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well
the other bookmakers only have one side of the trade to worry about. as i said they've experienced problems before. |
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Same problem though, one or two sides... if it's the rules we're talking about.
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where is the market please? I cannot find it on Betfair
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Who is England head coach for their first competitive game in Euro 2012 or whatever. How hard is that?
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and as you know this aint a bookie site it's an exchange. so you have people who think they're laying the next permanent manager to people who think they're backing the guy who'll be in charge for the next game, and they aint always one and the same.
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Same issue mex - ultimately you have a person placing a bet that needs to check the rules before betting.
No difference on Betfair than on any other site. |
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they had a situation once where a geezer was given the job on a long[ish] contract, but wasn't called as a permanant appointment.
there was murders over that one. |
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Why would that problem be any different for another bookmaker?
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i understand that jason
but bf normally operate a next PERMANENT manager mkt, and i dare say they want to see how the land lies before they get involved. |
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So does every other bookie - there's no difference, and you know it.
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the reason it's differnt for other bookmakers is because they are laying , rather than acting as an exchange, so they only have responsibilities to one lot, whereas bf ,in the case of disputes have both sides of each trade with a point of view.
and usually they both reckon they've won. |
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That's not a difference, that's just more people.
Every person - whether it be on another bookmaker or Betfair - would be affected by one bet and the rules associated with that bet. |
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no that is not the way it is.
you get differnt markets with differnt rules. that's why i posted a warning earlier. you could have the situation where bf are bretting on the next permanent manager, and the high streets pay out on the geezer who's in charge for the holland match. it's happened before. and it's pandemonium. |
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It's no different.
You as a punter - whether you're laying, backing, or both, are affected by the rules of the market. The guy that loses his bet on the high street would have the same complaint as the guy that layed it on Betfair. |
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as i said earlier. they've had people trading/arbing across differn#t sites and they've settled differnt bways.
it has been kmnown to end up in court. so they are very circumspect with these markets nowadays. |
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they've opened markets before with interim managers not counting,only official permanent manager wins,can't be that hard to understand.
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I heard you. And it doesn't change the fact that, ultimately, every punter is in the same situation - whether they back,lay or trade. It all comes down to whether the rules of the market(s) that they have used match what they thought.
They're being overly cautious imo |
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that's right book
but one time real madrid called somebody an interim manager when they gave him a 12 month contract. the high st paid out bf didnt. i imagine they're waiting to see what the fa do before they formulate the wording of any market. |
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Some bookie have stopped taken bets on Redknapp.
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I stand by my original comment - it's pathetic that they are so far behind.
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you may well be right that they're being overly cautious.
but it's understandable as they've had quite a bit of trouble with these markets in the past. |
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The moral of the story here is.............always ensure you have accounts with other sites for those inevitable occasions when betfair let you down
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I disagree mex - it's easy to be cautious but get the market up. A nice clear rule about it on the page would suffice.
Biscuit... that's taken care of ![]() |
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clambering over the prospect of backing Redknapp at 1.01 is pointless anyway.
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i haven't looked at any other sites.
are they betting on who'll be in charge for the next match, the euros, next permanant , or next full time? cos they could all be the same candidate,but they could be 4 differn't people. |
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Exactly mexicano.
If there's confusion there but they have the market up, that kind of proves my point. |
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Next match has already been announced as Pearce hasn't it, so it's unlikely the betting is for that.
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Purple worded it as the next permanent manager, and under their rules it is someone who signs a contract for at least 1 year.
Perfectly simple, no ambiguity...and no reason why betfair couldn't do exactly the same. |
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i would have thought that the fact that there could be confusion, and people trading/arbing acroos differn't markets thinking they're the same , when in fact they are differnt backs up their policy about being very carefull about the way they word their market.
we are in a situation where there could be more than one person managing england in the next few games, and experience tells me that causes bf problems in these kind of markets. so that's probably why they're being extremely cautious. |
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So mex, you think Betfair have done the right thing and all the other bookies are wrong/silly?
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i take your point rosie and agree with you.
but as i said they tread very carefully in these mkts. |
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i don't really take a view one way or the other jason.
i'm just tekking you that i know they've had aggro with these mkts, and ended up in court over them. so therefore i understand their caution. |
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I'm fully aware of that.
But so many things today are restricted because a minority are affected. People should take responsibility for their actions and check the rules before they bet - as the other bookies have clearly suggested. |
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All this fuss about a market that only becomes worth trading if Redknapp say's he's not interested. If he wants it, it's his and there's no need for a market. And seeing as Harry isn't exactly shy in talking to the press, we'll have a good indication sooner rather than later i think.
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That's not actually the case biscuit... if you were quick off the mark
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Mexicano, please go back and read all your posts and then admit that you never had an arguement, you hadn't thought things through and that you were wrong.
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that's fair comment.
but bookies only have the punters to worry about, if there's a dispute they sling the rules at them and settle. bf ,as you know is differn't if there's a dispute they are right in the middle and have to deal with clients on both sides. add to this people who are maintaining a position across various sites [who can all settle slightly differntly] amd as i said it can be pandemonium. |
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pixie - there's as much chance of that happening as there is of Capello being the next England Manager...
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mex - they're still punters of betfair, no difference, just more of them.
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Mexicano, please go back and read all your posts and then admit that you never had an arguement, you hadn't thought things through and that you were wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------- how can i be wrong here? i'm only posting my opinion about why they haven't put a market up. |