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He would be a better DM than Carrick.
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I don't think there is anything Carrick can do better than Yaya Toure, not one single aspect of his game imo.
That goes for Busquets as well. They sold him coz Busquets is a good replacement, he plays the role very well and they could make £30m quid and not really be any weaker for it. But Toure is a superior player in every respect. You (Jamdav) won't agree, but there we go. |
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Personally I'd say Carrick has a better range of passing from deep as well as a greater sense of where to sniff out danger.
Yaya may be more physically capable to compensate for the lack of anticipation but I don't think he would ever have the desire to perform the role. I don't think utd would be improved by having toure in place of carrick and no other changes at all. Do you also think he's better than alonso in that position out of interest? I assume so. |
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Barca were struggling with debt, they got to cash in, Pep seen a player similar to himself in Biscuits and he wanted him in the team
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Barca have never sold a player as they are struggling with debt.
£27m for Toure when he was the second choice DM was too good to turn down. R0y Carrick has a better range of passing than Busquets and Toure but that is it, he is vastly inferior in other areas and would not be anywhere near good enough to play Barcelona's passing game. |
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You come off as a bit patronising JamDav.
I watched them both play for Barca, I'm sure many of us here enjoy watching Barca games and watch them regularly. I know I do. And I don't see anything that Busquets does in a superior fashion to Yaya Toure when he played behind Xavi and Iniesta. I have a sneaky feeling that they won a few trophies with Yaya in that position. |
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the dza 14 Jan 13 22:56 Joined: 06 Apr 05 | Topic/replies: 6,866 | Blogger: the dza's blog You come off as a bit patronising JamDav.  understatement! |
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R0y Carrick has a better range of passing than Busquets and Toure but that is it,
The only point I'm making is that with this range of passing he'd slot in very nicely. I think he'd actually do a better job than Toure even though toure is the better player when he can be bothered. |
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Yes, I also think he's better than Alonso in that position (to Roy). Toure's passing is tremendous, see City's recent game against Newcastle for a couple of good examples. He has superb vision and technique, physically is a beast, excellent dribbler (certainly compared to others mentioned), is a good tackler and has good defensive attributes, as well as his obvious quality going forward.
If I had to play Toure, Alonso, Carrick or Busquets as my centre-half for an entire season, I would pick Toure. Which would tell you how I rate his defensive attributes. |
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Jam, who would you rather have been biscuits and De Rossi for example? as a defensive midfielder
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Busquets easily.
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easily
The Euros proved otherwise, De Rossi easily one of the best in the comp and capable of covering many positions. Saying easily just comes across as rather idiotic tbh |
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IMO, Busquets was starting ahead of Toure due to Toure being primed for a move (cashing in) and Busquets being groomed as his replacement. That's sensible management, but I don't necessarily think it means the coach thinks Busquets is the much better player.
My opinion, obviously. |
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God I do wonder about you sometimes Jam.... But do carry one, its rather funny you posting your "opinion" around every thread you enter as if its a fact.....The fact you can look objectivity on anything will always let you down
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Maybe take a step back and go re read your posts on any thread you nugget, you come across as a patronising prick, where you barca_fan_4life or whatever his name was, alter ego imao
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Move on winner winner and stop crying patronising when you having nothing left to add to the conversation.
