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*Vacating the space or risk losing the ball in those areas when teams swiftly worked out he'd dribble from there.
I'm making a very narrow point that seems to be getting lost in alot of noise. For that specific role in that specific team I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that: A) Carrick could come in and slot seamlessly into that barcelona side B) That both he and Busquets are better suited to the overall betterment of that side in that role than Toure. To say that Toure can do everything that Carrick can do and better is like saying Rooney can do everything Roy Keane could do and better.... don't see Rooney making a better midfield general anytime soon. |
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Hate the cliche 'quarter back position'.
However this is a totally different position than a defensive midfielder. Players like Pirlo and Xabi Alonso are top in these positions, far better players than Carrick to be honest. These players almosy always need a work horse alongside them to give them the ball. Busquets is a pure DM and far and away the best in the world at it. In my opinion he is as good a defensive midfielder as Makelele was with the ability of someone like Riquelme on the ball. He is a phenomenal player. |
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it's groundhog day on this thread
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Aye, neither does Mascherano. Do one you demented bat.
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Mascherano is a better DM than Carrick and has been a great signing for Barcelona.
You are right in the point that he is not nearly as good on the ball as Busquets, hence why he is now seen as a centre half. This thread with you comparing Busquets and Carrick may be your lowest point R0y. Which really does say something. |
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Ability of someone like Riquelme on the ball.
ffsIf you wanted to make a comparison, you could have mentioned one of the most under rated players in the last 20 years...Fernando Redondo. But Biscuits will never have his class ever |
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Carrick is good enough for Barca is he?
aye ive heard some shyte on this forum over the years but that is....  did he get a kick in the 2 finals? |
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This JamDav príck is as patronising as they come on here,Tried telling me as a fact that Rio,Vidic and even phil jones were far superior defenders to Chris Smalling,
absolute clown. |
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Pacho Maturana: “For me, Sergio Busquets is the best player in the world. He never plays badly, always solves all the problems.”
oh dear,that just totally ruins whatever credibility them quotes had, to begin with |
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perhaps they meant Barcelona B. Guardiola said a couple years ago they didnt even rate Wilshere that highly, they had better players in the youth team over there. Hed laugh in your face if u told him carrick was good enough for their midfield
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That type of comment sums up your knowledge of the game,So Busquets is world class,and Smalling is average,Go have a lie down.
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jesus wept. you re saying Smalling who isnt even a man u regular is now on a par with Busquets is he? a guy who has a cabinet full of medals for club and country ffs
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Busquets is a fantastic player.A snidy cheat who goes down way too easily(not the only player) but a fantastic player.
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CheltenhamRoar 15 Jan 13 13:24
This JamDav príck is as patronising as they come on here,Tried telling me as a fact that Rio,Vidic and even phil jones were far superior defenders to Chris Smalling, absolute clown. Does any United fan think that Rio and Vidic are not superior defenders to Smalling? I think even Smalling would tell you they're superior defenders. |
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If Carrick was called Carrickinho and played for Barca/Madrid then he'd be labelled as the best centre midfielder in the world right now. People don't rate him highly purely because he is English and is playing for United.
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Replying to Roy here: I rate Toure as a better player than Carrick in a position that he has regularly played in over the course of his career. Talking about wingers or comparing Roy Keane with Rooney is a complete strawman argument. Toure has played the role behind Iniesta and Xavi and won the lot.
I cannot think of anything that Carrick can do that Toure can't, but there are things that Toure can do that Carrick cannot. And yes, I do rate him highly and I think he might be the best all-round player about (for the clowns, that doesn't mean I think he is the best player full-stop.) |
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Toure has played the role behind Iniesta and Xavi and won the lot.
Mashcerano has played at center back at won the lot...yet he can't defend and is an average center back. Toure is a bloody good player...he's hardly going to struggle to play in that team in that midfield is he. Still think the likes of Carrick, Busquets and Alonso far better suited to the overall balance of the team even though they are all arguably worse players when toure can be bothered. Not really a strawman argument whatever that is...I can give you countless examples of players having more ability in almost every area than another but not being as effective in a certain role as others. Anyhow I believe we have exhausted this one? Onwards. |
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Return_Of_Dawsy 15 Jan 13 21:09
If Carrick was called Carrickinho and played for Barca/Madrid then he'd be labelled as the best centre midfielder in the world right now. Unlikely. Barca/Real have better midfielders than Carrick on their subs benches. |
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carrick is a bit like scholes never truely valued in england, scholes only ever got the praise he deserved in recent years despite being the best player to ever grace the premiership. carricks credibility was ruined by both champions league finals against barcelona, in 09 he was identified by xavi as uniteds main threat and clearly targeted by both xavi and iniesta who ruthlessly pressed him throughout and never gave him a sniff in 11 champs league final as barcelona formed a triangle around him containing Messi Iniesta and Xavi,officially the world's best three players at the time according to FIFA, the criticism was unfair as it wasnt only carrick but the team who massively under performed. if carrick performs aswel as he can in the next round of the champs league maybe he wil start to get the praise he deserves
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