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By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:17
how about you saying what you think and me saying what I think, far easier, instead of veiled threats.
By:
Denman The Destroyer
When: 13 Sep 12 20:19
Who mentioned threats,i will be at the liverpool v united game a week on sunday,i am sure you are a proper match going fan so lets get together and debate further,yeah?
By:
rothko
When: 13 Sep 12 20:19
to suggest that the families have taken this fight on for 23 years for monetary compensation is just twisted
I suppose in your sick head something like that may be a possibility but that really says more about you. The dignity and courage which the likes of Trevor Hicks has shown has been a lesson to us all
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:20
shut up Denman you idiot, ever been to Heysel?
By:
elise
When: 13 Sep 12 20:20
regardless of the opinion and the rights & wrongs, people died; personally i think a bit of respect is called for and this thread is a disgrace
By:
Denman The Destroyer
When: 13 Sep 12 20:21
i dont think i need add anymore to that.
By:
Ghostdog
When: 13 Sep 12 20:21
Read the report, you had 'relatives' making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground.

And the Law Society in the report you quoted is supporting a change in the law to allow that. For cases of genuine mental trauma, not just upset.
Because the law was too restrictive.

The only person calling any claim 'spurious' in this thread is you.

Are you a high court judge? I suspect not.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:22
no you don't, crawl back under your stone now.
By:
Redrebel5
When: 13 Sep 12 20:25
Read the report, you had 'relatives' making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground.

Why did they need to be at the ground ? I was at Hillsborough in The Leppings Lane end. My family & friends found it very traumatic not knowing what happened to me. I was one of the lucky ones. Imagine how traumatised my loved ones would have been had they found out I'd died.

Your putting together a really strange argument.
By:
Denman The Destroyer
When: 13 Sep 12 20:25
elise,some people dont know what respect is.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:27
Your putting together a really strange argument.

I'd find it pretty strange had someone launched a claim like that on the back of me dying, I guess you must have a different idea of 'strange' to that of the rest of humanity.
By:
godlovesyou
When: 13 Sep 12 20:28
Captain Christy, you began as an irritant and became a semi-interesting provocateur. Then you said "Read the report, you had "relatives" making claims for compensation for trauma when they weren't even at the ground."

The "  " is too much. The notion that you have to be present at an event (not withstanding one at which you lost a loved one) to be traumatised by it is the ultimate ugliness. You are being cruel without a good reason.
By:
Ghostdog
When: 13 Sep 12 20:28
Redrebel, he's a fcking troll, I'm sorry I even wasted my time with him.

OP is correct. Everybody who was around then knows it could have happened to any of us.
And how the police lied through their teeth consistently.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:31
It is one thing godlovesyou to be traumatised by something, quite another to then seek to get money out of it, I'll have to leave it there because the attitudes displayed by you lot is frankly unworthy of the victims of Hillsborough and I hope you are all thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.
By:
rothko
When: 13 Sep 12 20:33
Do you believe that the families are actually entitled to compensation or are you saying they aren't

Or are you arguing that no compensation should be paid in any circumstance where there has been unlawful killing
By:
Denman The Destroyer
When: 13 Sep 12 20:35
and you are unworthy to be scraped off the bottom of my shoe.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 13 Sep 12 20:36
FFS captain christy, if you had a family member who was unlawfully killed wouldnt you be seeking some sort of justice..

compensation being part of that...on another note i just heard on the radio k. dalgleish attended every victims funeral.!!

remarkable man imo.
By:
godlovesyou
When: 13 Sep 12 20:37
May I ask whether you're a police officer, Captain?
By:
brngtwt
When: 13 Sep 12 20:38
captain christy, what is your opinion about police on duty that day that recieved compensation for the trauma they endured?
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:40
I can't stand the police godlovesyou and if you bothered to read what I've said I believe it was the police's fault.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:41
brngtwt, they should give the money back.
By:
godlovesyou
When: 13 Sep 12 20:41
Oh I've read what you've said, old chap
By:
Pootle
When: 13 Sep 12 20:43
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What a load of drivel and fairy story that is about me as well, christ you have a vivid imagination fuelled by the chip on your shoulder no doubt.



