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cobs101 When: 07 Oct 13 21:41

Both teams would be mid to lower championship level in England I would say

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Dav_vin03 When: 07 Oct 13 21:42

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:41PM, cobs101 wrote:

Both teams would be mid to lower championship level in England I would say

Haha

not a chance

both teams would be mid to lower conference level.

Celtic may be championship level, but no the rest o the junk up their.

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akabula When: 07 Oct 13 21:42

Dav stop gloating - English football is heading for a ravine - behind Germany - Behind Spain - Who's next to overtake you - If Sky ever wake up yer f*ck*d

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Biscuit1979 When: 07 Oct 13 21:43

"Plenty if other players in the Premier league that were average in SPL - Hoolahan, Ruddy, Speroni etc"

If they're your best examples then you're quite clearly struggling!
Hoolahan was barely in the SPL for 6 months, Ruddy did well in his one season there and Speroni played there about 10 years ago!

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trilby22 When: 07 Oct 13 21:44

Hold the front page ...

News coming in from South Africa ...

Rangers Fottball club ...

44million

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 21:44

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:42PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:41PM, cobs101 wrote:Both teams would be mid to lower championship level in England I would sayHahanot a chanceboth teams would be mid to lower conference level.Celtic may be championship level, but no the rest o the junk up their.

Yet the conference select struggles to beat the highland league select in recent years and a team that would finish bottom half of the SPL got to the final of the Carling Cup.

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Dav_vin03 When: 07 Oct 13 21:44

I didn't say English football was brilliant,
but I know enough to be able to make an honest comparison as to where the likes of hibs and thistle would be competitive.
And that would be the conference.

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 21:44

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:43PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

"Plenty if other players in the Premier league that were average in SPL - Hoolahan, Ruddy, Speroni etc"If they're your best examples then you're quite clearly struggling!Hoolahan was barely in the SPL for 6 months, Ruddy did well in his one season there and Speroni played there about 10 years ago!

Charlie Adam? Stephen Fletcher?

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Dav_vin03 When: 07 Oct 13 21:46

where they not young players in Scotland, so playing around better players in England and naturally maturing they are likely to improve?

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Dav_vin03 When: 07 Oct 13 21:47

Please google inverness caleys summer signings.

They where over the moon to pick up conference and conference north players.

Caley are 2nd in the SPFL.
I rest my case your honour.

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Dav_vin03 When: 07 Oct 13 21:48

I actually think thistle would do OK in the conference if they got a decent target man

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 21:50

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:47PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

Please google inverness caleys summer signings.They where over the moon to pick up conference and conference north players.Caley are 2nd in the SPFL.I rest my case your honour.

The majority of your average SPL players are down in the Championship and league one.

Some terrible players from league one and two come up to Scotland and look far far short of the required standard.

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Geesyerdosh When: 07 Oct 13 21:51

Burke, Bryson, McArthur, Arfield, Dobbie just off the top of my head who are playing in the championship who were not much special up here. Must be many more.

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Geesyerdosh When: 07 Oct 13 21:55

Dav how many of their signings are in the 1st team. Not many I think you will find.

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 21:57

Sone Aluko - bog standard at Aberdeen doing it for Hull in the Championship and EPL.

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 21:58

Gordon Greer - complete lump of a defender at Killie - captain of Brighton.

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breadnbutter When: 07 Oct 13 22:03

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:44PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:

I didn't say English football was brilliant, but I know enough to be able to make an honest comparison as to where the likes of hibs and thistle would be competitive.And that would be the conference.

Burke was never the same after celtic sang "whos the **** in the blue " at him ....poor lad came on again after he settled away from glasgow .

Sone Aluko was a good player at Aberdeen and then went to juventus and then Rangers ...was a class act ...

never improved in England just released his full potential imo

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 22:06

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:03PM, breadnbutter wrote:

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:44PM, Dav_vin03 wrote:I didn't say English football was brilliant, but I know enough to be able to make an honest comparison as to where the likes of hibs and thistle would be competitive.And that would be the conference.Burke was never the same after celtic sang "whos the **** in the blue " at him ....poor lad came on again after he settled away from glasgow .Sone Aluko was a good player at Aberdeen and then went to juventus and then Rangers ...was a class act ...never improved in England just released his full potential imo

'Just realising potential' could be said about any of the players that have come from lower league England to SPL.

The Championship is full of these players that were average/decent SPL players.

Look at Derby for example playing Connor Sammon, Craig Bryson, Johnny Russel, Paul Coutts (highland league player in Scotland).

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breadnbutter When: 07 Oct 13 22:12

Connor Sammon was a decent player and some thought he would be better than David Goodwillie .

Sone Aluko was a class act ...Juventus never gave him a contract and he payed his own transfer fee to come to Ibrox

was a top talent ...even at Aberdeen he showed touches of real class ,burke ,sammon ,goodwillie were all very good players when they left Scotland .

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 22:14

They were decent players I dont know about 'very good'.

Do you agree these are a better standard of player than coming out of the conferece.

Jeepers I just looked at Hull City and that takes the biscuit for decent SPL players.

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 22:15

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:14PM, JamDav1982 wrote:

They were decent players I dont know about 'very good'.Do you agree these are a better standard of player than coming out of the conferece.Jeepers I just looked at Hull City and that takes the biscuit for decent SPL players.

Sorry not Hull - Blackpool.

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breadnbutter When: 07 Oct 13 22:40

what players have come from the conference and done well in Scotland ?

Blackpool were a EPL side ,still on parashoot munee ,60+m for getting into the EPL and 30M when they left (over 3 years?)