Some Busi quotes to help you see the light - ESPN FC BLOGS ESPNFC United Kicking and Screaming Relegation Zone Monday Musings Tactics and Analysis La Liga The Toe Poke The Boot Room Fantasy Picks Five Aside The Scout's Notebook On the Move Football Africa Soccer USA CLUB BLOGS Premier League Clubs Arsenal Aston Villa Chelsea Everton Fulham Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Newcastle United Norwich City Queens Park Rangers Reading Southampton Stoke City Sunderland Swansea City Tottenham West Bromwich Albion West Ham United Wigan European Clubs AC Milan AS Roma Barcelona Bayern Munich Celtic Inter Milan Juventus Paris Saint-Germain Rangers Real Madrid Sep 22 12:55 AM BST Love him or hate him, Sergio Busquets is a genius Posted by Francesc Tomas RECOMMEND60TWEET9EMAIL Sergio Busquets has established himself as a key man capable of collecting 14 titles with Barcelona and the highly-prestigious World Cup and European Championships with Spain within just four seasons of his professional debut. However, the Catalan midfielder is still one of the most underrated footballers in the world, loved and hated in equal measure. I honestly can't understand why. Doubters believed Pep Guardiola promoted Sergio from our Barcelona B team back in 2008 simply because of his friendship with dad Carles, his former Blaugrana teammate during Johan Cruyff's Dream Team era. They couldn't have been further from the truth, according to his instant impact in a team already full of talented play-makers such as Xavi, Iniesta, Yaya Toure or Keita. Sergio Busquets went on to make 41 appearances in his first professional season, developing dynamic partnerships in the middle of the field which allowed Xavi and Iniesta to advance their positions and rotate much more freely. The result? Barcelona went on to complete the most successful season in our over 110 years of history, winning each and every one of the 6 competitions we entered in 2008/09, including La Liga, Champions League and the Club World Cup. His tremendous achievements at Barcelona didn't go unnoticed for long. Vicente Del Bosque was quick to realize Busquets was the missing link in Spain's midfield and pretty much followed Guardiola's lead when building his team for the 2010 World Cup, taking our Barcelona formation as the basis for La Roja. The result? Spain came back home with the legendary golden trophy after Sergio played every match in the biggest competition in world football. Despite the fact that Busquets has just started his 5th professional season, he has already made 198 appearances for the Blaugranas thanks to his brilliant footballing mind. When in possession, Sergio is able to either retain the ball (which inevitably attracts many fouls) or find quick passes into space. He knows how to pace the game, often mixing short passes to Xavi or Iniesta, wide openings to the wings and through passes to Messi. When defending, he gets to those loose second balls before anyone else, reading the plays before they actually happen. The biggest names in our beloved sport seem agree, as the following quotes prove: Pep Guardiola: “Busquets is the best defensive central midfielder in the world. He's tactically very strong and will only become more important for Barcelona in the future. He can follow in the footsteps of Carles Puyol and Xavi. He's very humble and calm, but doesn't mind speaking up when he sees fit either. If I was reincarnated as a player, I'd like to be like him." Vicente Del Bosque: "If I were a player, I would like to be like Busquets." Xavi: “Without Busquets, Barcelona and Spain could never had achieved what we have achieved” Pacho Maturana: “For me, Sergio Busquets is the best player in the world. He never plays badly, always solves all the problems.” Cesar Luis Menotti: “The first time I saw Busquets playing, I called a friend and said: ‘I saw a player from an extinct species’. An absolute talent.” Winner Winner: "He is not a patch on Carrick or De Rossi" |
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I'm not making thing up Jam, I quite clearly said it's my opinion. You could be right for all I know, but Toure himself complained of being ignored by Guardiola etc. Things aren't always black and white and if a club is planning on cashing in on an expendable asset because they have a good youngster coming through, then it's not that much of a far-fetched scenario.
I don't think every youngster that comes in and takes the place of a first-teamer is necessarily thought of as a better player by the coach at that time. Much of the time (imo), it's because the coach thinks it's the best move for the club in the long term; the older player can be sold for good money and the youngster can develop into a quality player by getting the game time he needs. |
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The quotes are high praise indeed, but this one is debatable, surely?