Its clear in this thread who the people with chips on their shoulders are.

Compensation?
Over a dozen police officers involved received payments totalling nearly 2million after the event for stress.
From the very same police force who have now been found to be part of one of the largest police cover ups in this country, with over 160 statements falsified to get themselves off the hook

When Trevor Hicks talks about bringing people responsible to court, he is not in any shape or form talking about financial compensation, he is talking about LEGAL JUSTICE and ACCOUNTABILITY - there is a difference.
Its about seeing those responsible, held accountable and punished - yes punished, doctoring evidence is illegal, if you or I did it we'd face consequences. There are people who should be jailed over it, given the extent, as that is what would happen to none police officers.


Will some families then seek financial compensation down the line, I, like you, have absolutely no idea, perhaps some will and they would be entirely justified in doing so (especially given the FA, and its lack of safety certificate) the same way police did, but to suggest it has been any kind of motivating factor in the past 23 years when time after time the HJC has turned down large cash offers from the Sun for example, is ridiculous.

You are either judging others by your own low standards or you are trolling.

Or maybe you just dont understand, and from this post I think that is the case -
Captain Christy
Trevor Hicks, the chairman of the HSFG, said that the group would pursue legal action against those involved at South Yorkshire Police and elsewhere if the state does not.
Hicks, who lost two daughters at Hillsborough, told BBC's Newsnight programme: "If I come back to David Cameron's statement [to MPs], he said quite categorically that the state had let us down.
"So we will give the state the opportunity to put that right.
"But if it looks as though they're not going to do that, then we will do as we've done before and we'll take it out of their hands."


You think this is evidence of seeking financial compensation ?
Sorry, wrong.
Pursuing Legal action does not mean pursuing compensation.

Hopefully I have cleared that up for you.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:45
Pinpointing those responsible is the first stage of a claim for compensation, lets not be naive.
By:
brngtwt
When: 13 Sep 12 20:46
Pootle, spot on.
By:
rothko
When: 13 Sep 12 20:46
do you believe they are entitled to compensation?
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 13 Sep 12 20:46
Why are people still arguing with this clown?
By:
berto77
When: 13 Sep 12 20:46
Pretty diabolical stuff CC.  So dis respectful.  I really hope you don't believe half of what you've posted.
By:
godlovesyou
When: 13 Sep 12 20:47
It began with quite salient if provocative stuff and then sank to something bordering prejudice. Written by someone inordinately pre-occupied with money himself.
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:50
The whole 'money' issue is almost the whole reason why they were covering it up in the first bleedin' place, now you are asking about the compensation, fcuk the compensation, just prosecute those responsible.
By:
rothko
When: 13 Sep 12 20:52
captain

you are so wrong its off the scale. the reason they covered it up is so they didnt end up in prison or sacked or dxisgraced
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 13 Sep 12 20:54
i say pay trile the compensation as an example for any others wanting to try to cover it up.

i will speak from experience that my recent award didnt cover the "cover up"....it should have and i thought the judge was being a bit kind on them
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:54
Oh right then, so it is ok if they are now sent to prison, sacked or disgraced?
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 13 Sep 12 20:56
or how about sharing their pensions with the families...their back wages should be paid back too imo

whilst those lying ****s are sitting behind bars
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 13 Sep 12 20:56
the first duty of goverment is the protection of it's citizens, via the police the goverment failed in that duty so I say own up and cough up.
By:
rothko
When: 13 Sep 12 20:57
absolutely captain those responsible and still alive should also be prosecuted for corruption and doctoring evidence as well
By:
Captain Christy
When: 13 Sep 12 20:58
and that's it, no subsequent pursuit of compensation will follow?
By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 13 Sep 12 20:59
surely if the state was at fault they will have to pay out anyways.

if a company was found at fault for deaths they would have to pay out.
By:
rothko
When: 13 Sep 12 20:59
do you think they are entitled to compensation?
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 13 Sep 12 21:00
I do personally
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