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By:
luna bid
When: 06 Feb 12 19:36
I give up he's not for listening just spouting !
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 19:38
Probs just a supporter of a small club obsessed with Celtic and their support.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 19:39
Haha, as if either of the Old Firm have done anything to make folk jealous or bitter towards them.

Go with Barcelona and Aberdeen as the teams I support if it keeps you happy to do so.

'Little survey' Belittling evidence that goes against whay you are saying.

How much people do you think watch Old Firm games in the UK?
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 19:41
Yip Luna I refuse to listen to purely made up facts like Celtic having 33 million fans in the USA!!!!

Which would make them by far the most supported sports brand in the whole of the USA!!!
By:
ramisabam
When: 06 Feb 12 19:45
jam bo
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 19:46
bitter and obsessed and embarrassedLaugh
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 19:47
id say either Aberdeen or WiganLaughLaugh
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 19:48
Wigan, Aberdeen, Barcelona and Hearts.

I have been rumbled.

How many viewers does the epic old firm derbies get in the uk these days?
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 19:51
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

oh the bitterness
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 19:53
Yeah bitterness its a terrible thing. Although delusion is worse in my opinion.

Old Firms still a big deal in the UK between two global powerhouses then?
By:
ramisabam
When: 06 Feb 12 19:53
rugby playing, sheep shagging junky
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 19:54
The FIFA Fair Play Award is an award given by FIFA to players who performed fair play in their games or were involved in a specific incident of fair play or the spectators were given for their good behaviour for a long period of time or fighting against racism.

In 2003, Over 80,000 Celtic fans were awarded for their behaviour and bonhomie in the UEFA Cup Final in Seville! No fans were arrested, and the behaviour was exceptional (relatively for a football support), and the award was an unexpected delight for all connected to the club. Thanks and praise must also be given to the Porto fans who were well received by the Celtic fans as well on the day.

It was the second time the award had come to Scotland. The inaugural award was given to fans of Dundee United in 1987 following their sporting behaviour in the UEFA Cup Final defeat to Gothenburg that year.

Former Celtic player Paolo Di Canio was awarded this prize after shunning a goalscoring opportunity while Everton goalkeeper Paul Gerrard was lying injured on the ground. FIFA described the act as "a special act of good sportsmanship."

yep Tiny clubLaughLaughLaugh
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 19:56
Getting 80,000 to the final is impressive but not the sign of a global club.

Its the sign of how much a once in a life time opportunity that was for the fans. Man Utd take less than that to European finals but dwarf Celtic in terms of how big a club they are.
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 19:56
It must be sad that your only interest in football is to be obsessed with clubs bigger and better than yoursLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 20:01
OK Johnny just you continue to paste those smileys as world football leaves Celtic and Rangers as nothing more than an after thought.

By the way the old firm games now get around less viewing figures than your average Super Sunday match in the UK.
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 20:02
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

the obsession continues
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 20:04
Facts continue.
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 20:05
you repeating the same drivel are not facts!!! Thankyou and goodnight, I missed that, who do you support????
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 20:07
Whats not a fact?

Best fact you boys came up with is 33 million Celtic supporters in the USA!!!
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 20:08
who do you support??Laugh
By:
ramisabam
When: 06 Feb 12 20:10
he is a man u fan
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 20:13
Not one shred of evidence that Celtic are a global club.

In terms of supporter surveys, shirt sales and TV contracts there is not one shred of evidence that they are a major global club.

Keep dreaming boys.
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 20:19
33 million in USA
10 million in OZ
32 gazillion in Asia
6 million in Africa, we haven't cracked that market yet.
and Everyone in Ireland and Manchester!!!!
3 million on Mars and I reckon when other planets are discovered they will all be Tims cause its a grand aul team to see!!!!!!

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By:
ramisabam
When: 06 Feb 12 20:21
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Johannesburg C.S.C.
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CSCs IN ASIA

Hong Kong C.S.C.

Hua Hin C.S.C.
Thailand

Papua New Guinea C.S.C.

Tokyo C.S.C.

Malaysia C.S.C.

Singapore C.S.C.

CSCs in AUSTRALIA

Brisbane C.S.C.

Melbourne
Jock Stein C.S.C.

Melbourne
Number One C.S.C.

Perth C.S.C.

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Western Sydney
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New Zealand C.S.C.
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(Brazil)

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The Barga Bhoys CSC
(Italy)

Brussels C.S.C.
(Belgium)

Dusseldorf-Bhoys C.S.C.
(Germany)

French C.S.C.
(France)

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The Italian Bhoys CSC
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(Spain)

Norway C.S.C.

