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Amazing, more concise and more information-packed than our own... direct.gov.uk
http://www.benefity.org.uk/
http://www.zasilkianglia.com/
http://benefity-uk.co.uk/
Soo many websites... it's a populat subject with the 1,000,000+ Polish living here
http://www.benefity.org.uk/
http://www.zasilkianglia.com/
http://benefity-uk.co.uk/
Soo many websites... it's a populat subject with the 1,000,000+ Polish living here
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yeah, lazy feckers, coming over here working sh!tty jobs the local chavs wouldn't touch for 10 hours a day...
no, wait.
no, wait.
The immigrants who come in and do the sh!tty jobs are totally unneccesary.
All any government has ever had to do is force the chavs and layabouts into seeing work as neccessary and not an option. By that I mean make life on the scroung untolerable/close to impossible.
We should be more like the Australians pick the skilled people we want (Dr's etc) and kick the rest to the curb.
All any government has ever had to do is force the chavs and layabouts into seeing work as neccessary and not an option. By that I mean make life on the scroung untolerable/close to impossible.
We should be more like the Australians pick the skilled people we want (Dr's etc) and kick the rest to the curb.
They are hard working.
Which is more than can be said for the chav scroats in this country.
Which is more than can be said for the chav scroats in this country.
Problem is we have let the lazy underclass breed and they wont touch the jobs the hard working Poles will do.
Plus the women are world class fit and they do love to ---- - ----
Plus the women are world class fit and they do love to ---- - ----
If they are so hard working, why do they need these benefits sites ?
I'm sorry i don't believe 100% of the 2Million+ Unemployed people in this country are lazy scrotes.
The Poles work minimum wage.. but they offset whatever tax they pay, with the low-income benefits. the council housing..
It's also proven they take 2Billion out of our economy because they send their money home!!
Guarantee there's a Polish shop near you.. they're xenophobic about other cultures, they cannot integrate into Britain unless they have their precious shop to buy that **** sausage they eat
The Poles work minimum wage.. but they offset whatever tax they pay, with the low-income benefits. the council housing..
It's also proven they take 2Billion out of our economy because they send their money home!!
Guarantee there's a Polish shop near you.. they're xenophobic about other cultures, they cannot integrate into Britain unless they have their precious shop to buy that **** sausage they eat
ND47
Date Joined: 18 Mar 08
We should be more like the Australians pick the skilled people we want (Dr's etc) and kick the rest to the curb.
Australia isnt in the European Union though
The UK is and has obligations accordingly.
And leaving Europe is not an option for a myriad of reasons from political to economic
The reason it seems like a one way system is most English people dont bother learning a second language, where as the rest of Europe learns English, thus giving them the option of working in multiple countries.
The European Union allows Freedom of movement for workers we only appear to lose out because our young people are incapable of going and working in france / germany.
If people from the UK go abroad to work, its usually to English speaking countris, USA, Canada, Australia, and as they arent in the EU, its less open.
If we bothered more with languages we could export more workers all across Europe. But we are English, and arrogant, and too lazy to bother.
Incidentally unemployment in Spain for 18-24yr olds is around 50%
Which is horrific
Its about 20% here
And around 8% in Scandinavian countries
Date Joined: 18 Mar 08
We should be more like the Australians pick the skilled people we want (Dr's etc) and kick the rest to the curb.
Australia isnt in the European Union though
The UK is and has obligations accordingly.
And leaving Europe is not an option for a myriad of reasons from political to economic
The reason it seems like a one way system is most English people dont bother learning a second language, where as the rest of Europe learns English, thus giving them the option of working in multiple countries.
The European Union allows Freedom of movement for workers we only appear to lose out because our young people are incapable of going and working in france / germany.
If people from the UK go abroad to work, its usually to English speaking countris, USA, Canada, Australia, and as they arent in the EU, its less open.
If we bothered more with languages we could export more workers all across Europe. But we are English, and arrogant, and too lazy to bother.
Incidentally unemployment in Spain for 18-24yr olds is around 50%
Which is horrific
Its about 20% here
And around 8% in Scandinavian countries
Amazing, more concise and more information-packed than our own... direct.gov.uk
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btw, interesting to know you can read polish fluently.
should maybe have made more of your language skills when you were looking for work.
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btw, interesting to know you can read polish fluently.
should maybe have made more of your language skills when you were looking for work.
what info is missing from direct.gov.uk?
seems pretty info packed to me.
seems pretty info packed to me.
The Irish are getting too old so we now we need to Poles.
May i introduce you all to http://www.mojawyspa.co.uk/forum
The premier Polish Community UK forum.
