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Monday. 21 September. Men's TTT.
Thursday. 24 September. Men's ITT.
Sunday. 27 September. Men's RR.

TTT Course: Shorter course than what is the standard for a WC, at 38.8 kms. "Teams will roll off from Henrico County at beautiful Lewis Ginter Botanical Garden, originally the Lakeside Wheel Club, founded in 1895 as a gathering spot for turn-of-the-century cyclists. The opening kilometers race through Richmond’s historic Northside neighborhoods leading into downtown.
     The course continues east through town and down rural Route 5, which parallels the 50-mile Virginia Capital Trail. The first few kilometers are scenic, flat, open roads that eventually narrow and wind through Richmond National Battlefield Park, a historic Civil War site.
     The race re-enters the city through Shockoe Bottom, eventually making a hard right turn on Governor Street to ascend 300 meters. At the top, teams take a sharp left turn onto the false flat, finishing straight, 680 meters to the finish."

  Team   Worst   Best    Projected 
  BMC    Evens    5/4      4/5         
  EQS    11/4      4/1      11/4       
  OGE    5/2        4/1      5/1         
  MOV    6/1        12/1    14/1       
  TCS      14/1      20/1    10/1       
  AST      20/1      50/1    50/1       
  SKY      28/1      50/1    66/1       
  TGA      28/1      66/1    40/1       
  TLJ      25/1      66/1    33/1       
  IAM      40/1      80/1    100/1     
  TFR      30/1      80/1    80/1       


BMC -- Current WCs. Won the stages in the Crit Dauphine and TdF. Showed their impressive bike handling skills and professionalism in the short Vuelta opener, also. Four of the six riders from last year's WC race line-up here again. Worthy of being installed as the short-priced favourites. Hard to beat.
EQS -- 3rd, last time. Will be led by the Panzerwagon with long pulls. Have trained well. Making strong suggestions of giving a winning performance. Consider very closely.
OGE -- 2nd, last time. Excellent team harmony. Will miss Hepburn if as expected he is a late scratching, or if he starts he may not be at his best. Take on trust.

Good luck to all,
SP

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By:
marychain1
When: 20 Sep 15 15:53
I've backed Orica at 6.6 and laid BMC at just over 11/10 average. I have it between the top 3 as well, but it is a shorter & easier course than previous editions and this could also bring some other strong teams into it.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 18:53
Is there any start order advantage, presently?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 19:16
RR Course: The 2007 US Open of Cycling was a classic-style race from Williamsburg to Richmond covering some 180 kms, however what makes it most interesting is that the peloton covered eight circuits of the same cobbled climb in Libby Hill Park which will be the first of the three climbs to the finish in the Road Race on this occasion, coming as will at about 4kms to go. Very much like the Hellingen of Flanders, and with some half-a-dozen turns, I would suggest that there will be selections by the classics riders, and that it is highly unlikely that it comes back together for a bunch sprint.

By:
marychain1
When: 20 Sep 15 19:27
Could suit someone like Boonen then?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 19:32
Whilst I like the look of EQS and their harmony appears good, and they appear to be the best value, I cannot go past BMC for their TTT defence. They have four of the same riders from last year, and they only require four to get over the line together. As an OGE countryman I always look at OGE closely and am the first to convince myself of their strength, however I don't like OGE here at all, they look quite weak even though Hepburn is starting, I'm not sure Bewley can blow himself up for the team like earlier in the year I believe, and if they hadn't gone on the drift I would have laid them, considerably. Bit too expensive now, and if they're angry they may get close, so not willing to risk it or pull my hair out trading.

