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Stage 9 (TTT)  »  Vannes  ›  Plumelec   (28k)

It's team time trial time Excited

It's a 28km course from Vannes to Plumulec in Brittany. This is a very unusual TTT. Normally team time trials are very early in grand tours to ensure everyone has a full complement of riders. It is not normal to have a TTT this late. Also, this has followed the most hectic start to a GT that I can remember. To be frank it is astonishing that all four of the main GC teams have 9 riders, given the start we have had. If any team had one or more riders missing they would be at a very big disadvantage.
28km doesnt seem like a long course, but we could see significant time gaps. There are three climbs on the route, including the 3rd at Plumulec which could really see teams suffer. What you want for this course, ideally, is two teams. You need to have 5 climbers. The last climb will be very hard. 1.7km @ 6.2% is a very sttep climb to come at the end of a team time trial. The watch stops on the 5th rider, so your first 4 can only go at the speed of the 5th rider. To give an idea of how steep this final climb is, the last time a road stage finished here it was won by Alejandro Valverde in 2008.

BMC are odds on favourites. They are very strong with several time trial specialists and other rouleurs. The issue for me with their team is that I can only see 4 climbers. They can only go at the speed of whoever will be hanging on (Van Avermaet?). They should podium but they are very short in my eyes. To me this is between Movistar and Sky. Movistar are incredibly strong. They have 3 specialist TTers is Castroviejo, Malori and Dowsett. Dowsett may still be recovering from his crash but this lineup gives them good flat speed. Moreover, they have 5 specialist climbers in Herrada, Valverde, Izaguirre, Quintana and Ancona.

Sky have at least 7 guys that could be there at the finish in theory, which is the most climbing power of any team. They might not have the flat power of BMC or Movistar, so it would not surprise me to see them down at the first checkpoint. I think they will use Rowe, Stannard and Roche or Kennaugh to power them on the flat and then they will use their considerable climbing strength on the final climb at Plumulec to try and claw back time on the teams that might be stronger on the level.

So I think it will be close between Movistar, Sky and BMC with the rest a bit further back. When you have three teams that you think are fairly equally strong it makes sense to go for the one at the bigest price. Personally, I've done Sky at 8/1 and 10/1, although for fairly moderate stakes. I wish I'd gone back in at 14/1 when Padds pushed them out to that price but I'd used both the accounts I have access to to the maximum I could get on. Other teams that look like they could perform fairly well here are Tinkoff and Astana. Astana look to have a very strong team and on paper they really could threaten at least a podium as they seem to combine flat speed and climbing power beautifully. However, there are huge form doubts about virtually their whole squad and on the basis of what we've seen in the last week or so I feel happy to discount them from my calculations. AG2R and Lotto Jumbo might outrun their perennial lightweight status in this particular test due to their decent number of climbers.
So, there are 3 potential winners in my eyes - Sky, Movistar and BMC. And its Sky here for me, and I may also look to do a small saver on Movistar as they are a very decent price in my eyes because BMC are so short in the market.

Match Bets Singles
Ag2r v Lampre 4/7
Lotto Jumbo v IAM Cycling 2/1
Sky v BMC 7/4
Lotto Soudal v Orica 1/2

Acca @ nearly 8/1
Sky v BMC 7/4
Lotto Soudal v Orica 1/2
AG2r v Lampre 1/2
Lotto Jumbo v Trek 2/5

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By:
Happybacker
When: 12 Jul 15 13:15
I'm not a huge fan of team tt's would much rather see individual tt's, the gc is an individual race and  so baffles me why you want to do one stage that  is based on the whole team?? A rider could lose massive chunks of time here and yet be the strongest rider in the race. A short team tt at the start (stage1 ) when everyone has a full team maybe, but this in the middle instead of a proper long  ITT, I just don't get what it proves. Yes it will be good to watch but it is in no way an inndication of who is the best rider and that is what the tour is all about surely.

Anyway rant over, I'm sure I will enjoy watching it, and I think there maybe one or two surprises here. I actually think BMC might not do as well as everyone thinks here, yes they are obviously very good at TTT's but i think they would prefer a much flatter course than this.

I would favour Sky and managed to get a small bet on at 14/1/ and a lot more at 9/2 yesterday, think they have a really solid mix of good TT riders and Good climbers which is what you will need on this course. I'm very confident they will at least podium and think they are the one's to beat. Going out last should also help  them knowing what they have to do.

