How good is Scottish football?

when was the last time a top 6 championship side beat celtic. I rest my case.

When was the last time Celtic beat a top 6 Championship side? I rest my case.

when was the last time a top 6 championship club got thru the group stages in the champions league ?

can I rest my case ??

Don't judge scottish football by Hibs. They are absolute garbage and only Leigh Griffiths papered over the cracks last season.

They did well in the Champions League sure, beating a disinterested Barcelona side despite only having 8% possession, and beating a second rate Portugese and Latvian team or someone. Everyone in England was really happy for them. But when it came to the crunch they got absolutely pasted 5-0 by an average Juventus side.

And now they're selling their best players to Norwich, Just like a Championship side. The reality is they have to come in at the second qualifying round because they're absolute guff.

The best comparison is with Braga. Celtic played them in the CL 2010-2011 2-1 & 0-3 Birmingham in the Championship played them in EL 2011-2012 1-3 & 0-1. Means little I'd say.

The rest of the Scottish Prem is probably League One standard, so not much point in looking at those results.

Celtic and Birmingham is a decent comparison I'd say in terms of playing level, history, support etc. At times they may have both been able to compete to some degree with the top English clubs, but they will both be perpetual also-rans.

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They did well in the Champions League sure, beating a disinterested Barcelona side despite only having 8% possession, and beating a second rate Portugese and Latvian team or someone. Everyone in England was really happy for them. But when it came to the crunch they got absolutely pasted 5-0 by an average Juventus side.

And now they're selling their best players to Norwich, Just like a Championship side. The reality is they have to come in at the second qualifying round because they're absolute guff.


^ That was only last season,look at the last 10 seasons and you will see Celtic have done really well beating some of the best teams in europe so I dont think our game is as bad as some would suggest.

On the decline, same as English football. Without the foreign players the best of the English Clubs would be about the same as Rangers or Celtic. Not a lot to shout about is it?

That's a different argument. Granted English players are absolute crap. There isn't a single player among them with a smidgen of on-field intelligence. We get to paper over the cracks by buying some half decent players and hyping it up with Sky.

It's hard to see what joy can be gained from the rest of Scottish football though. And this is coming from a Crewe fan, so I know my utter tripe.

Does it at least mean loads of kids are being given a chance in the first teams, or are Scottish clubs still buying loads of foreigners, just worse ones?

Scottish football is an absolute shambles. Run by idiots, fans deserting it in their droves and quality on the field is abysmal

Scottish football is dire and we all know it as now we cant afford the decent foreigners or even half decent as they get snapped up by EPL teams on higher wages.Celtic are now a team who buy young players and hope to sell on at a profit ( we are led to believe its the way ahead ) but the profit is only going in greedy pockets.Dont get me wrong we have been quite lucky with some buys lately but also ulucky with players like Bangura , Juarez , Rasmussen who alone cost about 7 million.

Hopefully St Johnstone can get past Rosenberg

Hibs 7-0 down what a shambles.Celtic have the Swedish champs next round

too much scrumpy

an excellent fishing thread

Nothing wrong in supporting The Railwaymen. Hope you have a good season.

Malmo got Swansea next.

7-0 . fair enough i thought Malmo would pass them easy in 3 legs but 9-0 already is a disgrace at any level

Jul 25, 2013 -- 9:26PM, TheChaser wrote:

7-0 . fair enough i thought Malmo would pass them easy in 3 legs but 9-0 already is a disgrace at any level

Hibs could come back in the 3rd leg.

Any manager that thinks James McPake is a good player and also makes him captain needs his head examining.

Malmo beat the old Rangers 2 seasons ago at Ibrox. Did anyone really think Hibs would stand a chance?

cj70 lol 3rd fooking legs

to be fair St.Johnstone look like they are going to knock out Rosenberg the Norwegian champs .

Swedish teams are not so bad , Helsinborg last season had many chances against Celtic but never took any.

madvlad i think molde are champs

celtic can get molde im sure in the last champs league qualifier

apologies TheChaser.

still a cracking result though

well done the Saints mind you they'll probably be out next round

Minsk next round for St Johnstone. Good chance to progress.

^ you thought that this round

Giorgios Samaras is a star of SPL tells you everything you need to know. Sh1te player Sh1te league

Sammy was a mug for years up here , we just put up with him now

Tore Andre Flo EPL SUPERSTAR  spl failure

Thomas Gravesen mug up here

Samaras isn't a star in the SPL he hardly ever scores but he does the job in Europe

Rosenburg budget 20 times Saint Johnstones. Great result.

Juninho mug up here , superstar in Middlesborugh

Sorry im letting my hatred for GS blind my judgement... But imo the league needs Rangers back. It made it interesting

Rangers may be back in 2 year but they seem to spend more than many spl teams.when surely they should be able to pick the best youngsters in Scotland for free and let them have a shot

I am an Irish catholic btw and no Rangers fan.... I like Hibs as the manager was manager of Shelbourne fc during our most successful spell. Its true about Rangers they overspend especially on non scots to the detriment of the national team

Great result for St Johnstone over Norwegian leaders, hope they can do Minsk,

Champions of England last season couldn't get out of group stages and no other EPL team bettered Celtics last 16 and none beat the memories of ending Barcas spell on the world. Do you really think a top 6 championship club could do that???

Fantastic result for St Johnstone. Well done to all concerned.

joe i think Brighton would do do Barca and Spartak Moscow easy

The Saints will now be on the p1ss and tough for next weeks games

What was the aggregate score for St Johnstone please

Probably a bigger shock tonight is Utrecht going out to a side from Luxembourg.

I take it Derry didnt beat Trabzonspor then?

