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black cat
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Made a similiar thread to this a few years ago, thought that I would update it a little.  If you like, it is the opposite strategy to the computer 1 plus goals thread - no disrespect intended, that is a cracking thread, but I feel that in the long run, this is the more likely strategy to be profitable, at least I have found it so over the last few years. 

Basically the idea is to back 0-0 just before the match, at whatever odds, and then lay against 0-0 to lock in profit.  Usually you can do this a few minutes into the match, even if you have a small stake.  For example, if you backed 0-0 at, say, 13 before a match starts, and then the odds drop to 11 a few minutes after the start, then you can lock in a tiny profit.  Even if your stake is small - e.g. let's say a £20 back at odds of 13 - you would still be able to lock in almost twice that amount of green should the odds drop to 11 at some stage early in the game. 

Of course, in all likelihood, there will probably be a goal at some stage after you have done this, but at least it gives you a good greening out percentage from the outset.  Sometimes you might even be able to lock in a tiny profit before the game begins - odds on the 0-0 could drop from a high of, say, 13, to a low of 12 just before the game kicks off, so you have instant green. 

There are so many in-play games on Betfair these days, it would be just lovely to go a whole day greening up on the 0-0's throughout the whole day.  Take it from me, I have done it, it's a nice feeling!     

Of course, as in any betting, things can go wrong, a really early first minute goal could potentially spoil the bet if you did not get the opportunity or time to green up, but such occurrences are very rare.  Games which end 0-0, or which at least reach half-time scoreless, are somewhat less rare than a first minute goal.  In the long run, you should surely make money using this strategy.  And it is a stratey, I believe, that some successful Betfair punters already use on here - (calling Buzzer, in particular!  CoolCool

You can get some cracking odds on 0-0's.  There was the C-Osake game this morning, for a start, where the odds for a 0-0 pre-match were at least 100, but they dropped down to about 55 just before the first goal went in.  Ample opportunity to make a small profit from a small stake there. 

As I say, I did do a thread like this a few years ago on here, but I never really followed through with my own idea!  I have backed 0-0 at sensational odds, and won, but not on a consistent basis. 

Might start doing that from now on!!! 

Any comments from the new, fresh generation of Betfair punters on this old idea, more than welcome, ladies and gentlemen!  Grin
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Report black cat March 8, 2011 1:38 PM GMT
LOL!!!!
Report Charkitz March 8, 2011 1:43 PM GMT
So how does this system work on the occassions where the odds for 0-0 actually drift once the game has started? I've seen matches where the 0-0 has been at 13 at kick-off and 5 minutes into the match it has drifted out to 16.

I once adopted a similar strategy to yours Black Cat when I backed a 0-0 in an A-League game at the odds of 16 before kick-off and after 15 minutes the odds for 0-0 were still 16. I couldn't lay off the 0-0. The goal inevitably came before the odds even moved so that was the first and last time I attempted this strategy.
Report black cat March 8, 2011 1:47 PM GMT
I would have thought that such occasions were rare, Charkitz, in  a situation like that I would just withdraw the stake at break even point, or even take a small red.

To make up for the odd disappointments like the one you mentioned, there are games like the one buzzer highlighted above to make up for it!  Just great trading games!
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
ITS A RUSSIAN ROULETTE SYSTEM STAY WELL CLEAR
Report black cat March 8, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
Not for women's matches like the one above it isn't irish!!!   [:o]
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 2:20 PM GMT
THATS ONLY 1 WOMENS MATCH
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 2:23 PM GMT
IS LIGUIDITY NOT VERY VERY LOW ON WOMENS GAMES EXCEPT FOR WOMENS WORLD AND EURO AND OLYNMPICS MAYBE
Report black cat March 8, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
Another one starting at 4.00 p.m.!!! 

Whhy don't you do pre kick-off trading for the 4.00 p.m. match now??  Or try it with any low liquidity match.

You might be surprised at how much the odds fluctuate, on any market................
Report scoobyknows March 8, 2011 2:26 PM GMT
WHAT HAPPENED YOUR THREAD ON IRISH FORUM HORSE ??
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
No mate to risky this system imho
Report black cat March 8, 2011 2:38 PM GMT
LOL!  Nothing risky in backing 0-0 at 19 - currently available on the other women's game - and watching those odds drop to below that before kick off and then locking in profit!!!! 

Why not try it?  If, a minute or so before kick off at 4.00 p.m., the odds stay at 19, you could always cancel your bet. 

Where's the risk in backing at 19 now, then placing an unmatched bet at 17, and then seeing if the price drops?  The only risk is if the odds go higher than 19 and keep going higher.