BMC should be in it for a long way. Plus, they ride the best bikes. Cool Love

Good luck to all,
SP
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 19:39
It could suit Boonen, would never discount a former WC over this type of course, but I think it might prove to be one for an Ardennes classics rider, more -- but still waiting for better prices with the Books and also to get matched for my five selections, on here. I mean, Boonen versus Gilbert over this course, both WCs, and what with the technical nature, such a straight-out, head-to-head match-up has to go with Gilbert doesn't it?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 20:10
Great GPS sectionals from the host broadcaster -- this is the type of thing we need in the WT races.
By:
marychain1
When: 20 Sep 15 20:19
Looks like you're right about Orica - Bewley out the back door - BMC and Etixx looking the two still in it
By:
marychain1
When: 20 Sep 15 20:27
Can BMC do that final climb as well as Etixx did?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 20:33
Better than the final three to go out, over the entire course, a proper BMC destruction job!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 20:35
I note you said "someone like Boonen" MC, and Svein Tuft won that race in 2007, and he is certainly more Boonen than Gilbert.
By:
marychain1
When: 20 Sep 15 20:35
I had doubts whether Phinney would be fit enough for that and whether Dillier and Kueng would be able to last the pace at the tail end of the season at their age but they just smashed it to pieces. Brilliant ride by Dennis as well.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 20:37
End of TTT:

1.) BMC
2.) EQS
3.) MOV

4.) OGE
5.) TGA
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Sep 15 20:39
Massive failure by OGE -- thought they would have had the podium, at least.
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Sep 15 12:20
Small bet on Brennauer today, looking for an each way bet as well. Possibly Stevens 33/1.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 22 Sep 15 14:57
Good luck MC -- no bets for me -- I don't trust the women! MischiefLaugh
By:
CJ70
When: 22 Sep 15 15:08
Been looking at this after watching the U23's yesterday and nothing jumps out at me pre-off.

Juniors streamed anywhere?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 22 Sep 15 18:26
http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/article/2015/07/29/upcoming-cycling-sbs
By:
CJ70
When: 22 Sep 15 18:34
Geoblocked. In UK we get U23 men and elites but the rest doesn't seem to be available anywhere.

In Ponferradina the whole thing was streamed by the UCI, guessing that's not the case this time.
By:
CJ70
When: 22 Sep 15 18:42
Would be tempted by Tara Whitten to pick up the early lead, but no liquidity in the market so wouldn't be able to get out.
By:
CJ70
When: 22 Sep 15 18:59
Armstrong doing an Armstrong.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 22 Sep 15 20:05
UCI is streaming live, but they got some crazy deals going that people in Canada and the USA are even blocked. They have a schedule and geo-block link, but the page cannot be found, which is kind of convenient. Anyway: http://t.co/6VbAKB4szS
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Sep 15 21:11
Looks like the conditions are going to be ok for the late riders
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Sep 15 21:22
Brennauer 6th
By:
CJ70
When: 22 Sep 15 21:30
Great ride by Villumsen
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Sep 15 21:42
3rd brennauer :(
By:
CJ70
When: 22 Sep 15 21:58
My word. I never knew Villumsen was in a relationship with Emma Trott.
By:
marychain1
When: 23 Sep 15 00:34
2015  »  World Championships - Road Race (WC)
Classic  »  Richmond  ›  Richmond   (259.2k)

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Startlist http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=163330&c=3
Market http://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/road-world-championships/mens-road-race/winner
Coverage of this race starts in the UK from 2pm on Eurosport 2. However, the race is 260km long and being as it is 16 laps of a 16.2km circuit, even the most enthusiastic fans would have to admit that this could be a little on the dull side for the first few hours, resembling a city criterium. The course itself looks fairly interesting. It has some cobbled sections, and has three short steep climbs back-loaded into the final 4km. It also has some fast descents and plenty of sharp turns. The nature of this course will make it difficult to control the race as it speeds up. There are 22 turns in total, including several 90 degree turns and two hairpins. In total, that makes 365 turns. The constant changes of pace and the length of this course will mean that energy conservation will be crucial and positioning will be all-important as the late attacks begin. Those with a vested interest in bringing the race back together will have their work cut out on the final section. Those three climbs in the final 4km will also make it harder for the sprinters. The first is a winding ascent through Libby Hill Park.