If pushed I think their main rivals here could well be Movistar and Tinkoff, as they also have that good mix of TT riders and climbers.

Gl all.
By:
NorwichRob
When: 12 Jul 15 13:17
Cheers Marychain for a great insight (as ever) for this stage, going to take a flyer on Sagan's Tinkoff team for a small punt..gl
By:
NorwichRob
When: 12 Jul 15 13:42
Understand your argument Happy but the even the strongest riders are protected most of the way by their teams, bit strange it's stage 9.
By:
bigH
When: 12 Jul 15 14:09
I have laid Astana
By:
SwingingPick
When: 12 Jul 15 14:32
I agree with HB -- don't like BMC for this. Actually, I really can't believe how they're such short-priced favourites. Last time I checked they're WCs on a standard pancake-flat course. This is obviously not what's on offer on here, but it's not that obvious that the Books got it right at the start by offering 25/1 for TCS for an E/W basis 2 places 1/3. The 20s on here was available for a brief time, and they have come right in across the boards and actually there was a real panic at one stage -- MC hadn't formed this thread as yet, but I did notify the forum on the stage 8 thread, so I hope some managed to get on -- think they have a real shot, here, but perhaps the glue has gone now.

Good luck to all,
SP
By:
CJ70
When: 12 Jul 15 14:39
Quite happy to see Michael Matthews finish the TT. Would have been so easy to climb off.
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 14:58
IAM looking good visually and posting decent time here. Looks like all 9 men left too.
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:01
Lotto to beat Orica at 1/2 was free money
By:
SwingingPick
When: 12 Jul 15 15:03
When I said standard pancake-flat, I actually meant distance, since the Ponferrada course was actually similar to this in some ways, if at a much longer distance over 57kms.
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:06
Astana are in pieces already ShockedShockedShocked
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:28
Astana lead by 3 seconds from IAM
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:28
Movistar only 3rd at first check
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:33
This is not going to be good for Katusha or Cofidis
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:39
Movistar have falled to pieces here
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:39
*fallen
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:40
Movistar 18 seconds up on Astana at check 2 but must have lost time there
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:44
Katusha 1min 18 behind Astana
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:48
Brilliant time Movistar 31 seconds up
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 15:50
Quintana above Nibali on GC now
By:
SwingingPick
When: 12 Jul 15 16:05
BMC are going blow up here in the finale, I think. SKY look to be flying. TCS kaput!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 12 Jul 15 16:11
GVA is going to pop!?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 12 Jul 15 16:13
BMC regathered themselves somehow...
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 16:15
wow this is going to be close
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 16:15
Come on Sky bring it home
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 16:17
FFS 0.62 seconds CryCryCry
By:
virtuoso
When: 12 Jul 15 16:18
oh man thats close. bad luck sky backers. roache cleaned you out :(
By:
virtuoso
When: 12 Jul 15 16:18
hope you all traded some out
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 16:19
And now a rest day...I'm going to be sulking about that all day tomorrow Laugh
By:
dom888
When: 12 Jul 15 16:20
moviestar should have won this stage
By:
virtuoso
When: 12 Jul 15 16:20
bad luck it was a good value call
By:
dom888
When: 12 Jul 15 16:22
How low was sky Matched
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 16:23
Sky matched at 1.01 but only for a few quid. Quite a lot matched between 1.5 & 2.0
By:
virtuoso
When: 12 Jul 15 16:24
1.01 for 500£
By:
virtuoso
When: 12 Jul 15 16:24
1.01 for 500£
By:
virtuoso
When: 12 Jul 15 16:24
about 10k at 1.10
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Jul 15 16:25
Oh I was looking at top 3 market, yes you are correct

1.01            £592
1.02    £14       
1.04            £99
1.06            £7
1.07            £71
1.08            £622
1.09    £218        £846
1.10    £2        £4,349
1.11            £2,275
1.12    £70        £433
1.13            £64
1.15            £718
1.19    £214        £144
1.2            £1,929
By:
NorwichRob
When: 12 Jul 15 16:26
Wd winners
By:
CJ70
When: 12 Jul 15 16:28
Last Sky price matced 1.13 last BMC 1.8
By:
crete
When: 12 Jul 15 16:29
oh **** I forgot to check the odds towards the end - why did it match so low? (there was never any air between the two teams at the time checks).
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