And for a smallish stake,that's not a very big risk, is it...............?
Report xxxxxxxxx March 8, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH YOU TALK. THIS SYSTEM LIKE EVERY OTHER SYSTEM ON HERE DOES NOT WORK
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
what if theres a goal in the 2nd minute
Report black cat March 8, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
I think this system is great!  Must be good, otherwise xxxxxxxx would not keep posting on here!!!

Irish-Lfc, did I say anywhere to wait until the women's match started?!
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
no put if you only bet on womens games your very limited to amount of games there is on


and what i if you cant green before it starts



most games you cant green before the start and you have to wait 5 mins at least and very often thier is a goal even in leagues were you think theyll be a cagey start  a low scoring game dsont predict the time goals will be score look at argie game last night anyone would have been screwed Sad
Report aaronh March 8, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
that's the risk surely..if you're that worried take a small red Confused
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
Well I have not specialist as yet in low liquidity games with this method, but after Buzzer's post above, maybe that is one area that needs to be looked at. 

Not just women's games, but low liquidity games. 

Remember that for this system to be successful you have to have about 5 successful lock ins of profit for every loss.  That's if you decide to trade each game out as soon as possible.  pretty good ratio, I feel.   

It's up to you, as I said to xxxxxxxxx before, I am not forcing anyone to do anything they are not comfortable with.  If you are not comfortable with it Irish, then fair enough.

But I am certainly not comfortable with the method you advocated on this thread - betting on under 4.5 goals at the start of a match!  Two early goals and your shi**ing yourself!!!!    Cry
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 8, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
This system works. I have been making 10% of my stake every time. I have been using it for 1 week and have not lost a single trade. Can't lose. Guaranteed to win everytime.
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:04 PM GMT
LOL!  Thanks baby-noah,not sure whether you are being serious or sarcastic!  The former, I hope!!!!
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
but do you need to wait ten mins by greening up early your reducing your profit  and that means ifif you hit a loser which happens very often you need to win about 15 times in a row to get back the money and bay the time your bound to hit another loser again


and with this system your **** yourself for ten mins i done game last night waited 10 mins was just about to hit lay and then boooooooooooooooooom goal the system is far too risky unless you make sure the game dosnt go in play  but that woukd be then free money and everyone would be at it


baby noahs dead on ce you hit a loser your profits will be more than half wiped out theres no point to this system theres too many early goals absoilute bollox[>o][>o][>o][>o][>o]
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
Odds have now gone up to about 22 on that women's game I mentioned, for a 0-0.  Would not be surprised if they went up a bit higher, before dropping down again.   

But even if they don't, as aaronh said above, there's no harm in taking a small red if you are not comfortable with a bet going in-play.  There will always be other opportunities...............
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
So try and lock in a profit before the game even starts, irish!!!
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
you have to be a very big player to just betting before play theres not that many games you can trade before game




even french divsion 2 ffs [>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o]


then a goal goes in in the first minute then another one on the 8th
Report aueng March 8, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
you cannot lose with this system. its impossiblePlain
Report aaronh March 8, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
black cat - just ignore irish Laugh

IM OUTTA HERE
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
The argies didnt say hold on we wont score before 10 because punters world wide are using a system here Laugh [>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o][>o]...
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
LOL!  Allright, aaronh, actually I thought xxxxxxxx was the one to ignore - everybody else seems to ignore him, anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

[;)]
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 3:26 PM GMT
im not knockng the system but its ridicolous imho



a team can go 30 games without thier being a goal the first 10 mins of thier games then next game boooooooooom goooooooooooooooallllllllllll first minute


theres no legitmate statistical advantages to carry over


this may sound a bit lke a gary lineker pharse but its a fact that football is a 90 minute game not an 80 minute game Cool
Report aueng March 8, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
its not ridiculous, its just slow and steady profit
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 3:32 PM GMT
then 1 loser wpes your bank it cant be done theres too many early goals even when you be selected 


then some league like the premier league shows no goals in first 10 on saturday then fecking a goal in the first minute of the italian serie b


A CALL THIS SYSTEM THE HEART BREAK GOAL Sad
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 8, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
I've never lost once using the system, win 10% of my stake everytime.
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:41 PM GMT
Ah, Baby-Noahs-Dad, you were being serious!  Did you have to let all these games go in-play, or were you able to lock in profit before the game began?
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 8, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
cant tell you how I did it. have been applying the xxxxxx (aka mario) model to this system.
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
LOL!   Well, as long as it works for you, Baby-Noah!!
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 8, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
It is all greened out before kick-off. All trading done before game starts. There is zero risk/liability. Can't lose. License to print money. Free money.  © xxxxxxxxx system 2011
Report black cat March 8, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
LaughLaugh
Report aueng March 8, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
wheres xxxxxx? let battle commenceLaugh
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
Well if you can do that then your the master
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 8, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
has his head down a u-bend but will be back on later.
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
boooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm goalllllllllllllllll 3rd minute of the womens game
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
i told you its too unpredictable
Report black cat March 8, 2011 4:04 PM GMT
LOL!  I never suggested an in-play trade in that game, irish, it is you who keeps on about the in-play thing!! 

