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Made a similiar thread to this a few years ago, thought that I would update it a little. If you like, it is the opposite strategy to the computer 1 plus goals thread - no disrespect intended, that is a cracking thread, but I feel that in the long run, this is the more likely strategy to be profitable, at least I have found it so over the last few years.
Basically the idea is to back 0-0 just before the match, at whatever odds, and then lay against 0-0 to lock in profit. Usually you can do this a few minutes into the match, even if you have a small stake. For example, if you backed 0-0 at, say, 13 before a match starts, and then the odds drop to 11 a few minutes after the start, then you can lock in a tiny profit. Even if your stake is small - e.g. let's say a £20 back at odds of 13 - you would still be able to lock in almost twice that amount of green should the odds drop to 11 at some stage early in the game.
Of course, in all likelihood, there will probably be a goal at some stage after you have done this, but at least it gives you a good greening out percentage from the outset. Sometimes you might even be able to lock in a tiny profit before the game begins - odds on the 0-0 could drop from a high of, say, 13, to a low of 12 just before the game kicks off, so you have instant green.
There are so many in-play games on Betfair these days, it would be just lovely to go a whole day greening up on the 0-0's throughout the whole day. Take it from me, I have done it, it's a nice feeling!
Of course, as in any betting, things can go wrong, a really early first minute goal could potentially spoil the bet if you did not get the opportunity or time to green up, but such occurrences are very rare. Games which end 0-0, or which at least reach half-time scoreless, are somewhat less rare than a first minute goal. In the long run, you should surely make money using this strategy. And it is a stratey, I believe, that some successful Betfair punters already use on here - (calling Buzzer, in particular!
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You can get some cracking odds on 0-0's. There was the C-Osake game this morning, for a start, where the odds for a 0-0 pre-match were at least 100, but they dropped down to about 55 just before the first goal went in. Ample opportunity to make a small profit from a small stake there.
As I say, I did do a thread like this a few years ago on here, but I never really followed through with my own idea! I have backed 0-0 at sensational odds, and won, but not on a consistent basis.
Might start doing that from now on!!!
Any comments from the new, fresh generation of Betfair punters on this old idea, more than welcome, ladies and gentlemen!
Basically the idea is to back 0-0 just before the match, at whatever odds, and then lay against 0-0 to lock in profit. Usually you can do this a few minutes into the match, even if you have a small stake. For example, if you backed 0-0 at, say, 13 before a match starts, and then the odds drop to 11 a few minutes after the start, then you can lock in a tiny profit. Even if your stake is small - e.g. let's say a £20 back at odds of 13 - you would still be able to lock in almost twice that amount of green should the odds drop to 11 at some stage early in the game.
Of course, in all likelihood, there will probably be a goal at some stage after you have done this, but at least it gives you a good greening out percentage from the outset. Sometimes you might even be able to lock in a tiny profit before the game begins - odds on the 0-0 could drop from a high of, say, 13, to a low of 12 just before the game kicks off, so you have instant green.
There are so many in-play games on Betfair these days, it would be just lovely to go a whole day greening up on the 0-0's throughout the whole day. Take it from me, I have done it, it's a nice feeling!
Of course, as in any betting, things can go wrong, a really early first minute goal could potentially spoil the bet if you did not get the opportunity or time to green up, but such occurrences are very rare. Games which end 0-0, or which at least reach half-time scoreless, are somewhat less rare than a first minute goal. In the long run, you should surely make money using this strategy. And it is a stratey, I believe, that some successful Betfair punters already use on here - (calling Buzzer, in particular!
) You can get some cracking odds on 0-0's. There was the C-Osake game this morning, for a start, where the odds for a 0-0 pre-match were at least 100, but they dropped down to about 55 just before the first goal went in. Ample opportunity to make a small profit from a small stake there.
As I say, I did do a thread like this a few years ago on here, but I never really followed through with my own idea! I have backed 0-0 at sensational odds, and won, but not on a consistent basis.
Might start doing that from now on!!!
Any comments from the new, fresh generation of Betfair punters on this old idea, more than welcome, ladies and gentlemen!
