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Another long stage with a hard climb right at the end and then another very steep wall that hardly even shows on the profile! Looks like another breakaway. You'd think we'd be looking for a powerful rider who can escape on the flat but also a good enough climber to drop his rivals on the late lumps. Astana might fancy getting a couple of Nibali's super domestiques in the break here to see if they can salvage something from a disastrous GT. Otherwise Ulissi is probably a decent shout here.
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A chasing group of Oss, Kung, Navardauskas, Ligthart, Kluge, Trentin and Rovny would be capable of chasing down Brambilla and Moser and maybe one or two other riders on good sensations on the climb, in fact Ligthart being one.
Going to have a look at them closer and see who looks to want to fight.
Going to have a look at them closer and see who looks to want to fight.
Brambilla certainly ticks all the boxes in that he will be capable of getting over the climb with an attack, then descend fast and be strong to the line -- looks like a genuine hardman, however I'm thinking it might come back together in the final 6-9kms in a group which is about halved to 10 riders.
Don't forget as mc1 alludes to in his post, with 2.5km to go the road kicks up at about 13% for 500m (including 250m @ 16%!) then a short descent and flat final km.
Moser is going to be good up this climb so he is likely to be trading much shorter than the 7s and 5s being matched, with the view of laying some back after he goes over the top in first position.
Yes nugg, that definitely brings back the likes of Moser, meaning the others will have to attack him prior, which is why 4/1 or better is good value on Moser, I believe. Should be trading much shorter, later.
So, essentially Moser and Brambilla have two bites of the cherry here.
Moser did look short initially, but I think the market might panic when he attacks on the Pramartino climb, on closer inspection, and if the market doesn't than he has that second bite where the market will eventually want him covered, so one or another -- all things being equal --he should be going Evens at some point from 4/1, presently.
The danger is Brambilla getting a gap on the climb, consolidating on the descent, and going "hardman" solo, where he will fatigue on the climb 2kms from the finish.
The danger is Brambilla getting a gap on the climb, consolidating on the descent, and going "hardman" solo, where he will fatigue on the climb 2kms from the finish.
Mohoric off the front of the break, 21yo with good results as a Junior including WC in 2012 and 2013, but he isn't capable of climbing from what I can see.
Moser not a bad descender from what I remember, so he should be capable of preventing Brambilla from extending the gap on the descent.
Hopefully McCarthy has a go and isn't working for Rovny here.
Le Gac and Brutt off the front -- no concerns after opening a gap quickly.
Rovny came in well on stage 10 nugg, McCarthy couldn't cope on Willunga Hill at TDU earlier in the season, would want him over McCarthy.
Funny how Tinkoff had a man in the break yesterday and 3 in the break today but had no one there on stage 16 to chase when Majka was caught in the Chaves group behind the leaders.
TKS had given up on Majka by then, protecting their men for stage wins.
lol, 2 local bookies didn't have Moser listed today after being listed every other stage
lucky there is always the bf exchange
lucky there is always the bf exchange
Majka a massive disappointment here, big questions being asked about his GC credentials going forward. As I think you alluded to earlier?
No, just bad from his team or they dont really care about his gc race. Majka did come 3rd in the last grand tour.
Navardauskas doing solid work for Moser that has confirmed his good sensations.
They don't care, they've laid down the law for Majka for stages 19/20 to be competitive or get a stage win and that's all. And that was a while ago.
Anyway, double feature coming up, stage win and GC fun. 
McCarthy getting the nod today by TKS it looks like, I don't like him, though.
Moser 4/1 into 51/20 -- nice move, but I'm waiting for Evens to pay for Ligthart and Brambilla as a saver.
Brambilla looks as strong as when he won, needs to be covered, I believe.
Moser and Brambilla are the only tw left on the climb. Brambilla driving, Moser struggling a bit.
Even if I went a bit early, which was a tad silly, he'll stick with Brambilla or get back on on the descent. 2/1 presently, he will go Evens, I believe.
Even if I went a bit early, which was a tad silly, he'll stick with Brambilla or get back on on the descent. 2/1 presently, he will go Evens, I believe.
Thank you! Moser trying things -- can't believe this 2/1 is still available. 
Traders going for Brambilla, I guess, no surprise, he looks like a bar-room brawler without the theatrics -- solid rider!
I guess that was Timmer earlier, since Arndt is trying to bridge, the other TGA rider was dead, earlier!
This is good from Moser, very comfortable with him going odds-on now.
Arndt on the descent might bridge, but as nugg pointed-out c/- MC, there is that last climb 2kms from line, which will end him, probably.
Rovny bridges to Arndt -- always the better option to McCarthy, I haven't covered him beyond the Moser green, though.
Brambilla the better descender, Moser keeping the gap, though.