Using the Google Translate.. I've found thousands and thousands of posts from people in Poland, asking questions about their up and comming move to the UK and how to get benefits ASAP.
One interesting trick i've learned.. is you can phone up the job centre, lie and say you're a self-employed cleaner to get a National Insurance Number. Then the world is your oyster, as a FOREIGN Eu national.
The premier Polish Community UK forum.
Using the Google Translate.. I've found thousands and thousands of posts from people in Poland, asking questions about their up and comming move to the UK and how to get benefits ASAP.
One interesting trick i've learned.. is you can phone up the job centre, lie and say you're a self-employed cleaner to get a National Insurance Number. Then the world is your oyster, as a FOREIGN Eu national.
I find it bizarre that people dont understand the concept of the European Union, and freedom of work movement. Especially if they are a football fan.
There are 27 countries in the European Union, some with higher unemployment than us, some with lower, people are free to seek work, even part time in any of these countries. So if Polish people or Bulgarian or Greek, or Dutch or whoever, can get the offer of a job in the uk, even part time, then legally they can move here, likewise anyone here can get a job in one of those countries and move there, and take their family too.
Granted we dont export footballers, becuase they are also generally too stupid to learn another language, yet you get someone like, Dietmar Hamman, and he can speak 5 languages.
I'm not advocating learning more languages by the way, after all the language of business is generally English. I just think people need to understand the reasoning.
I guess we could isolate ourselves and remove ourselves from the European Union, but I think that might prove unwise.
There are 27 countries in the European Union, some with higher unemployment than us, some with lower, people are free to seek work, even part time in any of these countries. So if Polish people or Bulgarian or Greek, or Dutch or whoever, can get the offer of a job in the uk, even part time, then legally they can move here, likewise anyone here can get a job in one of those countries and move there, and take their family too.
Granted we dont export footballers, becuase they are also generally too stupid to learn another language, yet you get someone like, Dietmar Hamman, and he can speak 5 languages.
I'm not advocating learning more languages by the way, after all the language of business is generally English. I just think people need to understand the reasoning.
I guess we could isolate ourselves and remove ourselves from the European Union, but I think that might prove unwise.
Pootle - Re: being more like Australia
I accept what your are saying with regards to people from the EU... But what about the rest of the world??? I think it's fair to say that we needn't accept large ammounts of unskilled Africans and Asians.
In truth my comments about being Australia were more wishful thinking then anything else, even if we had the option to do so I doubt our politicians would have the b0110cks
As far the English not learning other languages goes, at worst it is our loss and we are not hurting others by doing so.
As far as Unemployment statistics go, do you trust them??? They definition of what is "unemployed" has and will be adjusted. Add into it all the 18-24 yr olds at the holding pen that is now Uni and it's probably more than 20%.
I accept what your are saying with regards to people from the EU... But what about the rest of the world??? I think it's fair to say that we needn't accept large ammounts of unskilled Africans and Asians.
In truth my comments about being Australia were more wishful thinking then anything else, even if we had the option to do so I doubt our politicians would have the b0110cks
As far the English not learning other languages goes, at worst it is our loss and we are not hurting others by doing so.
As far as Unemployment statistics go, do you trust them??? They definition of what is "unemployed" has and will be adjusted. Add into it all the 18-24 yr olds at the holding pen that is now Uni and it's probably more than 20%.
Pootle in theory that is fine.. however theres a huge gulf in wealth between the east and west.
UK, France and Germany.. all together wouldn't see much migration..
Open the border to those third-world shitholes like Poland and Romania.. we will obviously have a HUGE influx seeking money and NHS.
UK, France and Germany.. all together wouldn't see much migration..
Open the border to those third-world shitholes like Poland and Romania.. we will obviously have a HUGE influx seeking money and NHS.
Poland is hardly a ' third world ' 5hithole.
Its economy is not as big as ours but it's hardly Sierra Leone ffs!
Its economy is not as big as ours but it's hardly Sierra Leone ffs!
We should be more like the Australians pick the skilled people we want (Dr's etc) and kick the rest to the curb.
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Australia getting plenty of unskilled immigrants creeping in via Christmas Island
- they are now starting to feel the force
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Australia getting plenty of unskilled immigrants creeping in via Christmas Island
- they are now starting to feel the force
I like poles rather have them herre than slot of the other s hit Some of the guys are well hard.
Mr Eboue 19 Apr 12 20:55
Poland is hardly a ' third world ' 5hithole.
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No ,but it's still a ****hole
Poland is hardly a ' third world ' 5hithole.
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No ,but it's still a ****hole
Certain naive brits with hippy views are the downfall of this country not the immigrants..