This is a cobbled climb and although I don't think this is the Koppenberg exactly, it will make it harder for the riders who aren't cobbled specialists or even climbers. As far as I can make out, this climb is about 200m long. There is then a descent before the climb of 23rd Street.


This has been resurfaced, but is said to be upto 19% and 110m long. Even a short climb like this could be enough to distance the sprinters taken a number of times at pace. There is then another descent with some sharp corners that will make it hard for dropped riders to re-engage, before a longer (300m or so) final climb up Govenor Street. We already know this climb from the TTT and the tough false flat that follows it.

How will it play out
There are as always number of interesting questions to consider when finding the winners of the worlds.
1) What can the host nation produce? BMC have already won the TTT and although the American team do not seem to have a natural contender, having the rainbow jersey riding for an American team in 2016 would be massive from a commercial point of view so riders in BMC or Garmin’s roster for next year have to be given a second look.
2) How will trade team alliances cross over with national team colours? We saw in 2013 that Valverde could not chase Rodriguez (national team mate) and Rui Costa (trade team mate) and drag Nibali back in to contention even though he might have been a likelier winner considering the flat finish, and in the end Rui Costa took the win.
3) Do sprinters take this?
A sprint of some sort is considered very likely by the books. Kristoff and Sagan are joint favourites, with Bling and Degenkolb next in the market. These are all sprinters who are renowned for being able to get over climbs and (certainly in the case of Kristoff, Sagan and Degenkolb) ability on the cobbles. These are all proven classics specialists. Kristoff has not been in the best of form in recent months, and he only has 5 team mates, although if it does come to a sprint Boassen-Hagen should be able to provide a superb leadout. Sagan has been in fantastic form this year, getting stronger as the year has gone on. Crashing out of the Vuelta could well prove an advantage in terms of having time to prepare and although he is used to working solo, he might find it hard marking all the late moves by himself. I wonder whether any Tinkoff men in the field might give Sagan a hand? I think both these two are serious dangers but at the price I am happy to let them win without my cash on.

John Degenkolb is slightly different, he is a serious threat with a very strong team. Germany look to have an excellent combination of support men and leadout. Even the Gorilla was practicing his leadout role in the Tour of Britain. Degenkolb will be Germany's captain unless it ends in an unlikely blanket bunch sprint and then Greipel will be plan B. 12/1 is a very fair price for Degenkolb in my eyes. The other interesting fast man is Bling Matthews. Again, he has full team support from Australia following Gerrans' difficult year. The Aussies have a very strong team as well, and they are very astute tactical riders that know how to exploit in-race situations and when they put a plan together they rarely come up short. This has been Matthews' goal for the whole year, and I think he should be on the premises.

I don't think this course favours a sprint. I think the course itself will be fairly selective. The climbs are tough, but more of a problem will be the constant changes of direction, but the cobbles, the descents and the cobbles will also make things hard. The bunch will naturally thin out, at times we will see riders taking corners in single file. The constantly changing nature of this course will mean that it will be hard to organise a chase and sole attackers can use this to their advantage. I think one day specialists are the way to go here. Of course, Degenkolb, Sagan and Kristoff are proven in the classics in races like this, but I do think they may be vulnerable to late attacks on the climbs from riders like Gilbert, Van Avermaet, Stybar, Valverde, Terpstra and Boonen.

Poland have the defending champion in Michal Kwiatowski. The course looks like it should suit so much that I think he would be approaching favouritism if his form this year wasn't so sketchy. Since his Amstel Gold win in April he has shown almost nothing, although he did finish among the lead groups in Quebec and Montreal, which will give his supporters some crumbs of comfort.

Belgium have a phenomenal squad. They have three leaders in Gilbert, Van Avermaet and Boonen. Their support squad is stupidly talented. Benoot, Vanmarcke and Vandenbergh would be team captains in most teams. The one issue you wonder about is whether they have too many cards to play? That could be an issue, but it also might work the other way. Gilbert could attack on the last climb allowing one of his team mates to sit on and take the win. Gilbert and Boonen have both won the Rainbow Jersey previously, it will be interesting to see if one of them can do it again or if Van Avermaet can join them. He has been getting closer and closer in the classics, but has never won one yet.