Xavi: “Without Busquets, Barcelona and Spain could never had achieved what we have achieved” Barca won the lot without Busquets and Spain won Euro 2008 with Senna as the defensive midfielder. Now if Xavi had said that about himself or Iniesta, I'd be inclined to agree... |
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i think it's a coincidence that the posters who rate carrick have watched him play at their clubs and can appreciate what he brings to a team.
re the carrick/busquets debate, imo busquets is a much better fit for barca than carrick would be. |
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Once again Jam fails to see another opinion/ totally misses the point....I merely laughed at you saying easily but coming from you its no surprise...Maybe when you get your dick out of all things Barca/Spain related you can reason with people....
You do show yourself up to be an idiot most times you post on here.... |
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Would it be juvenile of me to say that Busquets is a horrible big fanny of a player, who while bringing superb artisan qualities to his game, has a rancid attitude and has resorted to the lowest forms of cheating on too many occasions for me to have any respect whatsoever for him as a footballer ?
Give me Gaz Baz of Carrick over him any day ! Re the Yaya argument ... Mancinci has moulded him into a completely different player who transcends any of the read the game and give it simple stuff that Busquets is good at, so comparisons are fairly pointless nowadays .... Busquets will never score and create as many goals as Yaya or will he maraud his way through an entire teams defence all by himself. Yaya will never have the defensive discipline required to perform to Busquets level as a DM .... I know who I'd rather pay my money to go and see though and luckily enough its Yaya. |
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Well, I conceed there then Jam. Guardiola thought he was better...but I don't.
 Same as I thought Modric was an over-rated player for Spurs and not an upgrade on Alonso. Jose should have called me and saved himself a few quid. Then again, I once thought Andy Caroll might be a decent buy for Spurs, so I clearly don't know it all  (my profit/loss would provide further evidence of that...)So my final say: 1. Toure (Yaya) 2. Busquets 3. Carrick |
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De Rossi does not charge about, only when he has to.....But under pressure he is calm, driving forward he can do that and passing/shooting excellent....If he played for Barcelona he would fit in like a hand in a glove....One plays for Barca, the other Roma and that makes a big difference...Imo, his performance against Spain in the opening game of the Euros was one of the best individual performances of the tournament and showed his pedigree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ4Kdl08nP8 Played as a sweeper in that game and set many things up as well as defending...Watch and and tell me different though... |
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De Rossi is a much more complete player than any of the others mentioned on this thread to be fair, I maybe have missed something with Busquets but DDR can do a bit of everything while SB is purely a DM whose job is made relatively simple by having several of the best players in the world in front of him everytime he plays ....
Plus DDR is an absolute warrior who I've never seen rolling around like an avon lady in an attempt to get his opponents sent off. |
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"Easily" if given that chance
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Clearly you watch him much more than I do so I'm happy to defer, like Man U fans will tell you how great Carrick is and I think that Gareth Barry is a class footballer who is ridiculously maligned by most casual observers I suppose ...
I still maintain Busquets has been a cynical cheat and should be embarrassed at some of his behaviour over the last few years though ... |
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the dza
14 Jan 13 22:59 Joined: 06 Apr 05 | Topic/replies: 6,875 | Blogger: the dza's blog Yes, I also think he's better than Alonso in that position (to Roy). Toure's passing is tremendous, see City's recent game against Newcastle for a couple of good examples. He has superb vision and technique, physically is a beast, excellent dribbler (certainly compared to others mentioned), is a good tackler and has good defensive attributes, as well as his obvious quality going forward. If I had to play Toure, Alonso, Carrick or Busquets as my centre-half for an entire season, I would pick Toure. Which would tell you how I rate his defensive attributes. Center back is a completely different thing. I'm talking about the quarter back position in deep midfield. I think he's a good passer and very comfortable in tight spaces but I don't think he's the sort of player that dictates a game with his passing. He's normally very positive with his passing which again with that role the balance might be off. The fact he can dribble is irrelevant. The sort of areas you'd want him on the ball in that role you really would not want him dribbling and vacating the space. I think you just really rate Toure and as a result would have him over most in just about any position.I'm assuming you think he'd be a better winger than pretty much everyone bar Bale? Better striker than everyone bar the top few...etc... |