Yes 2+ Million unemplyed are all lazy scrotes who don't want to work.
yes 1,000,000+ EU Immigrants, aint claiming a thing here, all hard working, and spend all their money i the UK
Btw that 1,000,000 figure is rather a Conservative guess
Yes 2+ Million unemplyed are all lazy scrotes who don't want to work.
yes 1,000,000+ EU Immigrants, aint claiming a thing here, all hard working, and spend all their money i the UK
Btw that 1,000,000 figure is rather a Conservative guess
Does anybody believe figures the Government hand out?
Take for example the last cencus.
Do you really think immigrants filled in their cencus forms
They aren't daft enough to admit there is 14 people living in the house.
I would safely say the true population of the U.K. is 20 million more than the Govt.say.(about 80 million),but they could never admit that cos then the true amount of immigration would be known.
Go anywhere in this country now and you are surrounded by foreign nationals from all corners of the world.
There is no immigration policy.
Take for example the last cencus.
Do you really think immigrants filled in their cencus forms
They aren't daft enough to admit there is 14 people living in the house.
I would safely say the true population of the U.K. is 20 million more than the Govt.say.(about 80 million),but they could never admit that cos then the true amount of immigration would be known.
Go anywhere in this country now and you are surrounded by foreign nationals from all corners of the world.
There is no immigration policy.
Britain opened its borders to the eastern European states under Brown, most of the EU didn't.
Brown was an absolute disaster for this country for this and other things he did.
He should be in prison for the damage he has done.
Brown was an absolute disaster for this country for this and other things he did.
He should be in prison for the damage he has done.
Australia the most racist bigoted place I've ever been. Treated like s hit from the moment we arrived. Would never go again
Apr 19, 2012 -- 9:00PM, jermaine defonebox wrote:
I like poles rather have them herre than slot of the other s hit
i hope no one filled in their census form, immigrant or otherwise.
How else do you evangelise the true faith of Jedi?
Sorry.. my third world shithole was a little harsh..
maybe we should open the EU to India then we'd have a huge influx of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis all over here breeding like rabbits in their slum areas claiming what they can
oh wait.....
maybe we should open the EU to India then we'd have a huge influx of Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis all over here breeding like rabbits in their slum areas claiming what they can
oh wait.....
At the start of open borders you got the hard working eastern europeans coming in.No problem with them.
However they have long been overtaken by the criminal and lazy eastern europeans who are only here to scam off society.
This,to an extent is the same for immigrants from the rest of the world.
You tell me which other country i can go to,turn up at the council,get a house,benefits free education,health care etc etc.and not have paid a penny into the state.
However they have long been overtaken by the criminal and lazy eastern europeans who are only here to scam off society.
This,to an extent is the same for immigrants from the rest of the world.
You tell me which other country i can go to,turn up at the council,get a house,benefits free education,health care etc etc.and not have paid a penny into the state.
You tell me which other country i can go to,turn up at the council,get a house,benefits free education,health care etc etc.and not have paid a penny into the state.
He has got a point there tbf
He has got a point there tbf
The problem is not with the open eu borders then, its obviously with the way the welfare system works, stop knocking the people and knock the chickensh it politicians who should get their fingers out and make it harder to claim not just for the Poles but for all and get people back to woek problem is they havent the balls or any ideas how to do it,
The best they can come up with is the slave labour plan with Tescos etc buch of mugs
One positive of mass immigration from Poland that is often overlooked is that some of the Polish prossies are banging and cheap as chips.
aah all these foreigners must like living 10 to a house when they can just turn up at the council and be given a lovely new pad.
bbc had a drama on last night in which a young black lad told a ukrainian his lot werent wanted over here
I dont think we accept large amounts of unskilled Africans or Asians, honestly I dont. But without official numbers I couldnt say.
But honestly, people need to get away from the diea that benefits are the problem.
Tax evasion, by the national fraud authorities own statistics costs 15 times more per year, than benefit fraud or cheating.
The problem is not too many people scrounging benefits, thats a myth. The problem is too many large companies and wealthy people dodging tax. Did you see the statistics last week that 'surprised' our own chancellor, this is the man employed to sort the budgets who was surprised to learn of the level of tax dodging in the country by the richest.
Then you have companies who route money through head quarters in the cayman islands to avoid tax, its also a well known tax dodge route for footballers btw, any of them who are clued up, pay less tax than you or I do percentage wise.
Or take Sir Phillip Green, he is a SIR, a knight of the realm, and he routes his money from top shop to his wife in monaco. I think it was around 2005, he avoided paying 280million in tax that year by paying her a dividend in excess of 1billion.
Tax avoidance by companies and individuals costs in excess of 20 BILLION per year.
