shame on manchester united and liverpool

Should read

shame on liverpool:

should read: who gives a flying f***?

Man Utd and Liverpool are not really British clubs

only 2 premiership clubs not to support

Make love not war.

Seems a bit strange that they refused to have the poppy on the team shirts. Not much effort really is it.

too much debt

its a disgrace

They both do - but you can't see it against the red background

Agree with gas. Very strange decision imo

These 2 clubs have millions of supporters in every nation around the world, far bigger than any other british clubs. I can understand why they have said no, not that it makes it right when all is said and done.

particularly surprised at liverpool. they love a mourn ;)

we are doing our bit for the vetrans, we are playing caragher and that greek bloke, give us a break

lol RP

All you do
All you do
Allllll you do is f*cking mourn
All you do is f*cking mourn

are they afraid of upsetting the local population in these smack-riddled cities?

I hope you sing that song quietly, mav. You don't want to upset your manager.

lol

Just say no to those heroin supporters.

bad bad decision

These poppy fascists are pathetic. World War II was fought to ensure we kept our ability to make decisions like this.

the poppy is about the fallen in all wars dont show yourignorance

RMB doesn't aftertime 06 Nov 13:19

World War II was fought to ensure we kept our ability to make decisions like this.

Errr, I don't think that was the reason

RMB doesn't aftertime 06 Nov 13:19


These poppy fascists are pathetic. World War II was fought to ensure we kept our ability to make decisions like this

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Not just about WW11 its about the soldiers giving their lives NOW.

they died to save wonkers like him :(

I'm fully aware of that, I was just giving one example. It's absolutely pathetic that you believe that an individual or team's decision not to wear a poppy in some way suggests they value the sacrifices made by all those that have fought in wars in a lesser light than those that do. It smacks of the very sad level of desperation that so many people feel the need to go to in order to llok like they're take the moral high ground.

if you care about something you fight for it

Of course. But in this case the logic is surely flawed. I'm quite sure that any supporter that goes to a professional game tomorrow will have ample opportunity to purchase a poppy should they wish to. I already have one, but will still contribute to a collection if I have some change on me when I walk past those collecting at the game I'll be attending. Why feel this desperation for every club to sign up? What does that prove? Why not quit whinging and do what you feel is right and leave everyone else to do the same.

im a united fan and feel it is wrong

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders Fields.

How the hell is it "wrong"? Football clubs in this country do not have a history of putting poppies on their football shirts. It never happened till a couple of years ago. One side thought it would be nice to do it and others followed suit. That's their right. Manchester United have chosen not to. Are you seriously suggesting that because of that United as a club or any of those that represent it value the effort made by those that have given their lives in war any less? The way some of these people in the Daily Mail and such like go on, anyone who doesn't wear a poppy is evil. It's so simplistic and mind-numbingly painful to listen to.

RMB, These i.m.o have a duty to support things like this, they should have no choice, my under 13 team will be along with nearly every other sunday league side, be having a minutes silence, its about RESPECT.

Do the german teams wear poppies too? What do they wear for their fallens? Or is British lives more important than other nationalities.

R.M.B Do you hug trees?

you are wrong rmb lets leave it at that

Completely disagree - it's all about choice. Having no choice in decisions is effectively fascism. That's what this nation fought so wonderful to prevent the spread of. I admire the actions of your team, you're doing what you feel is right. But you should not be forced into that by anyone.

RMB doesn't aftertime is 100% correct, a lack of a poppy on a football shirt does not show disrespect.

GUYBRUSH.............

To british people YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!

My grandad fought in ww1 and he hated the poppy, partly cos it was originaly American. He was a member of the British leigion but just didn't like the poppy as a symbol and from what he said he wasn't the only one who felt that way.

Bit selfish then. So german people do not need to wear poppies, nor non british nationals. Ot is it a choice for foreigners.

arsenalman 06 Nov 13:41


RMB doesn't aftertime is 100% correct, a lack of a poppy on a football shirt does not show disrespect

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In your opinion, i respect his opinion, even if it is opinions like this that have led to the breakdown of morals in this country.

"it is opinions like this that have led to the breakdown of morals in this country" Bit out of context there I feel...

Guybrush Threepwood 06 Nov 13:43


Bit selfish then. So german people do not need to wear poppies, nor non british nationals. Ot is it a choice for foreigners.