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I remember the time when I found out how to do this, I put 100 on a team to trade and then found out it wasn't in play! It came in as well
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Yes, that's a risk, cold turkey. One way to avoid that would be to wait and see, just after kick off, and make sure the match is in play.
Of course, you could deploy this strategy with any correct score, not just 0-0. If a match is 1-1 after, say, half an hour's play, you should be able to back under 2.5 goals at very good odds. Just a question as to whether you want to risk waiting a few goalless minutes before the odds come down and you can green out easily. But I still think that backing 0-0 from the off is a good policy - after all, something like 1 in 8 football matches do actually finish scoreless. |
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would you be looking to trade in the first 3 mins?
as with all trading like this i guess your risk is a goal going in early or during the minutes you have under 2.5 gls backed. gl |
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Indeed Paulol, but all gambling is a risk. Would rather do it this way, risking only a smallish stake, than risk a big money for small gain, which is what the 1 plus thread seems to be implying in some ways.
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do you only double your money if it stays 0-0 after greening up though?
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paulol,does this sound familiar?remember what i was saying?
black cat, spot on mate, good luck with it!! |
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hi aueng you ok mate? not seen u on here this week
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ya not 2 bad thanks yourself?had a bit of a mad weekend so betting wasnt on my mind really!! was out for the game last night gutted with the result but good game
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Thanks aueng.
Paulol, the idea is not really to double your money, but just keep building profit. If it means a small stake on each match, resulting in a profit of only 0.01 pence in each game, fair play. The big money will be build up over time. The trick is to find a consistent and profitable method of greening up. I have been on here for years, and having tried various methods, this 0-0 backing with a view to trade sounds one of the more plausible for getting money into your account. Only my view, of course. |
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I can give you an example right now, in the current Paks v Kaposvar 13:30 match. Just a few minutes ago, 0-0 was something like 11 to back. Now its nearing 8ish!
Just one example. |
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I think the majority of people are aware of this trading technique, and I think it is sound if you are happy with very low profits. Most people are looking to average more than backing/laying 0-0's can generate. I only ever back a 0-0 with a tenner, where the odds are going to fall in 5-tick increments. to put £100 on for example is suicide and a bad run can wipe out your bank quickly.
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Is buzzer about?
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Oh, of course Baby-Noah, small stakes are all most 0-0 backers would recommend.
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very unskillfull and reliying on luck
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i think most bets rely on a little luck tho,no?
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Not necessarily xxxxxxxxx. It just has to be done over a long period to test whether it is profitable or not. I tend to think not which is why I wondered if buzzer is about as he is attributed to using this technique.
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Date Joined: 09 Dec 10 Add contact | Send message When: 02 Mar 11 14:04 Joined: Date Joined: 09 Dec 10 | Topic/replies: 230 | Blogger: xxxxxxxxx's blog very unskillfull and reliying on luck Too many spelling mistakes in such a short sentence to consider your opinion to be valid xxxxxxxxx Hello b c and Alex |
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xxxxxxxx is different as he never loses aueng, he is very fortunate to have 100% accuracy rate.
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LOL! Hello buzzer, I knew that if I updated this old theme that you would be making comments on here!
Relying on luck too much though, this system, apparently.................[:o] |
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100% bloody hell the man must be minted
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I thought you were shrewder than that, black cat. Good luck.
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Do you still do this buzzer?
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why not lay, time of first goal 0-10? 0-0 price usually hasn't moved too much in the first 10 minutes
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It relies, as do other successful trading/betting techniques, on being able to gauge out of synch prices. I'll be honest backing the 0-0, at inflated prices, used to be far easier than it is now but it can still be done.
I wouldn't like anyone to just blindly bet a 0-0 at 10 and wait a few minutes and hope to secure a win because over time i'm sure, especially taking into account commission, it would be a losing strategy. It can still be profitable but in many high profile games some big hitters have joined in the fun making the margins extremely tight. If pushed i'd side with b c on the backing being more profitable than the laying purely because the majority of, i'll say small time but it's not meant in a derogatory way, layers cross the spread to lay at the backers price from what i've seen and read on here and we all know, barring an early goal, which way the price goes. |
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So to sum up it's like everything else on betfair, if you are guessing you'll get crushed. Eventually.
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"I thought you were shrewder than that, black cat. Good luck."