"Chancellor George Osborne says he is "shocked" that some of the UK's richest people have organised their finances so that they pay virtually no income tax."
This is the **** in charge of the countries money !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17661011
Point being, the benefit system either through fraud or having people coming into the country, is not the big problem, thats just a magician saying look at my left hand, whilst his right hand fixes the cards.
As for the languages, my point on that, was why we dont export many workers across europe when we could / can. Yup we shoot ourselves in the foot, but its our fault.
As for unemployment stats, I agree they can be woolly, but provided they are emasured roughly the same between countries they can be compared.
What we need is companies in this country to pay more tax, to accept that their profits cant be sustained and they have to take less profit. Most of us have taken pay cuts in recent years, in that prices have gone up more than wages, but banks, oil companies, tescos, bt, virgin, etc etc, are all keeping profits almost as high as ever.
They need to accept a drop in profit
They need to pay more tax
And they need to employ more people
but they arent
we bailed out the banks and they are laughing at us
the big companies havent felt any financial squeeze
the rich havent
the rest of us have
and the companies, and certain media, and certain people will try and misguide you, and blame other people, because thats what they do.
I'm not saying its a big conspiracy, its just about being aware of things.
Yup benefit fraud costing us 2billion is bad
Tax dodging costing 30billion is worse
And if you think about it, which is worse
the guy claiming 65 quid a week who should
the woman cheating the system for an extra 30 quid a week
the foreign family of 5 claiming 100 quid a week
or
the premiership footballer earning 60k per week but paying 15% tax per year
or the company turning over billions a year but paying no tax on profits
or the bankers getting bailed out by us, but paying themselves untaxable bonuses
who is worse
and more the point
who do we benefit from most if we close the loop hole, better to go after those costing the economy 30billion, than those costing it 2billion
But honestly, people need to get away from the diea that benefits are the problem.
Tax evasion, by the national fraud authorities own statistics costs 15 times more per year, than benefit fraud or cheating.
The problem is not too many people scrounging benefits, thats a myth. The problem is too many large companies and wealthy people dodging tax. Did you see the statistics last week that 'surprised' our own chancellor, this is the man employed to sort the budgets who was surprised to learn of the level of tax dodging in the country by the richest.
Then you have companies who route money through head quarters in the cayman islands to avoid tax, its also a well known tax dodge route for footballers btw, any of them who are clued up, pay less tax than you or I do percentage wise.
Or take Sir Phillip Green, he is a SIR, a knight of the realm, and he routes his money from top shop to his wife in monaco. I think it was around 2005, he avoided paying 280million in tax that year by paying her a dividend in excess of 1billion.
Tax avoidance by companies and individuals costs in excess of 20 BILLION per year.
"Chancellor George Osborne says he is "shocked" that some of the UK's richest people have organised their finances so that they pay virtually no income tax."
This is the **** in charge of the countries money !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17661011
Point being, the benefit system either through fraud or having people coming into the country, is not the big problem, thats just a magician saying look at my left hand, whilst his right hand fixes the cards.
As for the languages, my point on that, was why we dont export many workers across europe when we could / can. Yup we shoot ourselves in the foot, but its our fault.
As for unemployment stats, I agree they can be woolly, but provided they are emasured roughly the same between countries they can be compared.
What we need is companies in this country to pay more tax, to accept that their profits cant be sustained and they have to take less profit. Most of us have taken pay cuts in recent years, in that prices have gone up more than wages, but banks, oil companies, tescos, bt, virgin, etc etc, are all keeping profits almost as high as ever.
They need to accept a drop in profit
They need to pay more tax
And they need to employ more people
but they arent
we bailed out the banks and they are laughing at us
the big companies havent felt any financial squeeze
the rich havent
the rest of us have
and the companies, and certain media, and certain people will try and misguide you, and blame other people, because thats what they do.
I'm not saying its a big conspiracy, its just about being aware of things.
Yup benefit fraud costing us 2billion is bad
Tax dodging costing 30billion is worse
And if you think about it, which is worse
the guy claiming 65 quid a week who should
the woman cheating the system for an extra 30 quid a week
the foreign family of 5 claiming 100 quid a week
or
the premiership footballer earning 60k per week but paying 15% tax per year
or the company turning over billions a year but paying no tax on profits
or the bankers getting bailed out by us, but paying themselves untaxable bonuses
who is worse
and more the point
who do we benefit from most if we close the loop hole, better to go after those costing the economy 30billion, than those costing it 2billion
Check out the crime figures for ethnics.
You can't get them.
I wonder why.
There are now prisons full of ethics,who need to be kept apart due to religious or gang reasons.
