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Lots of discussion of possibilities when the Germans got das boot.
Good luck to you, wherever you end up
ANd how the Germans punters live their lives?
How can one make profit by using common bookies????
WE ARE OFFICIALLY DOOMED.
Betfair will take 5 on standard commission.
Greek Government will claim 10% of the 'winnings'. For them winnings is everything stake+profit
So the Greek taxman will get 20.
So you are left with 75 winnings. Aka 25% charge
The shocking scale of tax dodging in Greece was laid bare yesterday in a report showing that professionals are among the worst offenders.
The study found that self-employed Greeks evaded a staggering £22.4billion of tax in 2009 – almost half the size of the country’s deficit in 2008 and a third of the shortfall in 2009.
The chief offenders were doctors, engineers, private tutors, accountants, people in financial services and lawyers, according to the report by economists at Booth School of Business at the University of Chicago.
It came as Greek ministers held talks with the troika of inspectors from the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund over its emergency aid.
Good luck with your mission.
Greece suffered for many years the worst case of cronyism by political parties hiring voters as public servants. The two main political parties Pasok (Central-Left) and Nea Dimokratia (Central-Right) hired literally 100,000's of voters into the public sector will no qualifications besides being a voter.
Are you aware that once one got hired into the public sector they were made for life? No possibility of getting fired. Public servant for life no matter what. Even for convicted criminals they hardly fired anyone, only in the most extreme of cases.
So what happened when Greece got into the Eurozone? Free money happened. They could borrow at the same rates as Germany basically. So instead of rationalising and reforming the public sector they kept giving them more money and hiring more voters.
Who rational individual making ends meet in the private sector working endless of hours, would want to give half his money back to a system build to feed the cronies of the political parties? Not me. Not anyone with half a brain.
So saying that Greeks don't pay taxes is half the story. The whole story is they don't want the government to redistribute their wealth to the cronies of the political parties leeching off of the corrupt Greek public sector.
This bill is another joke protecting the government monopoly on gamble through its former company OPAP. Which is supposedly being privatise right now, but in reality is filled with partisan cronies who want to keep getting paid without doing nothing, so any sight of free-market would destroy them.
Nov 27, 2012 -- 10:36AM, Marxist-Leninist wrote:
The Greeks and paying tax...The shocking scale of tax dodging in Greece was laid bare yesterday in a report showing that professionals are among the worst offenders.The study found that self-employed Greeks evaded a staggering £22.4billion of tax in 2009 – almost half the size of the country’s deficit in 2008 and a third of the shortfall in 2009.The chief offenders were doctors, engineers, private tutors, accountants, people in financial services and lawyers, according to the report by economists at Booth School of Business at the University of Chicago.It came as Greek ministers held talks with the troika of inspectors from the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund over its emergency aid.
Sounds like our Tory Government, getting rid of taxes they didn't like paying.
Nov 27, 2012 -- 11:06AM, Biscuit1979 wrote:
agaz i have to say your English is pretty impressive for a Greek bloke. You speak (or write) better English than about 90% of the English people on this forum.
Thanks for the good words, but my English is rather average. Having an MSc from the University of Manchester might add to my qualifications, but not as much as I hoped. Wasted money
http://www.purevpn.com/
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender
The thing about us Brits is we never give up. The likes of Achilles, Ajax, Odysseus et al will be turning in their graves.
I am not a geek but there are some on here who could tell you more about the process of getting a VPN. In simple terms I am led to believe that you go through it and log on to Betfair. It will hide your IP address from the Government spys and blockers.
Have a loook on the German thread about this same subject. I posted a conversation with a computer geek friend of mine and go have a look at the link at the top of this post.
Nil desperandum
oh and
Carry on Gambling!
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Nov 27, 2012 -- 11:57AM, Marxist-Leninist wrote:
agaz, if you think accountants, bankers and lawyers work endless hours or are avoiding taxes as some sort of protest against politicians you must be mad. They don't pay any tax because they want to keep all of their money.
I think the leftist ideology of the last 30 years that mainly governed Greece turned us into a soviet type democracy of big government business and destroyed any real investments coming and creating wealth. Every major investment is always blocked in courts by leftists and environmentalists with far-left agendas.
So yeah, any leftist loon can blame the financial industry for cheating on taxes and making a situation worse, but in reality most people right now have to avoid taxes to survive. Almost 1 million jobs were lost in the private sector the last few years. It's only getting worse.
We are having a big issue over here with the firing of only 2,000 public servants, the left party in the government coalition is threatening to drop their support if they fire anyone.
And at the same time the same the main leftist opposition party are making promises that whoever is fired from the public sector will be re-hired once they get in power. Pure madness !!!!!!
shall they permit to withdraw money from bf after 5 dec.?
Nov 27, 2012 -- 11:57AM, Marxist-Leninist wrote:
agaz, if you think accountants, bankers and lawyers work endless hours or are avoiding taxes as some sort of protest against politicians you must be mad. They don't pay any tax because they want to keep all of their money.
Here people is somebody that is a wise person.
Spend some time over here and open a British bank account.....not like your short of a few quid is it
Im sure some one will have better knowledge of this than me.
Nov 27, 2012 -- 1:42PM, scaredmoney wrote:
Agaz seems pretty clued up on it
If a Greek resident is discussing how to use betfair on a public forum then they are not very smart. Hopefully the smart ones will have acted months ago as this is not new news, no way was it ever going to be viable for betfair to continue to openly operate in Greece.
Nov 27, 2012 -- 1:51PM, scaredmoney wrote:
I think agaz said earlier that his contingency plan was already in place,shirley
Please excuse me if I cannot be bothered to read every word typed here. Good on him but silly if he is going to do it.
Also I am leaving for Scotland for vacation on Thursday for 1 week...Any idea of what can I do there? Is it easy to open a bank account there?
Nov 27, 2012 -- 2:06PM, bloomy08 wrote:
Ι have a bank account in USA...Do you know if this will work? Or do I have to pay tax to USA for my winnings...Also I am leaving for Scotland for vacation on Thursday for 1 week...Any idea of what can I do there? Is it easy to open a bank account there?
IRS will definitely tax you if they even let you withdraw gambling winnings, I cant be sure but I think that unless you make your bets in Nevada or Antlantic city New Jersey then the us govt will not be happy
I would have thought it would be easy for a member of a EU country to open a basic debit card account in another EU country
Its not the Greek people who are to blame - it's the politicians who destroyed it. Cronyism taken to extremes - it leaves people who would otherwise obey the rules and pay their tax with no option other than to cheat the system themselves.
At least I believe we can use the forum...
