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here: -200 Mugasco v Seppi

Why are you betting on a sport that you seem to know little about with money that you can't afford to lose?

Speed knitting, is bob's forte.

Dreadful shame there are no markets on here for him to take advantage of.

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what makes you say i know little about tennis Rob?

Because you back Azarenka and Goerges on the basis that you find them attractive, backed Bartoli because she said she wanted to win in an interview (amazing a player wanting to win) despite knowing nothing about her opponent and never having seen her play, and backed a Verdasco who has been on the decline for years at heavily odds versus a Seppi who has been showing some reasonable form...

Of course, it's easy for me to say this after the event for the Verdasco match, but the points remain on the others.

Why are you betting with money that you can't afford to lose?  Or can you afford to lose it and it's just been taken from your betting fund so to speak?

I don't think that it was a tip off, if I recall correctly I said I was happy taking 2.2 on Azarenka when I felt it should have been evens the pair, and they duly went off evens the pair, so I was happy with the bet win or lose.  And it was against Kvitova.  But well done all the same.

Are you going to answer the other questions or do you ignore questions directed at you?

Well it is true Bob. You know more about tennis players than the average joe in the street, but compared to fulltime punters, your knowledge is very shallow. You know a few big names, and you tend to go for them regardless of who they're playing or what sort of form they're in.

Yes, you 'picked out' Aza - although whether you picked her out for the right reasons, or just got lucky is up for debate - but otherwise you mostly inhabit the world of the mug bet.

If you're good at betting tennis matches, why do you need to resort to Martingales?

Of course losers will be picked Bob. But if you can't make your bets pay for themselves overall without resorting to Martingales, then you're making bad bets. (Which is exactly what Rob and Cat are saying.)

Look at your last three months. You seemed to have made around £300 from two months. You then lost £1700 the next month. End result? You're down £1400 from three months!!  If you're averaging £150 a month, just how many -£1700 months do you need to have before your money runs out?  What would it take for you to realise that any type of betting that relies on Martingales is utter drivel?

Hate to harp on about this Bob, but have you considered that maybe betting is just not for you?  You seem to have made zero headway with learning what makes a good bet, and appear to have little inclination or ability to come up with any sort of strategy or angle.

Last week Ked and Simon popped up on this thread. I don't know if either of them will have any long-term success, but Simon at least seemed to have something approaching a strategy. And Ked seemed to have instincts (presumably derived from watching lots of football) that he trusted and which had served him well over several months. As far as I could tell, neither of them had been 'given' these strategies or instincts by anyone else.   You, though, still seem to be scrabbling around in the dirt and coming up with a handful of pebbles every time.   

Are you lazy?  Do you not just have the right sort of mind?  I suspect the truth is a combination of the two. If I was you, I'd just decide that betting wasn't for me, and that I had to move on and try and find something else to fill my time. Because clearly you're only setting yourself up for misery if you continue to make bad bets, and rely on Martingales to make everything okay.

A mathematical brain that believes that Martingales is the way to go.... Hmmm...

Putting bets in a spreadsheet to tell whether they would have made money without Martingales isn't a sign that you aren't lazy, by the way.  It's not like this money doesn't mean a lot to you, after all.

You seem very keen on logging all the losses that you rack up - hence, you know exactly how much you've lost at every bookies since Maunsell's Day, for instance.  Recording losses isn't, in itself, a very productive way to spend your time.

What you should have done, rather than logging all your losing bets last week, was to log the Top Three horses in every single race. Log all of them. Log their prices (win and place). Then record whether each horse won, placed or was unplaced.   That's the easy bit. Now, go through every horse on your spreadsheet and record every factor you can come up with. Also, go back to the horse's last race race, and record the distance, class and result there.  Search on Google for speed figures, subscribe to one of those services and try and record those. How does the horse compare to other horses in the field? How close together is the field in terms of ability?

Then, when you've got columns and columns of factors next to every horse, go through and see which ones won and which ones lost. What factors might have tipped you off as to what made a 'favourite' a false favourite? 
Then go and do this again the next day. And the next day. And the next day. Gradually you'll start to appreciate what it is that makes one favourite a back and another favourite a lay.  That's the sort of work you need to put in if you're going to be successful.  Forget this sadistic recounting of your many battle wounds. Start recording the right information instead.

Most of the races will be fairly random, but every day you'll see a race here and a race there where there was a clear mispricing. Identify two, three or four of these a week, and bet only on those, and you have a chance of success.

Give up lads you're just going round and round in circles with this clown...

It won't just be presented to you Bob. You have to go and find one....

And I'm not surprised you PMed Simon asking about his strategy. Poor guy!!

Pardon my ignorance but Who is Simon? (too many posts to read through)

just so everyone knows,paulme just lost a big bet (£2 for him) on following that mug on the euro u21 games,he will be totally




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bob should ask pistashio for advise on to how to get his losses on the u21 game back

Bob, I'm quite handy with maths but by no means a genius. When I first discovered martingale I guessed straight away that it couldn't work and within about 20 mins had worked out why. Your continued use of it suggests you have a very unmathematical and unanalytical brain. Unsuitable for profit on here.

Only if she lets you....

i would say thats a good thing for the girls out there,as im sure the sight of bald bob would make them feel sick

FFS. You're a thicket, Bob.

That fella who was trading bob did you thank him at all or just harrass him? he  responded to your first bombardment and you just went back in for more...

you trade? so how do you decide who to back/lay first? how many times a match will you trade in and out? do you have a normal job?