You can't get them.
I wonder why.
There are now prisons full of ethics,who need to be kept apart due to religious or gang reasons.
OP must have too much spare time to be searching polish uk benefit relating websites, get a life loser
ffs, is tonight EDL night and someone didn't warn me?
more morons spouting garbage with no actual facts to back it up, that's all this forum needs.
more morons spouting garbage with no actual facts to back it up, that's all this forum needs.
another good post pootle, unfortunately some people just like gettin shafted by those in power and then pin the blame on the working or under-class.
Nice post Pootle but the stupid f--ing sheep see this as a race problem fuelled by the sh it rags that they read
This post isnt about Race or Skin Colour..
The Polish are White like us FFS..
The Polish are White like us FFS..
Viva, it's apparently a sort of benefit gig with a billing of
- The EDL
- "Fings wot a bloke down the pub told me"
- Mirror Editorials
At the end they'll all come on stage for a big medley of "F**k the rich, forernurs, and anyone who isn't working class and white".
Kind of Billy Bragg sings the poetry of Nick Griff.
- The EDL
- "Fings wot a bloke down the pub told me"
- Mirror Editorials
At the end they'll all come on stage for a big medley of "F**k the rich, forernurs, and anyone who isn't working class and white".
Kind of Billy Bragg sings the poetry of Nick Griff.
Apr 19, 2012 -- 8:33PM, Corky wrote:
If they are so hard working, why do they need these benefits sites ?
I don't read all crap in this thread, but would you not take money if some1 would just give it to you for free? Hard working but not idiots.
...then when they've finished kicking each other in, go and clog up A&E and give the ethnics who are treating them and paying tax for the privilege surly looks.
then home for a spot of cider and dole.
then home for a spot of cider and dole.
Apparently anyone who is anti-immigration is a racist edf supporter. Personally I don't think they are.
My parents are Irish, my wife is Malaysian so I am anything but racist anti immigration.
However, I think Britain has gone too far too fast on the way it opened its borders and now has to deal with the inevitable consequences.
My parents are Irish, my wife is Malaysian so I am anything but racist anti immigration.
However, I think Britain has gone too far too fast on the way it opened its borders and now has to deal with the inevitable consequences.
Thing is I would never say, there is no problem with our immigration laws, etc. There clearly are issues that need addressing, however they are blown out of all proportion compared to other problems that are larger cause more economic hardship, but are swept under the carpet by the media and politicians (all sides).
Then there are simple problems like **** all sport on tonight so we waffle about nonsense
Then there are simple problems like **** all sport on tonight so we waffle about nonsense
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8851902/Migrants-to-send-Britains-population-soaring-to-largest-in-EU.html
Crucially, if the trend continues, it will overtake Germany for the first time as the largest EU country by 2043.
will be driven by direct immigration or by migrant mothers giving birth.
Crucially, if the trend continues, it will overtake Germany for the first time as the largest EU country by 2043.
will be driven by direct immigration or by migrant mothers giving birth.
That's one big post Pootle.
If those figures are correct it is of course logical to go after those commiting Tax fraud but can't we go after those who commit benefit fraud too? We live in a pretty advanced country after all.
Tax avoidance is another issue. But, If people who fraudlenley claim benefit money (be they British or otherwise) could screw us out of £2000 a month they would... All parasites are the same they will take what you allow. In this case the big companies have a bigger opportunity to screw us (shame on them).
shudacudas point about crime may not have been the most eloquent you'll see but it does raise a point. Immigration costs a lot more than just benefits.
There are many factors such as crime, health, education. Educating a child isn't cheap nor is the cost of looking after the whole family in terms of health.
So what if a family comes over and one of the parents takes a £6p/h job? The UK will still have to pay the Education and Health costs of the rest of the family.
Then you have the organised crime elemnet. Setting up trials and imprisoning other peoples scum will add to the cumalitive (sp?) cost too.
At the end of the day we need to work on our own problems in the UK.
If those figures are correct it is of course logical to go after those commiting Tax fraud but can't we go after those who commit benefit fraud too? We live in a pretty advanced country after all.
Tax avoidance is another issue. But, If people who fraudlenley claim benefit money (be they British or otherwise) could screw us out of £2000 a month they would... All parasites are the same they will take what you allow. In this case the big companies have a bigger opportunity to screw us (shame on them).
shudacudas point about crime may not have been the most eloquent you'll see but it does raise a point. Immigration costs a lot more than just benefits.
There are many factors such as crime, health, education. Educating a child isn't cheap nor is the cost of looking after the whole family in terms of health.
So what if a family comes over and one of the parents takes a £6p/h job? The UK will still have to pay the Education and Health costs of the rest of the family.