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C.S.C. Polska
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Bedford C.S.C.

Birmingham No 2 C.S.C.

Brighton C.S.C.

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Daventry C.S.C.

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Celtic Dragons C.S.C.

South Wales No. 1 C.S.C.

Swansea Bhoyo's C.S.C.

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Association of Irish
Celtic Supporters Clubs

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Ardrossan Garryowen C.S.C.

Bishopmill Bhoys C.S.C.
(Elgin)

Carfin C.S.C.
(Motherwell)

Dennistoun No. 1 C.S.C.
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Orkney C.S.C.

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of Connecticut
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Ontario
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Calgary C.S.C.
Alberta
Durham C.S.C.
Ontario
Edmonton C.S.C.
Alberta
Fort McMurray C.S.C.
Alberta
Jock Stein C.S.C.
Hamilton, Ontario
London C.S.C.
Ontario
Montreal C.S.C.
Quebec
John Fallon
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Ontario
Ottawa C.S.C.
Ontario
Sarnia C.S.C.
Ontario
St. Catharines C.S.C.
Ontario
Toronto C.S.C.
Ontario
Toronto Beaches C.S.C. Ontario
Toronto Downtown C.S.C. Ontario
Vancouver C.S.C.
B.C.
Vancouver
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By:
Yaldee
When: 06 Feb 12 20:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJBmf2XzwcE

Whitey in da sh!tey ShockedShocked n Stunned n Shockeroonie
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 20:27
Sports Revolution estimated that there were 7 million Celtic fans in Japan, mainly due to the influence of Shunsuke NakamurLaughLaugh
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 20:29
Rangers owner Craig Whyte may have lied in court case

BBC Scotland has uncovered evidence which suggests Rangers owner Craig Whyte may have lied in court.

During a civil case last year, he told Glasgow Sheriff Court his seven-year ban from being a company director did not relate to treatment of creditors.

But the judge who imposed the ban said company assets were "put out of the reach of the creditors".

The Rangers owner accused the BBC of a "witch-hunt" and said the matter would be dealt with robustly by his lawyers.

Mr Whyte's seven-year disqualification, imposed in 2000, was revealed by a BBC Scotland investigation - Rangers: The Inside Story - which was broadcast in October.

After it was aired, Mr Whyte stated publicly that his ban related to a "technicality".

The programme also heard allegations that Mr Whyte controlled a company called Re-Tex Plastic Technology despite his ban, an offence which could incur a two-year jail term.

Following the documentary, Mr Whyte denied all the claims "in the strongest possible terms" and said he would be launching legal action against the BBC. The corporation has, as yet, not received a writ.

BBC Scotland has now obtained documents, dated after Mr Whyte was disqualified in 2000, appear to show that he controlled 85% of Re-Tex shares.

However, Mr Whyte continues to deny being anything other than a small investor in the company, which was wound up in 2003.

In a separate matter, the Rangers owner appeared in court in December to contest a case over an alleged unpaid £90,000 repair bill at his castle.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

    In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year”

Craig Whyte's spokesman

    Craig Whyte: Full statement

The 40-year-old, who was listed as owner of Tixway UK Ltd, was said to have ordered supplies from One Stop Roofing to repair the roof at his property in Grantown on Spey.

It was also claimed that Tixway failed to maintain a repayment plan agreed at the start of the 2010.

Evidence has been heard in the case and a written judgement is expected at a later date.

During his evidence, Mr Whyte was asked about his seven-year disqualification from being a company director.

In court, he said: "This is going back to matters some time ago. I don't have any recollection of what it was about just now."

He was then asked: "You can't remember why you were banned for seven years?"

Mr Whyte replied: "Well, I'm not going to say in open court and get it wrong."

The Rangers owner was then asked: "Was it anything to do with the treatment of creditors?"
Craig Whyte, arriving at Glasgow Sheriff Court Craig Whyte, seen here arriving at court, gave evidence last year

He replied: "No."

The BBC has obtained a transcript of the judgement which imposed the seven-year director disqualification on Mr Whyte.

The ban was handed down by registrar John Simmonds following a trial at the Royal Courts of Justice Companies Court in London on 13 June 2000.

The case relates to Mr Whyte's former company Vital UK, which collapsed owing creditors about £400,000.

Registrar Simmonds' ruling in the case appears to contradict the testimony Mr Whyte gave at Glasgow Sheriff Court in December 2011.

Registrar Simmonds ruled that "the assets of the company (Vital UK) were put out of the reach of the creditors on a somewhat dubious delayed basis".

The ruling continued: "Shortly after that Mr Whyte put the company into a members' liquidation disclosing promissory notes as an asset.

