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Is it time FOBTs were banned?
Is it time FOBTs were banned?
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Any news on how many got smashed? They would have made more if they were 100% angry punter proof.
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No they shouldn't be banned. People should be free to do what they want with their money.
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If the bookies want to become a casino, they should apply for a casino licence and be propery asessed like every other organization would be.
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I work in a bookies and love it when people complain about the fobt's, they are just computers that spit our random numbers, over the course of the year my shops profit on the fobt's worked out at just over 8% which isnt brilliant but not bad either. Its just most people are to dumb to understand what random means, a computer doesnt care how much money you put in, so I'll spell it out for you...If £100 goes into a machine the company keeps £8, the other £92 is paid back out. If you put in £90 and lost it all no wonder your calling for them to be banned but if you put in £10 and had £92 paid out you'd love them, its RANDOM!! If you dont like them dont use them no one puts a gun to your head forcing you to put in money you cant afford to lose...
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Your sentiments are just not true Maza they are addictive like any drugs. Addicts do not have a choice they are compelled and very difficult to cut them out when there are shops on ecery corner. They should be licensed like casino's and it is disgrace than bookies have been able to sneak these in past an uncaring legislative authority.
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DeSSieReborn • February 19, 2012 2:08 AM GMT
What has this to do with football please? I may be off at a tangent here but.........a lot of the time the prices on matches in the shops are worse than you can get on-line......this could be because the profits from these infernal machines allows them to squeeze a few clicks on the the prices of football match's I could be way off the mark......just a thought |
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so self exclude, thats what its there for so it becomes a crime to be on said bookies premises if you have a problem ban yourself, or do you just want everything banned in life that people get addicted to i know lets ban pubs because some people are alcoholics, lets ban supermarkets because some people are addicted to food, lets ban you from the forum becuase your a moron
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high streets no more once bookies go .
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Oh dear Maza can't you have discussion without becoming abusive?
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why does the betting shop worker think they pay out at 92%
i thought roulettte was 97% and if its random would pay out at 97% do the other games have a lower return ? |
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My mates a plasterer he did a big ceiling then popped in the bookies lost 900 quid,his whole weeks wages, on the fobt then had to go back and do the final trowel.Evil things.
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yeah different games different amounts roulette best game for punters, slots best for bookie, comes out at about 8.21% for year i believe
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How about Betfair then...it's the same model but they take 5%
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MAZA
Self exclusion is the biggest load of boll oxs the gamb comm have come up with. If someone self excludes, whats to stop him going to the shop up the road, or worse still for them sitting at home playing roulette on his computer or phone doing bombs in. If some one asks to be self excluded, save yourself the paperwork, tell them to **** off out the shop, you wont serve them again and block the machine when if they come back in. The worse thing for the addicts is the fact they can get cash on the card over the counter. As for the machines you are correct not everyone is addicted to them, I have the machines yet still play them else where for a bit of fun, not everyone is hooked on them. |
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The problem is, if you ban these then people are more likely to sit at home and lose the lot. I bet (lol) that a lot more people have a problem with online betting than they do in brick and mortar places.
I have a similar issue with poker sites. Being a poker player I use a lot of sites and nearly all of them now have links on the poker table to open up a blackjack/roulette/slots window. Lose a big hand and it is soooo easy to blow the rest of your money chasing. I had to self-exclude for that very reason and automatically do so on each new poker site I join. In short, yes they are probably nasty but banning them will make matters worse And you can't stop the majority from doing something just because the minority have a problem or everything would get banned |
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As I said, the best thing short of banning them would be for bookmakers have to apply for proper casino licences where things would get properly scrutinized by a competent person.
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Machines in betting shops have the same scrutiny as machines in casinos.
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Why?
What difference would it make? No-one is going to bet less just because they have a casino licence And then you are going down the road of should pubs have casino licences, when a lot are shutting down and fruit machines are lifeblood for a lot of them |
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The blame for people getting addicted clearly lies with whoever coined the phrase "crack cocaine of gambling".
No two words will appeal more to those with an addictive nature. If only he had called them the "ferrero Rocher of gambling" there would have been an initial rush of fat people to have a go but they would surely have played a few minutes before getting hungry and going down the chippy. Nowhere near long enough to become addicted. |
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Because much fewer of the applications would be approved, therefore there would be less of them, duh.