Then you have the organised crime elemnet. Setting up trials and imprisoning other peoples scum will add to the cumalitive (sp?) cost too.
At the end of the day we need to work on our own problems in the UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8663188/Immigration-ban-o...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8851902/Migrants-to-send-Britains-population-soaring-to-largest-in-EU.html
Nothing to worry about though.
Nothing to worry about though.
What we need is companies in this country to pay more tax
What we need is less government spending and lower taxes all round.
What we need is less government spending and lower taxes all round.
I don't really give a ****. I'll be retired in SE Asia, getting my **** sucked by a little brown lady whilst sipping a Beer Chang in the sun
The PC brigade generally choose not to see issues like the one reported in the link above (largest population in the EU).
One day they'll see associated problems that mass immigration brings with it (if they ever get off their high horse)
One day they'll see associated problems that mass immigration brings with it (if they ever get off their high horse)
hudson thats racist,getting sucked off by a little brown lady.
Whatever happened to the equal oppertunities commision.
Whatever happened to the equal oppertunities commision.
classic neanderthal mentality 'too many immigrants over here im moving abroad...'
ND47 19 Apr 12 21:38
That's one big post Pootle.
If those figures are correct it is of course logical to go after those commiting Tax fraud but can't we go after those who commit benefit fraud too? We live in a pretty advanced country after all.
Tax evasion is believed to be about 14billion the government spends over 120 billion more than it collects in taxation. This is despite the collect a whopping 600billion a year in total taxation.
Fuel duty alone is £27 billion a year, about 2% of gdp and just under 5% of total taxation.
The reason we pay high levels of tax is because the electorate elects a nanny interfering state government whether tory or labour which spends £727 billion a year to run itself badly.
we are taxed on everything, income, ni, council tax, vat, fuel, cigs, alcohol, because the electorate chose big state government whether you voted labour, liberal or tory. High taxes are the electorates fault no one elses, the public gets what it deserves.
If people want to get p....d off with something then get p....d off with the state spending £727 billion a year or £220 billion to pay and pension public sector workers or £25 billion a year for overseas aid, wars and eu or messing up state procurement.
The government pay 50billion in debt interest by the end of this parliament it will be 70billion a year a differential greater than what will be saved if all evaders are caught. How about the government balances its budget long term it will save us more on debt interest alone.
If the state was cut in size you would pay less tax, less income tax, less vat.
Its time the country woke up to the incompetent mess all parties are and demanded a much better return for their money.
That's one big post Pootle.
If those figures are correct it is of course logical to go after those commiting Tax fraud but can't we go after those who commit benefit fraud too? We live in a pretty advanced country after all.
Tax evasion is believed to be about 14billion the government spends over 120 billion more than it collects in taxation. This is despite the collect a whopping 600billion a year in total taxation.
Fuel duty alone is £27 billion a year, about 2% of gdp and just under 5% of total taxation.
The reason we pay high levels of tax is because the electorate elects a nanny interfering state government whether tory or labour which spends £727 billion a year to run itself badly.
we are taxed on everything, income, ni, council tax, vat, fuel, cigs, alcohol, because the electorate chose big state government whether you voted labour, liberal or tory. High taxes are the electorates fault no one elses, the public gets what it deserves.
If people want to get p....d off with something then get p....d off with the state spending £727 billion a year or £220 billion to pay and pension public sector workers or £25 billion a year for overseas aid, wars and eu or messing up state procurement.
The government pay 50billion in debt interest by the end of this parliament it will be 70billion a year a differential greater than what will be saved if all evaders are caught. How about the government balances its budget long term it will save us more on debt interest alone.
If the state was cut in size you would pay less tax, less income tax, less vat.
Its time the country woke up to the incompetent mess all parties are and demanded a much better return for their money.
I'll be going to a third-world country to live a simple live, and bring my pension for the benefit of the local economy.
I'll have health insurance for myself, ill pay for my visa costs every year and wont cost the state a penny.
I'll have health insurance for myself, ill pay for my visa costs every year and wont cost the state a penny.
Hudson have you checked the S.E.Asian Benefit sites to claim your benefits?
mighty whites the public have 3 choices of sh1te every 5 yrs. the myth we live in a 'democracy'.
Yeah i'm eligible for a bowl of rice every week.. which i'll be claiming straight away
Yeah I got carried away ND47
I agree we should go after all sides, but we can barely plug a hole in the sink, let alone track down all the problems. That in itself is a problem.
And I agree there is a crime cost, social cost etc. But I do think its often over blown.
