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Is it time FOBTs were banned?
Is it time FOBTs were banned?
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Banks, relax and take another sip of that fine Claret.You really are the sane side of Lazarus2 (freaky Fraudy).I am sure that there is NHS treatment for Multiple Personality Disorder.Pop down to your Doctor next Month when you get an appointment...
I'm a one username entity and always will be! All joking apart I reckon if we got all the main protagonists on here together face to face we would probably get on like a house on fire. It would be amusing trying to work out who is who. I bet plenty would be nothing like you expect. |
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Of course the most obvious argument against banning them is the one Mighty Whites put forward - free will.
I do think they are far more dangerous than many other forms of gambling though. The speed you can do your dough and the continuous nature of them make them far more dangerous in my eyes than fruit machines. As well as the speed, there is the ease. Its far harder to go to a casino than to walk into a bookies. Ban them and you will still get some punters, the ones who have always been there, who will find somewhere to do their dough. But I think there is a whole new raft of punters, greater in number as well, who are seduced and then astonished by the sheer ease and speed at which they can put away a week or a month's wages. |
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marychain1 agree with that.
The jackpot slots aspect of FOBT gambling addiction can cause horrible losses and gambling debt that is irreparable. The latest video slot machines have gorgeous vivid colours, pleasant sounds, especially upon winning, and bonus rounds that are designed to entice and perhaps addict many who play. These machines are specially designed by psychologists who assist in creating a machine that insures continued play and have the power to destroy lives. Most people don't have casinos in their backyard; it is just too easy to make a visit to FOBT's when these are right around the corner. |
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Two very good posts, spot on.
Needless to say the apologist Banks will be along shortly to defend them, and make out that they are no worst than other forms of gambling.  |
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Good to see some media coverage of the issue in todays mail on sunday
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103218/When-bookies -common-post-offices-Britain-major-problem-High-Street-campaigner-Rowenna-Davis.html |
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I think FOBT's in Ireland are unlikely to be legalised. The bookies seem happy enough for concessions for extended opening hours instead of FOBT's.
There are no FOBT's here in Ireland yet it's harder then previous years to get bets on. That's not FOBT's fault bookies are playing to tighter margins with most chain shops offering BOG on singles to try and generate business but the interest in horse racing isn't there any more and there are less and less mug punters betting good money. Betfair is an incredible tool for Bookies and has done as much as anything in reducing the amount bookies will take off certain people. Banks may well be connected to the trade but he speaks with more coherence and sense then most here. The chance of FOBT's been restricted or banned is slim. |
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taken from your link swardean....
"experts describe these as the ‘crack cocaine of gambling’. They offer games such as bingo and roulette to customers who don’t need to talk to a soul to play." Absolute blather from someone with a political motive that sees an easy dog to kick....bookmakers. I have no agenda but surely this crusade would be similar to banning cars because some people drive too fast and kill,cripple and maim others. Not to mention all the people that die in wars over oil. Like the Chewbacca defense, it works because it does not make sense. |
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Never met a rich gambler yet.lol
Not one who goes in bookmakers anyway. Anyone promoting gambling has an agenda. The only people who make out of gambling year in year out are bookies,some horse owners,jockeys,trainers and at the bottom of the food chain scalpers who scalp small bits off the betfair markets pre race start. |
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brngtwt said....
I have no agenda but surely this crusade would be similar to banning cars because some people drive too fast and kill,cripple and maim others. Not to mention all the people that die in wars over oil.... Err no, cars serve a purpose they get people from A to B, as for instance when I needed to get my wide to hospital for our first child. Completely agree with banning wars over oil though. |
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There is a huge difference between putting forward a reason for not banning machines,and promoting them.I also was accused of promoting them,when I was merely taking the stance that there was not a positive reason for banning them,apart from forumites views,which,in most cases,are based on preference rather than hard facts.
Habits have changed greatly over the last few years,unfortunately none for the benefit of racing.That doesn't in any way make them wrong. I know plenty of punters who only go into their LBO for a football coupon(growth market) and wouldn't dream of having a bet on racing.There are thousands like that up and down the country.Same applies to the machines. Players have their chosen thing for gambling,and that has to be accepted. |
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The last time i was in scotland i was shocked at some people who i had known as recreational gamblers from a few years ago had became addicted to the fobts.
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Exactly fife As I mentioned a couple of days ago in this thread, several of the regulars I remember from the mid 90's until I stopped going to my bookies in the early 00's are now addicted to these damn FOBT's. These guys used to be sensible horse racing punters who used to enjoy the banter and the occasional decent pay off.
I pop in infrequently nowadays but a few of them are always bashing the FOBT's. I can't believe how fast they are shovelling notes in. I say won guy win over £400 and when I congratulated him on his win he told me he had barely got his money back! When they get a lucid moment they always agree they need to stop, but the next time I visit, there they are again.... |
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Know an old bloke who was always a real Horse Racing punter - must be in his late 60's and is retired. When I worked in the Shops he always had a chat and was on about form etc... and would tell me about where he had been - think he had been something like 92 of nations racecourses. Anyway at some point last year he started playing them things and he would come in and do his conkers - oblivious to the racing etc... A lad started mentioning that he was owed 50 sheets by this old chap and I noticed he (OLD CHAP)was only now coming in now early morning and at around 2115 when he knew this lad would not be in. Last week I was in Koral and he came over chatting to me and I knew where this was going - he asked me for a ten spot, I refused - bloke looks down and out now and others have said the same.
Shockingly he brought some ladders to Koral the other day and flogged them to this bloke for 8 quid and he also had this padlock he was after selling. It sounds funny but it is really quite sad. Not sure what the answer is as them things ain't going to go - only answer is never go on them I guess as they are addictive as hell! |
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MUST OF SAID 52 NOT 92!
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True all over the country I guess. In my local there is an older guy everybody calls jock for obvious reasons. He is one of the guys who was always worth a chat as he knows his horse racing inside out. On the occasions I go in he is always standing there playing roulette muttering away to himself completely oblivious to what's going on around him. I've known the bookie for years I said to him that he should be ashamed that some of his old punters were doing there money like that and he shrugged and said "what can I do about it? They will just go somewhere else if I upset them."
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Know of another lad who checked himself in at Hospital 2 weeks ago as he was doing so much he thought he was going to lose his home and family etc...
Odd to know what to do with them but it seems that just one free bet on them really can lead to people becoming totally wired to them and losing far more than simply their money. I guess a good idea would be for Councils/Government to look at the way they have ****ed up people by actually meeting some of them. |