Scotland can not compete with the championship player values and wages anymore due to the obscene amounts of TV munee ...

all they can do is put more munee into grassroots level but the truth is there are too many options for youngsters now and there is simply not enough kids competing for the places ....so the level will keep dropping for the foreseeable future.

Charlie Adam ...was an average player in Scotland and turned into a decent player for Blackpool in the championship and EPL .

great left foot .....could not tackle a bag o chips ....has made an absolute fortune

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 22:44

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:40PM, breadnbutter wrote:

what players have come from the conference and done well in Scotland ? Blackpool were a EPL side ,still on parashoot munee ,60+m for getting into the EPL and 30M when they left (over 3 years?) Scotland can not compete with the championship player values and wages anymore due to the obscene amounts of TV munee ...all they can do is put more munee into grassroots level but the truth is there are too many options for youngsters now and there is simply not enough kids competing for the places ....so the level will keep dropping for the foreseeable future.Charlie Adam ...was an average player in Scotland and turned into a decent player for Blackpool in the championship and EPL .great left foot .....could not tackle a bag o chips ....has made an absolute fortune

Not sure what all that means?

Do you think the SPL is worse than conference level?

Its a poor league but teams like Aberdeen etc would hold their own in the Championship.

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ZEALOT When: 07 Oct 13 22:58

Scottish top flight football is absolutely appalling imo . Not gonna change either - drugs and booze come first in the slums .
Has anybody on here ever been to Motherwell ?

A pitiful place , worse than any ghetto in America .

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Biscuit1979 When: 07 Oct 13 23:05

I think you're missing my point completely JamDav, i wasn't saying that the entire SPL is on a par with the conference. I was saying that some of the poorest players in it are conference standard.

When complete nobodies in the lower leagues in England like McKay, Higdon and McGinn can go to the SPL and score week in week out then that shows you the level up there. So if players from leagues one and two in England can flourish there then it stands to reason that the lowest level players would be conference standard.

And for every player who's come down south and done well there are more that have gone the other way. Stokes did nothing in England, Hooper came from Scunthorpe, Commons was an average championship player with Derby. Matthews came from Cardiff. Richie Foran played for Southend and Darlington, John Sutton played for Wycombe, these are all regular SPL players.

You say Aberdeen are championship standard yet their regulars include Scott Vernon who played for Southend and Colchester, Greg Wylde who couldn't get a game at Bolton, Michael Hector who was at Cheltenham last year and Calvin Zola who signed from Burton Albion! Yeah they're really good!!

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 23:11

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:05PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

I think you're missing my point completely JamDav, i wasn't saying that the entire SPL is on a par with the conference. I was saying that some of the poorest players in it are conference standard.When complete nobodies in the lower leagues in England like McKay, Higdon and McGinn can go to the SPL and score week in week out then that shows you the level up there. So if players from leagues one and two in England can flourish there then it stands to reason that the lowest level players would be conference standard. And for every player who's come down south and done well there are more that have gone the other way. Stokes did nothing in England, Hooper came from Scunthorpe, Commons was an average championship player with Derby. Matthews came from Cardiff. Richie Foran played for Southend and Darlington, John Sutton played for Wycombe, these are all regular SPL players.You say Aberdeen are championship standard yet their regulars include Scott Vernon who played for Southend and Colchester, Greg Wylde who couldn't get a game at Bolton, Michael Hector who was at Cheltenham last year and Calvin Zola who signed from Burton Albion! Yeah they're really good!!

I can list plenty of players that are playing at championship level in England that were nobodies in Scotland players that had come from the highland league or lower divisions in Scotland.

McGinn is hardly a nobody he played for Celtic and Northern Ireland and played for Aberdeen as striker and not a winger.

Teams like Blackpool and Derby have SPL players that were no great shakes.

As for the worst SPL players being poor enough for Conference standard that would apply to Championship and many league one teams also.

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Biscuit1979 When: 07 Oct 13 23:13

Inverness are a joke, their regulars include:

Dean Brill - signed from Luton
David Raven - Tranmere
Gary Warren - Newport County
James Vincent - Kidderminster
Ross Draper - Macclesfield
Richie Foran - Darlington
Billy McKay - Northampton

This lot are 2nd in the SPL!

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 23:15

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:13PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Inverness are a joke, their regulars include:Dean Brill - signed from LutonDavid Raven - TranmereGary Warren - Newport CountyJames Vincent - KidderminsterRoss Draper - MacclesfieldRichie Foran - DarlingtonBilly McKay - NorthamptonThis lot are 2nd in the SPL!

What does that prove?

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trilby22 When: 07 Oct 13 23:16

Staggies of Dingwall fear the Snekkie Boys.

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Biscuit1979 When: 07 Oct 13 23:18

Well either the SPL is poor or Terry Butcher is a managerial god

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trilby22 When: 07 Oct 13 23:19

SPL is pish without Rangers and Tel is a hero

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JamDav1982 When: 07 Oct 13 23:19

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:18PM, Biscuit1979 wrote:

Well either the SPL is poor or Terry Butcher is a managerial god

What does it mean when there are teams in the top half of the championshsip with players from the SPL and below then?

It must surely mean SPL is on a standard going by your criteria?

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trilby22 When: 07 Oct 13 23:22

Oct 7, 2013 -- 11:19PM, trilby22 wrote:

SPL is pish without Rangers and Tel is a hero

So there and goodnight

By:

sevey When: 08 Oct 13 06:37

There is a player playing for west ham played for hibs not so long ago scores goals we he gets a chance not sure to score in a brothel we he played up there

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JamDav1982 When: 08 Oct 13 20:04

Oct 8, 2013 -- 6:37AM, sevey wrote:

There is a player

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JamDav1982 When: 08 Oct 13 20:05