Linfield look like they're going through. A goal up in extra time. Derry got beat 0-3 in the end up, faded late in the second half against a very good side.

texas 2-1 1-1 tonight and 0-1 in rosenborg

Linfield going to fall short

Thanks winner winner and chaser.   Seems an awful long time since Shamrock Rovers were leading Spurs in a europa group match. A disaster for league of ireland clubs this season

When was it Shamrock qualified for groups

Just last season but with all the losses this year it makes it a distant memory

Surely Celtic should only play 1 or 2 two legged ties to qualify. lets be honest Cliftonville had no chance against them.

used to be 1 straight in only 5-6 year ago maybe then more and more qualifiers appear.only good thing is we cant get hit with any german,spanish,english teams etc

when it was one qualifier we ended up with arsenal , but with champions group makes it easier for celtic.still a wee tricky teams but effsborg next then see what happenes

the system they have now is very fair. Champions are awarded and countries rewarded as a hole for performance.Celtics good show last season will see irs rewards next season and so they will go in at last qualifying round i think.

Hopefully you win it and with St johnstone KO'ing Rosenburg Scotland should move up UEFAs rankings and it will be easier to qualify next year

Hoping the saints can get in the groups also and also Celtic need champions league this season at worst 3rd in group and then drop in Europa,But Europa from the start would be a killer

Did Motherwell fail to get a UEFA license or something. Any time I looked at the SPL table last year they were in or around 2nd-3rd

I havent heard anything about them playing in Europe

Motherwell play  Kuban Krasnodar.

Thats a harsh draw. Ive never seen them play but id say they more than likely have a rich owner.

Yep, very tough, much richer than Motherwell, but, if St. Johnstone can ko Rosenborg then anything can happen.
Hope they do well, all helps the co-efficient.

5th in Russia last season , Be very tough over there

Most Scottish teams have no money to spend, so the quality is going to be lacking when most of the promising youngsters head off to warm benches in England for quadruple the wages they'd get for staying and playing in Scotland.

Whatever happened to Chris Maguire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afOQ9j8lcX4

most SPL teams are on the verge of bankruptcy with celtic the only team making any money, and that's only because they can win the league and qualify for the CL every season now that they have got rid of rangers.

You only have to look through the SPL top scorers to see what sort of level it's at.

Michael Higdon - did nothing at Crewe
Leigh Griffiths - now at Wolves in league one
Billy McKay - 27 goals last season, but prior to that scored 16 in 84 games for league 2 Northampton
Niall McGinn - 21 goals last season, but the season before scored 5 in 37 for league one Brentford

It seems to have regressed so much in a year, since Hearts only lost by the odd goal to Liverpool over two legs. Hibs fans always go on about European "tradition"...

But when it came to the crunch they got absolutely pasted 5-0 by an average Juventus side.

Celtic applied themselves admirably in the first leg. Looked the better team imo, but got mugged off by Lichtsteiner and just couldn't put their many chances away. And no Championship team would've held the flood back, let alone beat them. Celtic probably are top 6 Championship standard overall, but at home in Europe, more like top 7 EPL.

Jul 26, 2013 -- 11:44AM, Alias wrote:

It seems to have regressed so much in a year, since Hearts only lost by the odd goal to Liverpool over two legs. Hibs fans always go on about European "tradition"...

Probably more to do with the weakness of Liverpool at the time. The round before Liverpool were completely outplayed by a Gomel side who were concentrating on the league.

In my post, I meant Barcelona's would-be flood.

Don't know enough about Higdon and McKay's early careers to comment on them.

Griffiths signed for Wolves when they were in the Prem, just been up here on loan. He'll do fine if Wolves actually gave him a game, especially in League 1 - as far as I know he's never played for them.

McGinn was known more as a winger than a striker before last season, playing him up front was either a stroke of genius or a lucky gamble that paid off on the part of our manager. Couldn't tell you where he played for Brentford tbf, but I'd imagine he'd have been out on the wing.

Sometimes stats can only tell you so much.

Higdon was very mediocre at Crewe. He always looked like he might make a player of sorts but was a target for the Gresty Road boo boys from very early on in his Alex career. To be honest his main problem was he wasn't either of the players he was trying to replace, Rob Hulse or Dean Ashton.

How good is English football?

Not very, going by today's scores.

Charlton     0 - 1     Inverness
Stockport     0 - 1     St. Mirren
Wigan             0 - 1     Dundee U.

Someone's forgotten how Hearts got absolutely annihilated at home v a pre-season, unfit Spurs side with no interest in the UEFA Cup

Platini, CJ70. Methinks you missed the thrust of my thread. Read the last sentence again.

thread = post!

Jul 27, 2013 -- 8:21PM, Alias wrote:

Platini, CJ70. Methinks you missed the thrust of my thread. Read the last sentence again.

You've been far to clever for everybody. Well done.

....wasnt too clever yesterday fell 10 short in total goal spread with just the rangers game today....

OP, as someone who watches Scottish football regularly I can assure you there is very little between 2nd and 11th, certainly not one or two leagues difference as you suggest

Hibernian 0-7 Malmo

Swansea 4-0 Malmo

though St Johnstone look like going further than Malmo

liamcol 27 Jul 13 17:43 
Not very, going by today's scores.

Charlton     0 - 1     Inverness
Stockport     0 - 1     St. Mirren
Wigan             0 - 1     Dundee U




You are aware that Stockport are in the Conference North? That's the SIXTH tier of English football. Not sure St Mirren nicking a 1-0 win proves anything for Scottish football.

Inverness result was a surprise but Charlton did beat St Mirren 4-0 a couple of weeks before that.

Analysing pre season friendly results

Liverpool 1st team 0 Celtic reserves and youths 1

better than Liverpool - CONFIRMED