Being Paul Gasgoine 9,00pm ITV tonight

Great player, useless human being. I'll save my sympathy for the million or so more deserving people in the UK

Average footballer, terribly overrated.

Clueless ^^^^^^^^^^^

Jack Wilshere is better.

yea hes **** now but was once prob the best player to ever wear an England shirt

shame how it goes for some

Still vastly overrated.

Seen recently drunkenly throwing money away on bets.

.... sure he's not a forumite?

second best england midfielder behind scholes

Was a genius on the pitch. The best of his generation.

Unique19 24 Sep 13 19:21 
Jack Wilshere is better.

superb player and unlike alot of todays players really showed pride in playing for his country

Unique19 24 Sep 13 19:21
Jack Wilshere is better.

somebody should put the poor **** out of his misery.

"prob the best player to ever wear an England shirt "
"vastly overrated."


Interestingly these two sentences are not logically contradictory :)

forget spurs, england,lazio, i,m a boro fan and when the local news used to show newcastle highlights on a monday night it was like watching a one man masterclass,the man was brilliant, to compare him with wiltshire is a joke a compilation of wiltshires career highlights would consist of a decent 1st half against a woeful milan team and a good game in a friendly against brazil
i watch him closely to see what i,m missing but the evidence to match the hype in wiltshires case is very thin on the  ground

yeah i agree im arsenal fan and hopefully he will become a top top payer but doubt will  be anywhere near a gazza

Have to agree with the massively overrated opinion.

Funny how players get better with the passing of time.

he beat his wife so he deserves no sympathy. mental illness is no excuse for unprovoked violence.

are we on about wiltshire here whilst he was injured ,went from promising youngster to englands best midfielder whilst layed on the couch at home

'second best england midfielder behind scholes'

David Platt was better for England than Scholes ever was, Scholes was dropped for Lampard and Gerrard and sulked, then took his bat and ball home. If you think Scholes was England's best ever midfielder then he's also got to be England's biggest traitor in retiring early

Honours of one of Englands all time greats.

1 x FA Cup.
1 x Young player of the year.
And some Scottish stuff.

Scholes was a great player but it seems that as he was under rated for large parts of his career that people now over rate him to make a point.

Very good player but not close to the top midfieders in europe and many midfielders did more for England than him.

There would be some shocking contenders for best England midfielder if honours are the only contributing factor.

Scholes was a great player but it seems that as he was under rated for large parts of his career that people now over rate him to make a point.

Funny how players get better with the passing of time.

If you saw him play for Newcastle you knew within seconds he was something special

Agree,honours aren't the only factor.

But they are one of the main ones in judging a player.

He played for some pretty average club sides so was never going to clean up in medals.

I personally don't think he was overrated. He had everything. Skillful, strong, scored goals, great passer, and lit up a World Cup.

Whats funny? I'm a fan of Gazza.

Even Jason Cundy on talksport agreed Wilshere has the potential to be better than Gazza.

Wilshere is technically better than Gazza, and also has more ability to glide past players. I've watched a lot of gazza and a lot of his stuff was one two footy and didn't go on and beat 2 or 3 players as much as Wilshere.

Gazza was stronger and scored far more goals than Wilshere, Gazza was class, no doubt. But Wilshere is something very special in the making and will go down at the end of his career as a true great.

All IMO, of course.

I'm not doubting he had a lot of ability.

Just saying anyone who puts him down as one of the all time English greats has been pulled along by the hype.

When you have a player with the profile of Gazza. You see everything good he does over and over again.

Even though he was loved by jurnos and players a like, he was never voted the best in the league by either.

But Wilshere is something very special in the making and will go down at the end of his career as a true great.

From what I've seen so far, the emboldened words best describe him when he plays.

Spends half the time on the deck complaining.

Super Hans 24 Sep 13 20:28 
Agree,honours aren't the only factor.

But they are one of the main ones in judging a player.




Most people will judge a player with how they perform on the pitch, not by what they won.

Are you going to tell me Glenn Hoddle wasn't a great player because he won hardly anything?

Or maybe John O' Shea was a great player because he won 5 league titles?

Or perhaps Djimi traore was a top full back because he won a champions league medal.

none of them aint anything on clive mendonca eh biscuit

Legend

aint a patch on Guy Whittingham though mate , IMO of course

As I said it's not the only factor.

As always a lot of ability comes down to opinion.

My opinion is Gazza is no where near one of Englands all time greats.

I just try to use facts to support my case.

5 years since wilshere's debut, still somehow full of promise for the future.

meanwhile aaron ramsey is playing better than wilshere is or ever has. bewildering.

Sir Alex Ferguson:

"I would have like to have signed Gascoigne, I’d have loved to have got Gascoigne. He played against us up at Newcastle, he’d be out of the team for weeks, and they were down the bottom.