Spain also have a strong squad, with Rodriguez, Valverde and maybe also Sanchez or Lobato as options. I think that this course suits Lobato best of all, but I think Spain will ride for Rodriguez and like in 2013 they will fall short. I'd like to see Great Britain ride for Luke Rowe. He's a strong rider who can thrive on cobbles and has a fast finish. I think Rowe will have to wait for his breakthrough though and the rest of the team are either not suited to this course, over-raced or just not good enough, and this won't be a winning year for GB. Italy have loads of possibilities. Viviani is a confident sprinter who has shown excellent recent form and has prepared and trained specifically for this race. I wonder whether he will get the support of his team though as they have plenty of other options. Nibali has been in great recent form and will surely try a late attack on the climbs. Diego Ulissi is a punchy rider that could win from a small group if the sprinters are dropped. He won a stage of the Giro that was a very similar finish to this course, and recently won the Marco Pantani and had a 5th in Quebec. The Italians have a strong team of domestiques and also have a couple of potential alternative weapons in riders like Oss and Trentin.

France have Bouhanni and Demare as options in a sprint but it could be Gallopin and Alaphilippe that are more suited to this course. If Gallopin escapes he could be a tricky man to pull back, and Alaphilippe showed he can feature prominently in long, big field classics with tough finishes this spring. Holland are another team with a very strong team. Eyes will be on Tom Dumoulin, and whilst this course could suit him, he is also concentrating on the ITT, and Niki Terpstra will be the team leader.

Colombia have got a decent team, but they would surely have preferred more climbing. Rigoberto Uran, who moving to Garmin and is in great form after winning in Quebec, is probably their best option. Riders that could be suited to the course from other teams include Navardauskas of Lithuania, Rui Costa of Portugal and Albasini of Switzerland. All three have shown that they can follow the right moves and win from small groups so cannot be discounted despite a lack of team mates. Indeed, Rui Costa himself showed that it doesn't have to prevent you winning this race in 2013.

Who wins?
There are a number of ways this race can pan out, but I'm looking for someone that can win solo or from a small group. I think this course could set up nicely for my main bet Niki Terpstra who won't mind the length, climbs or cobbles. He showed he was in superb form during the TTT, and has a very strong team behind him. The 2014 Paris Roubaix winner had a superb classics season without getting on to the top step. He won his national championships for the 3rd time this year, and he can make up for exclusion from last year's team by getting his hands on the rainbow jersey this time. 40/1 is a superb price and I've taken the 4 places. I've also backed Greg Van Avermaet. I think he has got nearer and nearer to winning a big one and although I'd have liked a bigger price than 16/1 (4 places) I think he has a great shout in a race like this, he would be a brilliant result for the Americans riding as he does for BMC. I was a little torn between Gilbert and GVA but in the end I My third pick is Julian Alaphillipe. I was torn between him and Gallopin but I think that at 50/1 Alaphillipe has all the hallmarks of being a potential great and his 2nd places in Liege-Bastogne-Liege and Fleche Wallonne read well on a course like this. Lastly, I have backed Bling Matthews. I have taken 14/1 about Bling without worrying about 4 places. He has a strong team that he leads, he could even possibly count on support from other riders, he will have no problems on the climbs and he has prepared for this all year.

**Terpstra 40/1 (4 places)
*Van Avermaet 16/1 (4 places)
*Bling 14/1
1/2pt Alaphilippe 50/1 (4 places)

Good luck everyone
By:
marychain1
When: 23 Sep 15 10:24
Taken Dennis for today's ITT.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 23 Sep 15 14:57
Libby Hill Park climb is significantly longer than 200m, it is 700m at 4.8%, whilst the Koppenberg is 600m at 11.6% and it's fairly straight in comparison, for what will hurt the peloton most here, are the four main twisting turns which on the cobbles impedes even an expert rider's momentum. I mean, even the Paterberg is a straight climb, but by the top turn it absolutely destroys most riders. The North 23rd Street climb is much shorter but a lot steeper, about 250m at 10.8%. Finally, the Governor's climb starts before they make the right hand turn, but goes up the full length for 600m at 5.8%.