"This seems to me to be a self-seeking action with regard to the company. If this is too harsh, then the degree of recklessness shows Mr Whyte to be thoroughly unfit to be a director."
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

    Bringing revenues and costs back into kilter was going to be a challenge for any new owner. It's true across football, but it's most true for a club with a Bollinger lifestyle but a Tennent's-sized bank account”

image of Douglas Fraser Douglas Fraser BBC Scotland Business and Economy Editor

    Unravelling Rangers

About a month before some of Vital UK's assets were shifted, another of Mr Whyte's companies, Pelcroft, allotted £600,000 worth of new shares - almost half of which went to an address in the Bahamas.

Once a liquidator had wound up Vital UK, it pursued Pelcroft and recovered about half of the money owed to the creditors of Vital UK.

Registrar Simmonds' ruling concluded: "I have heard mitigation from Mr Whyte's counsel that he is a young man and that some voluntary recompense has been made.

"There is nothing that I have heard that the self-seeking behaviour and deliberately placing of assets beyond the liquidators that would not make this a middle bracket case and I consider seven years the correct order and I so order."
'Scurrilous allegation'

BBC Scotland asked Mr Whyte for a response and pointed out that the charge for deliberately failing to tell the truth under oath was perjury.

A spokesman for Mr Whyte said: "These accusations, which are simply a variation on what the BBC already alleged in a documentary riddled with inaccuracies and falsehoods and broadcast last year, are defamatory and clearly form part of a concerted campaign by the BBC to embarrass Craig Whyte personally and to damage Rangers Football Club.

"In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year. The responses he gave to questions relating to matters that took place some 17 years ago were given truthfully and to the best of his recollection.

"In the BBC's documentary last year, the accusation was made that Mr Whyte could have been guilty of criminal activity. Yet, neither before nor since the broadcast, has there been any criminal investigation into any aspect of Mr Whyte's business dealings."

Whyte could face the Jail.ShockedLaugh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16912365
By:
luna bid
When: 06 Feb 12 20:32
Yes ramisabam but does your long long list prove that Celtic are a Global Brand ?
By:
ramisabam
When: 06 Feb 12 20:33
yes i think it clearly does
By:
luna bid
When: 06 Feb 12 20:39
as do I though there are some that will see your list merely as a non fact technicality
By:
Yaldee
When: 06 Feb 12 20:49
The mrs recently bought one of these Rangers bras, she had to take it back,
its support was sh1t and the t1ts kept dropping out the cups....
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 21:04
Those Celtic supporters clubs dont prove anything. Celtic and Rangers probably have the most supporters clubs in the UK despite being nowhere near the biggest clubs.

A few ex Irish or ex Scots making numerous supporters cluba abroad does not point to a big global support.

Unless you consider Rangers to be a global club also?
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 21:13
johnny - Do you consider Rangers a 'gloabal club'?
By:
luna bid
When: 06 Feb 12 21:15
they are but not for too much longer !
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 21:15
No I dont.
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 21:16
Que how are Celtic are a global club and rangers are not.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 21:18
Jeepers - Rangers a global club?

If Rangers and Celtic are global sides why does the old firm match get significantly less viewers in the UK than your a average Super Sunday game?

Why is there zero interest in Scottish football in terms of tv conracts?

Why are neither clubs amongst the top twenty supported in europe when studies have been done?

Why are Celtic on a par with Fenerbahce and Galatasry and Marseille in terms of shirt sales?
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 21:28
the uk is not global your moron? super sunday do me a favorLaughLaughLaughLaugh

whats with your obsession with these tv contracts, you have spent the last few days harping on aboot them, feners and Gala have massive global support due to Turkish immigration similar to that of Celtics support.

your obsession is worrying, you try so hard to prove something that is unprovable, me thinks you worry to much about Celtic and not your own club, which is who????????????

whats your obsession with proving Celtics global support????????
By:
JamDav1982
When: 06 Feb 12 21:33
The obsession with tv contracts is that size of them are totally and utterly dependant on how many viewers will be watching each game. Both in the UK and abroad.

The fact that Scotland has no power at all in terms of tv contracts to foreign countries or even in the UK tells its own story.

What does 'Super Sunday do me a favour' mean?

Their is not much interst with the UK public in the Old Firm.
By:
johnnyc123
When: 06 Feb 12 21:48
and again the UK is not global. Couldn't give two fooks if the man on the street in the UK has no interest in Celtic, most of them haven't a clue aboot football so that does not bother me. You dont seem to grasp the concept there is a difference between supporters and TV viewers. Also its one of the reasons why the clubs down south **** themselves at the thought of a club like Celtic and its global appeal in the prem.

read this bit in bold., this is from a Rangers Director.