Well, thank you rocket to the face, not sure how to take that!!! lol! Well buzzer kind of advocates this method of betting, and that's good enough for me. He is the correct score backing and laying king!  |
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I have found a 0-0 that starts of at about 7 or 8 odds is a waste of time. A 0-0 however that starts of at 15-20 or even more odds is more worthwhile. The odds fall quick in those games first 5-10 mins and in 5-tick increments until the odds reach 10, then it goes 9.8, 9.6, 9.4 etc. You easily get a £30-40 profit on the 0-0 with no stake risk (apart from 5 or so mins you waited to get it back). I never let that type of bet run though and will try green out all scores for £2 to £3. Have to say you would have to do this a hell of a lot and on the right type of matches for small profits and of course there is losses that reduce the overall profit.
I only do the occassional game when I can be bothered, it isn't productive enough for the effort and time spent IMO. |
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Buzzer is not advocating it. He is saying that where the CS price is wrong that it is worth a go.
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"I have found a 0-0 that starts of at about 7 or 8 odds is a waste of time. A 0-0 however that starts of at 15-20 or even more odds is more worthwhile. The odds fall quick in those games first 5-10 mins and in 5-tick increments until the odds reach 10, then it goes 9.8, 9.6, 9.4 etc. You easily get a £30-40 profit on the 0-0 with no stake risk (apart from 5 or so mins you waited to get it back). I never let that type of bet run though and will try green out all scores for £2 to £3. Have to say you would have to do this a hell of a lot and on the right type of matches for small profits and of course there is losses that reduce the overall profit.
I only do the occassional game when I can be bothered, it isn't productive enough for the effort and time spent IMO." All horses for courses, Baby-Noah's-Dad, depends what you want out of betting. If a system like this only produces an income of £70 a week, or £10 a day, achieved through small stake betting, and that is all that person wants, then I feel that this is a method worth looking into. If you want more, then maybe your betting should concentrate on other things. But if there are successful 0-0 backers on here - and there clearly are - then the backing 0-0 method with a view to trade is worth consideration. |
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Why are these people, on the most popular selection in that market, prepared to consistantly give away money? And why isn't someone already biting their hand off?
I think it represents the risk involved. |
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Of course, rttf, but as has been said on here, gambling on any market is a risk.
Backing 0-0's is a risk, but only a minimal risk if the starting stake is small and the odds are so very good in many cases. |
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if you are backing a draw at 20-1 the chances are there will be an early goal in the game.
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The problem is you can easily get green on all scorelines and have £50-60 on a 0-0. If you green out you only get £2 or £3 because the odds are still too high, and if you wait there is a good chance a goal will come along. All the time your sitting watching the odds move or the game for potentialy nothing. The games where you can get green on the 0-0 with good potential profit are so unlikely to actually finish 0-0, I just think its a waste of time.
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I'll conclude on the subject by saying a few years ago there were plenty of fairly big players who saw laying 0-0 as the holy grail/free money (whatever you want to call it) and they often used to push the price out, in the process of course shortening other prices to keep the (nigh on) 100% book, making the backing of 0-0 worthwhile. Over the past 2 to 3 years things/betfair has changed and no doubt many of these one score layers have gone skint or have perhaps realised where they were going wrong.
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Of course you can't win them all, you are bound to get caught out sooner or later. If we could win them all, we would all be living in luxury apartments overseas counting our millions!!
No system is fool proof or risk proof, we all know that. Some games would pay to leave a large green on 0-0. For example, that Pak game I mentioned earlier...............still 0-0!!!!! It can work out, as in all systems, there are good and bad points. |
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Will take that back - been a goal in the Pak game, about an hour into play!!
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What you're essentially saying though is that through luck and hope you'll take money from folk who have a pretty good idea what the odds should be not just before the match but during the match as well.
Certainly possible, or nobody would make a profit. But is it likely in this scenario? |
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Only one way to find out rocket to the face, and it will be a small stake way if I decide to do it consistently.
Up to the individual - a lot of my betting is on tennis these days, but when I do bet on football, I would like it to be in terms of low stake, potential profit building bets. This is one possible scenario that fits that bill. |
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black cat are you in profit over lifetime of your account, or are you still trying new ways to get in profit?
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