Three such tough climbs in 4kms, and Kristoff is favourite? Cool
By:
SwingingPick
When: 23 Sep 15 15:14
Panzerwagon for the ITT for me. Was getting all excited for Rohan Dennis the last few weeks in fact, after watching an interesting discussion about him here, but this power course at 5kms extra distance is made-to-order for the Panzerwagon and he is absolutely livid for EQS failure in the TTT and will be out for revenge.

START LIST:
Start    N°    Name    UCI Code    Team
14:43:30    1    MARTIN Tony    GER19850423    GERMANY
14:42:00    2    DUMOULIN Tom    NED19901111    NETHERLANDS
14:40:30    3    KIRYIENKA Vasil    BLR19810628    BELARUS
14:39:00    4    DENNIS Rohan    AUS19900528    AUSTRALIA
14:37:30    5    MALORI Adriano    ITA19880128    ITALY
14:36:00    6    BRANDLE Matthias    AUT19891207    AUSTRIA
14:34:30    7    CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan    ESP19870427    SPAIN
14:33:00    8    BODNAR Maciej    POL19850307    POLAND
14:31:30    9    KUENG Stefan    SUI19931116    SWITZERLAND
14:30:00    10    DOWSETT Alex    GBR19881003    GREAT BRITAIN
14:28:30    11    BARTA Jan    CZE19841207    CZECH REPUBLIC
14:27:00    12    SANTOS SIMOES OLIVEIRA Nelson Filipe    POR19890306    PORTUGAL
14:25:30    13    SERGENT Jesse    NZL19880708    NEW ZEALAND
14:24:00    14    PHINNEY Taylor    USA19900627    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
14:22:30    15    VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen    BEL19830201    BELGIUM
14:21:00    16    JUUL JENSEN Christopher    DEN19890706    DENMARK
14:19:30    17    COPPEL Jerome    FRA19860806    FRANCE
14:18:00    18    NAVARDAUSKAS Ramunas    LTU19880130    LITHUANIA
14:16:30    19    OVECHKIN Artem    RUS19860711    RUSSIAN FEDERATION
14:15:00    20    VANGSTAD Andreas    NOR19920324    NORWAY
14:13:30    21    URAN URAN Rigoberto    COL19870126    COLOMBIA
14:12:00    22    GRIVKO Andriy    UKR19830807    UKRAINE
14:10:30    23    HOULE Hugo    CAN19900927    CANADA
14:09:00    24    DEBESAY Mekseb    ERI19910616    ERITREA
14:07:30    25    LUTSENKO Alexey    KAZ19920907    KAZAKHSTAN
14:06:00    26    KANGERT Tanel    EST19870311    ESTONIA
14:04:30    27    NAVARRETE Segundo    ECU19850521    ECUADOR
14:03:00    28    SMUKULIS Gatis    LAT19870415    LATVIA
14:01:30    29    LARSSON Gustav    SWE19800920    SWEDEN
14:00:00    30    TZORTZAKIS Polychronis    GRE19890103    GREECE
13:58:30    31    NIYONSHUTI Adrien    RWA19870102    RWANDA
13:57:00    32    TVETCOV Serghei    ROU19881229    ROMANIA
13:55:30    33    MIHAYLOV Nikolay    BUL19880408    BULGARIA
13:54:00    34    RODAS OCHOA Manuel    GUA19840705    GUATEMALA
13:52:30    35    HALMURATOV Muradjan    UZB19820611    UZBEKISTAN
13:51:00    36    TUGULDUR Tuulkhangai    MGL19850617    MONGOLIA
13:49:30    37    MARTINEZ Juan    PUR19870824    PUERTO RICO
13:48:00    38    PLIUSCHIN Alexandr    MDA19870113    REPUBLIC OF MOLDOVA
13:46:30    39    POPSTEFANOV Gorgi    MKD19870719    FYR OF MACEDONIA
13:45:00    40    TAVERAS Norlandis    DOM19891117    DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