Back together, and Moser comes through to do the work, which might suit Brambilla better.
The answer to my question re: Arndt's descending skills nugg -- mediocre or nothing special! 
Brambilla and Moser can time trial they should hold them off
Moser looking fatigued in comparison to Brambilla, but they are both suffering, understandably.
Trentin in an armchair, but Brambilla looks as fresh as he was when he won earlier, adding more Brambilla!
Brambilla looks very hard and fast if it's between them both after the final ramp than it's Brambilla, I believe.
Brambilla with the sit, tightens the shoes, he has this...
Trentin came through like a locomotive, like a steamroller on the track.
EQS DS was on the line with Brambilla telling him to sit as Trentin was storming home nugg, Brambilla softened for team command for Trentin win mate -- cut the crap!
perfect tactics because Moser had Brambilla covered in the sprint
EQS had Moser covered twice, however he went 4/1 into Evens as predicted, exchange analysis was sound.
Rubbish! Brambilla had the sit, had Moser covered with the sit, looked fresh and electric, just exhibited team focus to slow Moser with the sit.
Yes, I dont think Brambilla was beating Moser today. Was on Moser and Brambilla at sp probably like others luckily was able to get on Trentin late though.
Whatever -- your expertise did give the forum this:
nugget 26 May 16 15:35 Joined: 04 Nov 05
Trentin is dangerous
Cheers,
SP
nugget 26 May 16 15:35 Joined: 04 Nov 05
Trentin is dangerous
Cheers,
SP
May 26, 2016 -- 3:54PM, SwingingPick wrote:
Rubbish! Brambilla had the sit, had Moser covered with the sit, looked fresh and electric, just exhibited team focus to slow Moser with the sit.
well if he had the sit why didn't he sprint past him for second
Trentin was fresh too as was sitting on from a long way out
…because Trentin was storming home, because Trentin sacrificed himself throughout the classics and deserved the victory, because that is how EQS race, because Brambilla would have had Moser in the final 50 metres if Trentin didn't arrive. EQS were brilliant, just required us to hit Trentin when he joined the Arndt, Modolo, and Rovny group, but no pics and weren't on the road like EQS vehicle command.
I'm not complaining mate, I know Brambilla was the strongest of him and Moser, Trentin came through after attacking from another group, with better pics this was an obvious lock to cover him like Brambilla was covered. It was a classics-style finish and he is a specialist, fair by Brambilla to just sit as ordered, after all he already had a stage win.
Actually, looking at the replay, admittedly Moser was still strong, but the addition of a third party always changes things.
In the sprint for second Brambilla had every chance, I agree, and he still didn't get past Moser, so I'm willing to regress on that a bit.
The finishes of the last two stages have been thoroughly entertaining.
Kruijswijk is so confident apparently he says he has no weakness
Kruijswijk is so confident apparently he says he has no weakness
I think if Moser had of seen him coming he could of still won.
I don't like to blow my own trumpet and I hardly ever do since most forum readers actually read the threads closely, but this is funny, so I will:
SwingingPick 26 May 16 13:58
A chasing group of Oss, Kung, Navardauskas, Ligthart, Kluge, Trentin and Rovny would be capable of chasing down Brambilla and Moser and maybe one or two other riders on good sensations on the climb, in fact Ligthart being one.
Trentin chases down Brambilla and Moser.
Good stuff by nugget to remind about the last little climb and confirming Trentin joining the chasers. Failure by director of pics and not having access to race radio.
Cheers,
SP
SwingingPick 26 May 16 13:58
A chasing group of Oss, Kung, Navardauskas, Ligthart, Kluge, Trentin and Rovny would be capable of chasing down Brambilla and Moser and maybe one or two other riders on good sensations on the climb, in fact Ligthart being one.
Trentin chases down Brambilla and Moser.
Good stuff by nugget to remind about the last little climb and confirming Trentin joining the chasers. Failure by director of pics and not having access to race radio.
Cheers,
SP
Moser should've had TKS DS in the ear screaming that Trentin was closing -- didn't even look back once.
If Kruijswijk gets given a hard ride tomorrow, I firmly believe he will crack on stage 20.
That's all I am going to say.
That's all I am going to say.
Yesterday's stage wasn't up to much but Tuesday's and today's were brilliant! I was watching on catchup so no in lay bets but what a superb finish!
Actually I will also say this as my final post:
Yes, agreed, good exciting racing to conclude the business-end of the Giro this edition, and more to come if altitude becomes a factor as I believe it will.
| Rider born location | elevation in m |
| Chaves | 2,640 |
| Kruiswijk | 16 |
| Climbing on stage 20: | 2,700+ |
Yes, agreed, good exciting racing to conclude the business-end of the Giro this edition, and more to come if altitude becomes a factor as I believe it will.
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