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Because much fewer of the applications would be approved, therefore there would be less of them, duh.
That is completely different to the original comment you made. |
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Sorry, didn't realize I was only allowed 1 comment per thread
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And yes, I do think they should be banned, but as this is unlikely and in the abcence of banning, they should be properly licenced to the same degree as casinos, can't see what is contradictory about that.
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the only way these machines will be taken out of shops is if betting tax is re introduced.
as for the splitting of shops in half you should know when they apply to do this as notification has to appear in the window of said shop and also on your local council licencing website. you can then inform the gambling commission for what good they are but they do recommend to the local council that they are not in favour of this and you can also write in saying you have no problem with the company splitting the shop in two but only one part of the premises has 4 fobts the other part remains machine free. see then if the company wants to proceed with the application if the licencing panel puts that idea forward |
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You can have as many as you like however when you receive a reply to one and then post a disparaging follow up making out that you said something very different first time round you do make yourself look like a tool.
Hope that helps. |
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Are you a complete berk, Banks?
I think you need to reread my original comment which was on the previous page, I havent contradicted myself in any way. My post of 14.47 on this one explains why. |
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What is this "proper licensing" you refer to?
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As I have said many times, given that they appear to be here to stay, an application for FOBTs should be treated in exactly the same way as casino machines, also with big jackpots. Which, as I have also said, would self evidently lead to far fewer of them being approved due to the number permitted in a given location.
I think I've made my position pretty clear. |
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an application for FOBTs should be treated in exactly the same way as casino machines, also with big jackpots.
Absolute uninformed rubbish. Casino machines have far higher jackpots than FOBTs. In fact arcades have the same jackpot limits as betting shops albeit not roulette. Are you advocating they all shut too? |
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Did I say they were the same?
Or was that something you imagined  |
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"In fact arcades have the same jackpot limits as betting shops albeit not roulette. Are you advocating they all shut too?"
Could you please point to any of my posts which have advocated any establishments shutting? You ought to be a politican, replying to points which haven't been made and answering questions which don't exist |
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To answer the question, yes of course any establishment which has them should be treated equally, including arcades.
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Maze, 8 percent is the highest in the country by far, must nt be any roulette players at all
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No poster has of yet put up a proper reason for banning the machines.That is because there isn't one.
No player is forced to enter an LBO in order to play. The odds of 35/1 for 36 numbers+ zero,shows exactly what the retained margin is. People have done their tank on many other forms of gambling over the years,and will continue to do so. I don't like the machines,and never play them,but am not asking for them to be banned,there is no reason to. Posters don't like them,and think they are bad news,so!!!! As for topping up from the hole in the wall,again that is the unforced choice of the player. |
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One proper reason for banning them would be to increase betting turnover on horse racing which in turn would increase the levy.
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Not a proper reason,just something that would help racing.
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One proper reason for banning them would be to increase betting turnover on horse racing which in turn would increase the levy.
It would have little to no impact unless exchanges were banned too. They are a far,far bigger negative effect on the levy than machines. |
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After reading this thread i have googled these wretched machines.
By law each shop is limited to having four machines at max but the bookies are trying to get the laws changed so they can have up to eight machines  Once they have achieved the eight mark they will most likely try for ten to twelve etc etc. I know many people will blame the punters for their own downfall but life is not as simple as that surely. Gambling in general is being pushed on people at an alarming rate in the uk,just turn on your tv and watch a sporting event and it's non stop adverts about gambling  Look around at what is available to people as recreational activities pubs and bookies. If gambling is promoted at such a frenzied level as it is today then don't be suprised or angered when people fall victim to evils of it! Poverty,crime,violence etc etc will be the knock on effect so they should be scrapped. The FOBTs are of no value to society and are helping to destroy this country every day  |
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Again,a load of nonsense with no back -up, apart from personal reasons.
Do posters not believe that there has ALWAYS been a hard core of punters that regularly lost on their chosen pursuit. I used to know plenty of guys that were skint by the end of the weekend due to gambling,it isn't something new. |