13:43:30    41    ELBOURDAINY Ahmed    QAT19900404    QATAR
13:42:00    42    ALBOS CAVALIERE David    AND19840731    ANDORRA
13:40:30    43    ARNDT Nikias    GER19911118    GERMANY
13:39:00    44    KELDERMAN Wilco    NED19910325    NETHERLANDS
13:37:30    45    SIUTSOU Kanstantsin    BLR19820809    BELARUS
13:36:00    46    DURBRIDGE Luke    AUS19910409    AUSTRALIA
13:34:30    47    MOSER Moreno    ITA19901225    ITALY
13:33:00    48    POSTLBERGER Lukas    AUT19920110    AUSTRIA
13:31:30    49    SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon    ESP19831124    SPAIN
13:30:00    50    BIALOBLOCKI Marcin    POL19830902    POLAND
13:28:30    51    DILLIER Silvan    SUI19900803    SWITZERLAND
13:27:00    52    CUMMINGS Stephen    GBR19810319    GREAT BRITAIN
13:25:30    53    VAKOC Petr    CZE19920711    CZECH REPUBLIC
13:24:00    54    BEWLEY Sam    NZL19870722    NEW ZEALAND
13:22:30    55    CRADDOCK Lawson    USA19920220    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
13:21:00    56    LAMPAERT Yves    BEL19910410    BELGIUM
13:19:30    57    QUAADE Rasmus Christian    DEN19900107    DENMARK
13:18:00    58    SICARD Romain    FRA19880101    FRANCE
13:16:30    59    BAGDONAS Gediminas    LTU19851226    LITHUANIA
13:15:00    60    ZAKARIN Ilnur    RUS19890915    RUSSIAN FEDERATION
13:13:30    61    LAENGEN Vegard Stake    NOR19890207    NORWAY
13:12:00    62    ROTH Ryan    CAN19830110    CANADA
13:10:30    63    FOMINYKH Daniil    KAZ19910828    KAZAKHSTAN
13:09:00    64    TAARAMAE Rein    EST19870424    ESTONIA
13:07:30    65    QUISHPE Carlos Eduardo    ECU19910721    ECUADOR
13:06:00    66    SARAMOTINS Aleksejs    LAT19820408    LATVIA
13:04:30    67    LUDVIGSSON Tobias    SWE19910222    SWEDEN
13:03:00    68    SAKELLARIDIS MANGOURAS Neofytos    GRE19890131    GREECE
13:01:30    69    GERMAN MERAN Rafael    DOM19870730    DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
13:00:00    70    HEPBURN Michael    AUS19910817    AUSTRALIA

Cross tailwind from NE dropping throughout the day.

Good luck to all,
SP
By:
marychain1
When: 23 Sep 15 19:21
Think we could see a few surprises here but for a top three I'm going to go:

Dennis
Martin
Phinney
By:
marychain1
When: 23 Sep 15 19:36
Anyone backed King Keung at 150/1?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 23 Sep 15 19:45
Really interested to see how King Kung goes here, but I've only backed the Panzerwagon and laid Dumoulin on account of his injury & likely tiredness post Vuelta.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 23 Sep 15 19:46
I see you've worked on the image since the previous one MC -- got to love it!
By:
marychain1
When: 23 Sep 15 19:47
Yeah found a better Kong image and re-did it Laugh
By:
SwingingPick
When: 23 Sep 15 19:52
Moser getting so close suggests Blockman's time wasn't really that great.
By:
marychain1
When: 23 Sep 15 19:54
Yeah, think we'll see Martin & Dennis beat these times by quite a way unless the weather dramatically changes
By:
SwingingPick
When: 23 Sep 15 19:59
This wind might be a spanner in the works.
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