THERE are licensed premises in Glasgow where the regular patrons will consider the recent deeds and utterances of the former Rangers director, Hugh Adam, to be nothing less than acts of treason.

This should be regarded as a natural, almost understandable, reaction from immovably devoted supporters of the Ibrox club to the decision by Adam to unload his 59,000 shares in Rangers on the basis that they were heading towards worthlessness, thanks to the unsatisfactory business methods of the chairman, David Murray.

Almost certainly viewed as an even more heinous offence would be Adam’s claim that Celtic are run much more competently and that investment in the Parkhead club would be a much sounder proposition for anyone wishing to purchase shares in a football institution.

It would be tempting for many to dismiss Adam’s action as merely a gratuitous attack on Murray by a disillusioned, 76-year-old ex-employee carrying a grudge. But Adam has been a candid critic of the way Rangers have operated for years, ever willing to voice his unease - indeed, his incomprehension - at losses he has always insisted were unsustainable.

He also has impressive credentials, having been chairman and managing director of Rangers Development and Rangers Pools since 1971, raising the millions which built the modern Ibrox. Adam’s efforts brought the club around 18million, about 60million at today’s values.

To say that his final severance with Ibrox, after three separate terms as a director amounting to about 15 years of service, was done in a fury would be inaccurate, but in conversation this week it became evident that his decision is underpinned by unmistakable disgust.

Not given to sensationalism, this essentially conservative disciple of prudent forward planning and low-risk business principles did, however, cause something of a shock by observing almost matter-of-factly that, if Rangers continue on their present track, their ultimate destination will be bankruptcy.

"That’s the logical conclusion to a strategy that incurs serious loss year on year," said Adam. "In the past five years - and it’s all there in the last annual report - Rangers have lost 80million.

"Now, the banks are well known for being a bit more tolerant of companies whose core business is a popular pursuit like football. But there is a limit to how far backwards they can bend to accommodate you.

"David Murray has always had an amazing persuasiveness when it comes to getting people to put money into his businesses, but the signs are that those sources have dried up.

"The 40million worth of shares that ENIC (English National Investment Company) bought a few years ago are now worth about 15million, with no evidence to suggest that they will recover. The money itself, that which was actually invested, was lost some time ago.

"Now the latest investor, Dave King from South Africa, will know that his 20million shareholding is worth around half, or even less, of what it was when he bought. No proper businessman will want to buy into that kind of loss."

ADAM sold 12,000 of his 59,000 shares last year and the balance of 47,000 just recently. For the latter, he got 1.15 each; three years ago, they were valued at 3.45. He is convinced Rangers cannot trade their way out of trouble, unless they gain access to a league that will attract higher-bracket income from TV. He was in favour of the proposed Atlantic League, involving the Old Firm and clubs from Holland, Portugal and other countries, but is extremely sceptical of their chances of joining the English Premiership.

He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. "Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth," he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.

"A big response was expected - some were even talking about getting 100,000 names - because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.

"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.

"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.

"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.

"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.

"This doesn’t mean that even Celtic will earn fortunes from emigrant supporters. There may be more of them than Rangers fans, but it doesn’t mount to the kind of income necessary to fund their ambitions. But Celtic have been, since Fergus McCann’s arrival, much the better-run club.

"Fergus was the most unjustly maligned man in the history of the game, when you consider that he took the club from bankruptcy into the mainstream and built that stadium along the way.

‘NOW, the Celtic board have more financial heavyweights than Rangers, with people like Brian Quinn, Dermot Desmond and Sir Patrick Sheehy.

"It’s only in the last couple of years that Celtic have sustained losses, but over the five-year period they break even. But Brian Quinn and his board are taking steps to warn people that they are not in the business of heading towards bankruptcy.

"For their pains - for doing their job properly - they get crucified in the media, accused of penny-pinching. I don’t understand it.

"They are determined to keep Celtic properly managed, while Rangers, with Murray, is a one-party state and the man in power has an allergy to any form of personal criticism. But he’s not a businessman in the long-term sense of planning and prudence, he’s more of an impresario.

"But what has been happening is unfair on shareholders, and they’re being short-changed.

"It’s a nonsense, too, to say that Rangers’ shareholders are all supporters who aren’t interested in dividends or profits.

"That’s okay for the man with 50 shares, framed and hung on his wall. The number of shareholders in that category would amount to a minuscule percentage of the equity.

"But I’m 76 and haven’t had a dividend in years, so what’s the point of me keeping shares until they dwindle to nothing? And I’m certain the people at ENIC won’t be too pleased with their investment."
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