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If living and earning in Britain, yes they should.

So should all british born taliban supporters have to wear poppies too?

Guybrush Threepwood 06 Nov 13:45


So should all british born taliban supporters have to wear poppies too

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Grow up

So it is no then.

NO its "Breaktime is over" its back to school now.

Break time over? Do you feel you're losing this argument that spectacularly that you have to curtail it?

Some of you obv need a history lesson in how the poppy became a symbol as it certainly isn't British! Google 'moina michael' if you think it is British!

I am just saying it should not be compulsory to force everyone to wear a poppy. If it means so much to you and your family then wear it and we all understand why. But do not force it upon those who do not care about it and means nothing to them.

Unpatriotic people really P.iss me off.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

God save the German queen who is married to a Greek? That's pretty patriotic.

Oh no!! not another Villa fan who exactly are these unpatriotic people?

Oh no!! not another Villa fan 06 Nov 13:51


Unpatriotic people really P.iss me off.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN


so you must respect the irish republicans who fought the british oppressors in their country.

How are you managing to confuse the right to have a choice over whether you and your organisation do or do not wear poppies with a lack of patriotism? Your logic is fundamentally flawed.

MALAY 06 Nov 13:54


Oh no!! not another Villa fan 06 Nov 13:51


Unpatriotic people really P.iss me off.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN


so you must respect the irish republicans who fought the british oppressors in their country

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Don't know enough about it to comment on it.

And i am not saying everyone should be forced to wear one, just big organisations like Football clubs, should be made, by the F.A to comply

the beeb will be aghast

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green
And was the holy lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen

And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark Satanic mills

Bring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spears o'clouds unfold
Bring me my chariot of fire

I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
'Til we have built Jerusalem

Why should the FA make every club comply with this now? Football clubs have never had poppies sewn onto shirts until recently. What's changed to make it so insulting that it doesn't happen now but it was fine for teams not to have poppies on their shirts all the way through the 50's-90's?

the premiership is nothing to do with the fa

Baffles me how a song about workers striking over modernisation in a flour mill in London became a patriotic song!

f**k em who cares,invaded more countries than any other...

In that song villa Jerusalem as a metaphor for Heaven, a place of universal love and peace, not very apt

For 'song' read 'poem'

bbc2 06 Nov 14:00


the premiership is nothing to do with the fa

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WOT

padlock 06 Nov 14:03


f**k em who cares,invaded more countries than any other...

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:)

P.M.S.L

bbc2 - more inaccuracies.

1) It's not called the Premiership and hasn't been for a few years.

2) The F.A. Premier League is the league's official title and that gives a clue in the title wouldn't you say? It clearly does have at least a little bit to do with the F.A.

would they not be better flinging in all thepremier league players bonuses for a week into a pot for the injured and pensioned from Blairs crazy war, in fact a month's bonuses, they can afford it, instead of this hollow, pathetic, poppy on a shirt nonsense.

Poppy - here we are not all Brits on here !

Great thread though BBC

Wish i could stay a bit longer, got to go and get my head shaved.

Good luck in your betting all of you.

And don't forget your Poppies ;)

no it doesnt rmb an independant organisation no mention of fa

People have the choice to wear poppies or not, that kind of choice is exactly the kind of freedom that soldiers fought for, particularly in WWII, if we go down the route of FORCING people to wear them they may have well not made all the sacrifices they did.

I'll be wearing my poppy but I won't be acting like a Nazi to try to force everyone else to wear one.

bbc2 06 Nov 14:10


no it doesnt rmb an independant organisation no mention of fa

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Nearly all football in England is run by the F.A

Even my under 13 side has to be registered with the F.A, before they are allowed to play.

I think he's just on a wind up now because he lost the original argument so decisively.

the premiership is an umbrella organisation to market said league sky and sponsoship deals.

the fa neogotiates the coca cola side facup carling cup etc

along with the international side

CailiniDeas8 06 Nov 11:45
Make love not war.

You said the premiership (which it's not even called) is nothing to do with the FA. That's absolute nonsense. Having an argument with you is a bit like having a modelling contest against Valuev.

just explained what the premiership does nothing to do with the fa

did the premiership build the new wembley the fa did

Were your parents related?

Groundhog Day?