Your not xxxxxxxx brother, are you?!
Report aueng March 8, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
are u doing this on every game?
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
no i dont do this anymore but black cat that is just example of how this system is random
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
then why do people keep going on about ten minutes ten minuytes



and most games you cant green up before game
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
so the system is bollox
Report aueng March 8, 2011 4:11 PM GMT
green up whenever u can i would imagine. no time restrictions.
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:15 PM GMT
but once you hit a loser your done keep greening up 50p oh **** i have hit a loser i have lost 50 pound then your screwed
Report aueng March 8, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
where ya from in ireland?
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
and you couldnt green up on that french game when the goal came same with a game in turkey therw no gaurentee the odds will swing your direction once game goes in play
Report xxxxxxxxx March 8, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
xxxxx is working hard on tonights game.il have a guarenteed profit before kick off, unlike you lot on this system LaughLaugh
Report aueng March 8, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
stick it to the doubters xxxxx!!! me 2, laid roma 4.1,backed 4.8, watch the barca game no worries
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 5:11 PM GMT
xxxxxxxxx are you dong some sort of scalping do you do this every game
Report xxxxxxxxx March 8, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
irish i like to call it trading, i do it on games with high volumes of money, always have profit before game kicks off, iv prob lost about £15-20 from leaving at red in the last year which is only about 3 times on silly games with no money involved
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
so you makng good bucks


so no turk division  3 games Laugh
Report xxxxxxxxx March 8, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
doing ok mate yeh, not mega bucks tho
Report black cat March 8, 2011 5:39 PM GMT
Think that I will leave this thread for a little while, it has become the debunkers show!! 

Anyway, best wishes to everyone for now, especially to xxxxxxxxx and Irish lfc, who seem to have gambling sussed!!!  LOL!! 

See you all later on other threads!  [;)]
Report aueng March 8, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
hey black cat,sorry if the thread got a little off the subject,it seems to be working for you so stick with it, its all good if u can make it work.good luck man
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
when did i ever say i have gambling sussed no where  just cant see how this system works thiers too much of a chance of that early goal


if i had gambling sussed why would i feel the neeed to try out methods
Report black cat March 8, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
How about this for an idea, irish-lfc.  Let's say you back 0-0, (with a smallish stake, of course), and one or two minutes into the match, a goal goes in.  So you lose your small stake. 
There is nothing to stop you from then backing the correct score again - Let's say 1-0 or 0-1 - at very good odds against, and recovering your stake that way! 

Sure, another goal could go in very quickly, but again, two quick goals at the beginning of a match is very rare. 

Paper trade it if you like - I bet that you will find that, if you adopt a policy of betting on ANY correct score for an inplay match, whether it be 0-0 or 1-0 or 5-4 - I bet you will find that you make a profit that way.
Report Pagan_born March 8, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
Black Cat, it seems reasonable, but... he must increase stakes for that next bet if he wants to recover previous loss. Or you advise level stakes, so not to recover previous loss, but only to continue with the same stake? In that case, it's just equal to leaving that match alone, and deploying his original strategy (back 0-0 pre-match / lay early in the match) in next match. The case is, two early goals are very rare, I agree, but they may happen!

Your proposal resembles me to this idea:

www.punterslounge.com/forum/f19/perfect-martingale-system-111514/
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 8, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
im trying method on match odds 

you wouldnt get your stake back on the 1 nil becsue you would have to wai a very long time to green up to get stake back by that time a goal has been scored
Report black cat March 8, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
Yes, good point pagan, but odds can be very good, especially if the unfancied side take the very early 1-0 or 0-1 lead. 

In all seriousness, it is good that you are trying out new methods, Irish-lfc, it pays to change a losing game, assuming that you have had losses recently.
Report black cat March 8, 2011 8:41 PM GMT
An example of how odds can change so rapidly on the correct score market, Irish-lfc and others.  Just before HT in the Barcelona vs Arsenal game, the odds on correct score of 1-0 were 6.4.

30 seconds later the HT whistle went, and odds immediately dropped to 5.8 for a 1-0 scoreline!   Quite a drop in half a minute! 