I am not, at all, accusing anyone of being EDL or right wing or anything, let me say that first, but historically, in times of economic problems people tend to focus on and blame 'outsiders' not just in the uk, but the world over.
I'm not calling you or anyone else, stupid or racist, so please dont think I am, the point I am trying to make is, in times of crisis / economic hardship, the blame is usually put on those who are different etc, its not a case of racism, its almost an animalistic / tribal response. Its sociologically human nature, in fact it even happens in the animal kingdom. When things are going well, people are happy and arms are open for free hugs, when things go badly, the instinct is to close doors and turn on the outsiders. The problem is, the media and the government will play on that, and not just in the uk, it happens in the states, it happens in Japan, it happens in china, the world over. Things go bad, the perceived outsider is apportioned more blame.
Now I am not saying we dont have problems in this country due to immigration laws being softer than they should, and I agree there are some stupid examples of people using interpretations of laws etc to get their own way, but its often too easy to lose sight of the larger picture and bigger problems. Plus media and wealthy folk will play on fear and tribal nature, because it takes the heat off them - better to have people outraged about a bloke who cant be deported (and yes he should be) than be outraged about a government that just screwed old people in the budget etc.
So yes, I agree there are problems we have we need to sort, and we need to tighten immigration a little, but its really not quite as huge a problem as some media would have us believe. There are other issues, they just dont want us worrying about them, because they want to stay nice and cosy.
I gotta type less
I agree we should go after all sides, but we can barely plug a hole in the sink, let alone track down all the problems. That in itself is a problem.
And I agree there is a crime cost, social cost etc. But I do think its often over blown.
I am not, at all, accusing anyone of being EDL or right wing or anything, let me say that first, but historically, in times of economic problems people tend to focus on and blame 'outsiders' not just in the uk, but the world over.
I'm not calling you or anyone else, stupid or racist, so please dont think I am, the point I am trying to make is, in times of crisis / economic hardship, the blame is usually put on those who are different etc, its not a case of racism, its almost an animalistic / tribal response. Its sociologically human nature, in fact it even happens in the animal kingdom. When things are going well, people are happy and arms are open for free hugs, when things go badly, the instinct is to close doors and turn on the outsiders. The problem is, the media and the government will play on that, and not just in the uk, it happens in the states, it happens in Japan, it happens in china, the world over. Things go bad, the perceived outsider is apportioned more blame.
Now I am not saying we dont have problems in this country due to immigration laws being softer than they should, and I agree there are some stupid examples of people using interpretations of laws etc to get their own way, but its often too easy to lose sight of the larger picture and bigger problems. Plus media and wealthy folk will play on fear and tribal nature, because it takes the heat off them - better to have people outraged about a bloke who cant be deported (and yes he should be) than be outraged about a government that just screwed old people in the budget etc.
So yes, I agree there are problems we have we need to sort, and we need to tighten immigration a little, but its really not quite as huge a problem as some media would have us believe. There are other issues, they just dont want us worrying about them, because they want to stay nice and cosy.
I gotta type less
worse in ireland £200 @week
welfare tourism,fly in once a month,sign on £800
easy peasy
welfare tourism,fly in once a month,sign on £800
easy peasy
While im in the Sun.. you lot will be broke-poor, living in fear of violence from gangs in your wonderfully diverse communities living of UN handout food aid
I'm not talking about the EU immigrants here, they'd have long since ****ed off back home with their piece of the UK economy building their homes in their stronger economies.
I'm not talking about the EU immigrants here, they'd have long since ****ed off back home with their piece of the UK economy building their homes in their stronger economies.
everyone knows its a standard tactic for govts to bring in immigrants when times are good so they can then blame them when things go wrong.
Which enlightened politician agreed to us paying for E.U. citizens kids while they work here,despite the kids being still living in their own countries?
A bunch of gamblers complaining that some people don't contribute to society.....
Dear oh dear!!!
Dear oh dear!!!
Population increases arent just down to immigration though.
We have longer life expectancy and it just goes up and up.
So if we had no immigration in the next 25 years at all
The population would still rise significantly due to less people dying, more people living longer, and people who are here breeding.
Part of our problem is the ageing population, who contribute nothing day to day but place a strain on all services.
I dont mean any disrespect in that by the way, its just fact, Average life span is over 80, pensioners dont earn, didnt save when they did earn, and need money to get by, and are the primary users of health care and social services. But we cant just kill them all off.
We need more young people in the country in order to survive, and we actually need to stop increasing life expectancy in this country.
Viva Logans Runs.
And if we want the government to spend less, by a significant amount, then we need to accept less state services.
Education, Police, Fire Service, NHS
They all cost money
IF people want education for their kids, NHS, and a police service, then it needs paying for.
