS.
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Poll would have awarded the goal, then immediately blown for full time.
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LOL Temple - he's a coont!
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Would much rather see the ref disallow in these circumstances than witness the farce of the offending side allowing the opposition to walk the ball in to make up for it.
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Why should he disallow a perfectly good goal?
I can't understand this? You kick it back to the keeper for e.g , he allows it to squirm under his legs and goes in , why should the ref be allowed to disallow things because it doesn't suit him? Yes, after giving it we then would get the farce that follows but that isn't the point , the Ref is not allowed to make it up as he goes along no matter how 'Right on' it may seem to everybody. What next , team losing 0-5 , feel sorry for them, so in the interests of sportsmanship the ref will let them get a couple back, they have families and kids watching you know , could scar them for life. Perhaps if we did away with all this rubbish in the first place and got it back to been the contact sport between two teams it used to be instead of Patticake patticake bake me a pie Football has become we wouldn't be debating this. |
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its on MOTD now
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Looking at the wide angle view, the ref hadn't restarted play - he was looking in totally the other direction.
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No need for a ref to restart play from a throw, the ref has made a rick.
but made it for the right reasons. |
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no whistle to start so no goal
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Priest is spot on.
These are the facts: 1) It was a goal 2) It was incorrectly disallowed by the referee. 3) Normally in these circumstances the team that have just 'accidentally' scored allow the other team to walk on in 4) This does not always happen but when it doesn't the governing bodies always replay the match none of these 4 points are in dispute. The only bet I had on the game was on Cardiff, so my bet was already a loser either way. |
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the next time he books a player for time wasting at a throw in when he hasnt blown his whistle might be fun !
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will be interesting to see what dermot will have to say tomorrow.
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Can't believe that no one is giving any stick to the norwich player over this. What was Fer thinking? Can't score a goal from normal play so we'll try and tap one in instead of giving it back to the keeper. Poor form.
The ref showed some common sense. |
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Darlo, the ref was looking at the thrower and gave him a wave of the arm expecting him to throw it back to the keeper!
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Agree that the ref hasn't exactly been clear, ok honest, about his reasons for disallowing it but no way the goal should have stood.
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No such thing as fair play in football, win at all a costs, all winners are underhand in one way or another, class on the surface, scum underneath, deny everything.
its like I was saying a while back, we should start diving and cheating at international level then we might start winning something cos let's face it, we're not going to win it by playing football. Nice guys finish last. |
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Firstly - Fer was out of order, plus giving the reason that it happens in Holland?? Why would any Dutch teams kick it out then??! Cobblers.
Secondly - the ref has dug a hole with his excuse for not giving permission for the throw as exposed by MOTD - looked as if he panicked when the players squared up and went for the easy option. Finally - would like to believe that even Norwich aren't that desperate to want to win like that  |
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It was only last weekend that the guy (forget match) took ball of keeper bouncing ball and scored, against rules, but stood.
I'm sick of people on this forum defending the cheating of Ronaldo because he can take a good free kick or neymar because he can dribble etc, as if one good skill gives cart blanche to be an ars*. I'm not sure what to make of this "the priest" guy. He calls people who believe in basic sportsmanship "the pc brigade" and then says " the Ref is not allowed to make it up as he goes along no matter how 'Right on' it may seem to everybody" continuing this riduculously reactionary theme There is nothing "right on" or "PC" (I don't think the priest even understands where that came from) about wanting basic sportsmanship and right and wrong in sport. 150 ****ing years ago in the most conservative cricket team in the most conservative village in England they'd have understood the basic morals of spotsmanship, got VERY annoyed at people going against that, then be off the next day to rule some part of the empire. Hardly the "PC Brigade" or "Right on sandal wearers". It's nothing to do with "right on" or "PC" you ridiculous..... |
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sportsmanship lol, you are living in cloud cuckoo land, you're too English, and English football is full of losers - the managers are useless at the top level, and so are most of the players - top managers get their players to cheat and dive to win european and world cups, see mourinhos porto sides especially in the UEFA cup 2003, see guardiolas drugged up Barca players hunting down the ball and keeping it for 90 minutes solid, all winning managers are foreign because not only do they know the game, they play it.
Name one English mananger who has won anything significant in since Howard Wilkenshon won the league with Leeds 21 years ago, I can;t think of anyone, no league tile in a top league let alone a European or World cup, they never venture outside of England and therefore live by the fair play nonsense knowing full well the media will come down on him and his team like a ton of bricks if they were dirty, thats why i think mourinhos gone a bit soft back at chelsea. Same with the players, hardly ever go abroad, never learn the tricks of the trade, diving and cheating the ref is a necessary art form, sportsmanship is for losers, ask Matzerazzi world cup winner 2006. |
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I disagree, and it's nothing to do with "nationality", which you've attempted to decompose it to.
Maybe I'm old school but I believe in right and wrong, and I hate cheaters and cheating. Ok lets call your bluff and rationalise your argument. Do you think cheating is quite acceptable in Scotland, Wales, Northern Irelandm, Ireland, and "England" is somehow lacking or weak for not doing so? Don't dodge it, this is a direct question. Answer here ->: |
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People talking through theyre kick imo!! Common Sense is not very common these days.
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