Just a question of timing your staking, and taking it from there.  Sure, you need luck, but if you do this system enough times and over enough matches, you should make a steady income.
Report xxxxxxxxx March 8, 2011 9:48 PM GMT
STUPID SYSTEM
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 9, 2011 10:13 AM GMT
I staked £10,000 on last nights game, and was greened out for £1000 (10% of stake) 5 mins before kick off. Awesome, I used the mario system model © xxxxxx productions 2011.
Report rickie March 9, 2011 10:24 AM GMT
Im sure I endorsed that just before HT tactic back on page 8, you cheeky monkey black cat[;)]
Report black cat March 9, 2011 11:46 AM GMT
LOL!  Indeed you did rickie, and how right you were!!!  The odds went back to 6.4 in the Barcelona game soon after that though, bizarrely, still during the HT interval! 

Great system this is!  Baby-Noah is right!  Grin
Report rickie March 9, 2011 11:55 AM GMT
Yep often about half way through the HT interval, the layers start ganging up and push the price back out to pre HT levels, can still be a profitable few minutes though.
Im giving AEK-Anothosis a bash, not an expert on the Cypriot league by an means, so smallish stakes only.
Report black cat March 9, 2011 12:24 PM GMT
Well good luck with that, rickie, so far I have made a bit of money........on a Turkish 3rd division game!!!! 

LOL!!!
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 9, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
whats going on here now have you stop 0-0
Report Baby-Noahs-Dad March 9, 2011 1:31 PM GMT
I'm just waiting on the 3-3 CS system, when are we starting that one? :)
Report rickie March 9, 2011 1:34 PM GMT
Backing 3-3 in Leeds CS would be hugely profitable this season[;)]
Report black cat March 9, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
Well, I had a 3-3 with Wolves vs Spurs.  Blush
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 10, 2011 11:40 PM GMT
time to ressurect this thread im on  gody cruz
Report xxxxxxxxx March 10, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
black cat you must agree by now how bad this "system" is
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  i belive your up to something
Report xxxxxxxxx March 11, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
Laugh what do u mean irish
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 12:16 AM GMT
i believe you have someway of profiting from this anyway i made a 10 percent profit on one of those brazilain games before game started
Report xxxxxxxxx March 11, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
i have a way of making money but not by using this silly "system"
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
BUT IS INVOLVES THE CORRECT SCORE MARKET DOES IT



ANYONE IM GIVING THIS ONE LAST GO
Report easykc1 March 11, 2011 12:56 AM GMT
lotto players
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 12:58 AM GMT
greened up gody cruz now on to sao paulo
Report black cat March 11, 2011 10:30 AM GMT
This system is great!!!   Went green on Spurs vs Milan the other night, and kept green on the 0-0 throughout the match.

Worked a treat!!! 

Makes up for the odd loss.  Great system!!!
Report xxxxxxxxx March 11, 2011 10:36 AM GMT
black cat stop congratulating yourself on such a poor system that relys on luck
Report black cat March 11, 2011 10:38 AM GMT
Must be something about this system, or you wouldn't keep posting on here!!!
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
black cat are you in profit



what games you pick
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 5:18 PM GMT
greened up on all german games now off to take a bath
Report G Hall March 11, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
I haven't read all the pages,so apologies if this has been said before,but surely backing current score is the way to make it pay,goal goes in back it again,use a staking plan surely there is a pound to be made.
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
true but what about those crazy games like that have goals in short spaces do you mean back 0-0 green if can if theres a goal then back 1-0 green if can but one g=crazy game could wipe you i inmagine
Report G Hall March 11, 2011 7:08 PM GMT
not sure really just a thought,if you have a set target per match it should be possible,but must be better brains than me,on here.
Report IRISH-LFC-2011 March 11, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
PORTUGESESadSadSadSadSad
Report black cat March 11, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
"black cat are you in profit



what games you pick"

Well, too late for that tonight!  But yes, I am in profit on correct score betting. 

Happy
Report tommycockles February 28, 2013 10:09 PM GMT
ttt
Report henok February 28, 2013 10:21 PM GMT

Mar 11, 2011 -- 5:38PM, G Hall wrote:


I haven't read all the pages,so apologies if this has been said before,but surely backing current score is the way to make it pay,goal goes in back it again,use a staking plan surely there is a pound to be made.


i think this is terrible strategy. you can back under 2.5, under 3.5 instead.

Report henok February 28, 2013 10:24 PM GMT
better approach would be to back under 4.5 or 3.5  and lay 0-0. if you are picking value, you can easily minimize volatility in your betting and make a steady income
Report undern February 28, 2013 10:39 PM GMT
is blackcat still around Confused?
Report sweetchildofmine February 28, 2013 11:20 PM GMT
one of the classic threads this  Happy
Report kanu200000 February 28, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
Argentinian Football is good for 0-0
Report sweetchildofmine March 1, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
lol that irish guy had some meltdown  Laugh
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