IF people dont want that, and they want private education, private health and a depleted police force, then well stick around because thats what the tories are going to bring.
Just hope you fall on the side that can afford it.
And if you have ever been ill in america, you'll know how much health care can cost.
Its a creaking system thats not going to get better, but no politician will ever stand up and say, you know what people, we are all going to have to get used to being a little worse off.
They could raise bagfuls of cash though
Legalise cocaine, and have the government as the only licensed seller.
2 million people shoving it up their nose each week anyway, and not a penny going to the government.
Decriminalise it, tax it.
We have longer life expectancy and it just goes up and up.
So if we had no immigration in the next 25 years at all
The population would still rise significantly due to less people dying, more people living longer, and people who are here breeding.
Part of our problem is the ageing population, who contribute nothing day to day but place a strain on all services.
I dont mean any disrespect in that by the way, its just fact, Average life span is over 80, pensioners dont earn, didnt save when they did earn, and need money to get by, and are the primary users of health care and social services. But we cant just kill them all off.
We need more young people in the country in order to survive, and we actually need to stop increasing life expectancy in this country.
Viva Logans Runs.
And if we want the government to spend less, by a significant amount, then we need to accept less state services.
Education, Police, Fire Service, NHS
They all cost money
IF people want education for their kids, NHS, and a police service, then it needs paying for.
IF people dont want that, and they want private education, private health and a depleted police force, then well stick around because thats what the tories are going to bring.
Just hope you fall on the side that can afford it.
And if you have ever been ill in america, you'll know how much health care can cost.
Its a creaking system thats not going to get better, but no politician will ever stand up and say, you know what people, we are all going to have to get used to being a little worse off.
They could raise bagfuls of cash though
Legalise cocaine, and have the government as the only licensed seller.
2 million people shoving it up their nose each week anyway, and not a penny going to the government.
Decriminalise it, tax it.
The average British family has 2.4 chilren. The average Pakistani/Indian has 10 million
It's ok Pootle, you've never come across as accusing me or others of being racist etc.
In truth we'll never know what is bigger the cost of immigration, with all the factors such as benefits, social housing, healthcare, education, crime and the effect of them filling jobs that British people could hold. Or the cost of Tax evasion... At the end of the day if you are getting screwd how can you tell the total cost? if you could you'd probably have a fair idea of who is actually screwing you.
For the record I've visited places such as India, Algeria, Egypt & Tunisia (Was in the Navy) And I can understand why people from such places (or Poland) would choose to come here.
I hold no ill against them, after all is said and done they are only trying to better themselves by doing so, if I lived there I'd probably try and come over here too. I just don't think our government should allow them to do so at our collective expense, especially when we have big problems of our own such as 3 million unemployed.
In truth we'll never know what is bigger the cost of immigration, with all the factors such as benefits, social housing, healthcare, education, crime and the effect of them filling jobs that British people could hold. Or the cost of Tax evasion... At the end of the day if you are getting screwd how can you tell the total cost? if you could you'd probably have a fair idea of who is actually screwing you.
For the record I've visited places such as India, Algeria, Egypt & Tunisia (Was in the Navy) And I can understand why people from such places (or Poland) would choose to come here.
I hold no ill against them, after all is said and done they are only trying to better themselves by doing so, if I lived there I'd probably try and come over here too. I just don't think our government should allow them to do so at our collective expense, especially when we have big problems of our own such as 3 million unemployed.
Might Whites 2008.
No one promises to make cuts in order to get elected... There just aren't enough sensible voters out there to make it a viable policy!!!
No one promises to make cuts in order to get elected... There just aren't enough sensible voters out there to make it a viable policy!!!
I agree to a point, I dont think we are that far apart in our thoughts, I do agree we need tighter borders and the like, and a government that wont accept every single tiny EU law etc.
But I reckon if immigration was sorted tomorrow we'd still have huge problems, unfortunately there isnt a golden bullet, and I am happy to be wrong, but ont he pie chart of problems and solutions, immigration would be lower down my list, still on the list, but lower down.
But I reckon if immigration was sorted tomorrow we'd still have huge problems, unfortunately there isnt a golden bullet, and I am happy to be wrong, but ont he pie chart of problems and solutions, immigration would be lower down my list, still on the list, but lower down.
Of course we'd still have huge problems if we solved immigration tomorrow, if we shut our borders to everyone we'd still have the legacy of the previous 10-15 years to deal with.
Likewise if we solved Tax evasion we'd still have the laundry list of problems Mighty Whites 2008 listed.
Likewise if we solved Tax evasion we'd still have the laundry list of problems Mighty Whites 2008 listed.
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