"We went there Easter Monday, and he was starting to get recognised. We’d known that because we’d scouted him and thought 'Gascoigne’s the man', and we couldn’t get near him, honestly it was unbelievable.

"I wish I’d have got him, I maybe could have done something with him. If you look at English football since say 1966 when they won the World Cup, you’d have to say Gascoigne’s been the one real world star that England have produced.

I don't think he's the only real world star England have produced.

Gary Lineker?
Michael Owen?
Chris Waddle?

Old Baconface has been known to get things wrong occasionally.

Bebe.
Taibi
Djemba
Obertan

That's true but he did get things right quite a bit more often

Would've been interesting to see how Gazza's career (and life) went if he'd gone to United instead of London

Best English player of all time is Bobby Charlton in almost any aspect you want to judge it by.

Probably would have taken Cregan fried chicken instead of Moat.

needs subtitles this

How many players would you pay to go and watch? I'm a Chelsea fan, always have been, and I paid to go and watch Zola most weeks, the man was an absolute genius. Only ever saw Gazza play live once and he was infectious, the crowd buzzed with expectation every time he got the ball and he was something very special on that day. There are not many players these days I would pay to watch!

I expect one way or the other you'll find you pay to watch most of them

Jack Wilshere a poor mans Joe Cole...and he was pish.

Gazza the great.... (on the pitch)..

i dont get this botox thing. why?

True themover, but you know what I mean

vanity

"Only ever saw Gazza play live once and he was infectious, the crowd buzzed with expectation every time he got the ball and he was something very special on that day"



This is true. I saw him play for Spurs at Selhurst park in the 90-91 season, the crowd must've been about 10k up on what it usually was and he (along with Lineker) was absolutely outstanding. Like you say, there was a buzz every time he got the ball.

with spurs and newcastle he was incredible.

I saw him V Chelsea at White Hart lane Biscuit around that time. Chelsea won 3-2 but Gazza scored, along with Lineker I think, and it was one of the games I will always remember.

five bellies took poncing to a whole new level

Actually it was at Stamford Bridge

Maybe if Fergie had been his manager he might've kept him more on the rails, been a longer/better career?

Just imagine the discussious you'd have in the dressing room between Cantona and Gascoigne, two men of finesse and culture

After watching that kick about on the street,Davie Moyes has bid 7 Million !!

And Gazza still said NO.

as a Scotsman it pains me to say it, but he was world class.


and better than Ronaldo, btw.

was magnificent in the season following the 1990 world cup. more or less dragged an average spurs side to the fa cup in 1991 singlehandedly

in the semi final ran rings around the arsenal side who lost 1 game all season in the league and that after 6 weeks out injured

a real shame he committed career suicide in the final. has never really ever recovered from that day

booze has turned him gay..

Platini - as a Scotsman it pains me to say it, but he was world class.


and better than Ronaldo, btw.


Do me a favour. All that Buckie's gone to your head.

I LIKE HIM ,DAFT AS A BRUSH LIKE ME ,

BUT TRUELY OVERRATED  JUST ANOTHER FAIR FOOTBALLER

Gazza wasn't overrated, for two years he was the best player in England in an ordinary side. But the injury in the Cup Final finished him and he was never the same player again.

Gazza's life epitaph will read " Could have been ..."

gazza was and still is the BEST ENGLAND PLAYER.jack Wilshere is very overrated that will never able to lace GAZZA boots.i cant understand people saying we need to bulid the England team around wiltshere.

Dunce.

When Jack Wilshere has actually achieved something then there might be a debate but right now he's not really done anything in the game. Gazza was superb and starred at a world cup and a European championships.

His goals v Arsenal in the FA cup and v Scotland at Euro 96 are 2 of the best goals in Wembley history. I can't even remember a Wilshere goal.

Absolute waste of rations.............Eric Djemba Djemba was better!!!!!

think biscuit has it just about nailed,we,ll have some young whipper snapper coming along shortly telling us one direction are different class to the beatles,as friendlys dont count wiltshires whole career is based on 1 half against an out of sorts milan ,who when they got sorted at half time wiltshire never got a kick in the 2nd half,
ive never seen him touch the ball at stamford bridge,old trafford, eittihad,anfield etc

Wilshere needs to concentrate on getting a bit of colour in his face, he always looks like a vampire's had a go at him

to be fair to wiltshire in an interview on his return from that long term injury,

he said i seem to have become a better player since ive been out injured

YOUR ALL ENTITLED TO YOUR VIEW BUT HE WAS VERY VERY OVERATED ,A GOOD PLAYER BUT THATS ALL

BUT LIKE I SAID YOUR ALLOWED TO  HAVE A VIEW NO MATTER HOW WRONG YOU ARE