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Do you really believe that?
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They are a bunch of late teen early twenties lads. Okay the banter isnt up to the woke agenda but surely they are only joking and love him as one of the team?
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Amazed at the number of days it took for someone to start a thread about this
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Did any of you see the sky documentary with Sid Lawrence, Phil Defreitas, Roland Butcher, Devon Malcolm, Rikki Clarke with Mark Butcher?
Workplace banter? So sad seeing a grown man brought to tears by his reminisces. The way some of those men were treated was truly disgusting and almost unforgivable. |
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It’s quite remarkable the lengths this investigation is going to.
Obviously for balance all clubs, institutions and employers will now provide an Urdu interpreter who’s sole job will be to listen for anything said against white indigenous people….. |
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That’s balance with 1 ‘l’.
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I can't figure our which word it is that everyone keeps printing as P***i
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what is it?
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The club is paying the price for having a Board who’s attitude is stuck in the 1960s. You have to adapt to the times. Society doesn’t accept racism of any form, banter or not. If you cannot understand that you don’t deserve to run a cricket club. No sympathy for YCCC, in fact I’m really enjoying this.
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As a Lancashire fan, it's not that hard a watch. Fair play to Ballance for owning up, can't have been easy, knowing he is about to be public enemy number one
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As a Lancashire fan, it's not that hard a watch. Fair play to Ballance for owning up, can't have been easy, knowing he is about to be public enemy number one
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After all the hysteria has got boring and died off you will still be left with the basic common denominator at the bottom of all this; that some people just don’t like certain other people.
As a middle aged man I can’t speak for what it’s like growing up today, but when I grew up there was plenty of name calling both ways and like people mostly sticking with their own communities. Delusional people think it only goes one way….well why does the state have to spend so much money following and attempting to ‘reform’ such a high % of Islam followers who want to kill people in this country? |
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When i grew up i was called taff and sheep shagger and that joke about the welsh leisure centre. All just banter. We all need to chill out a bit.
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'Delusional people think it only goes one way….well why does the state have to spend so much money following and attempting to ‘reform’ such a high % of Islam followers who want to kill people in this country?'
How high is this percentage you speak of exactly, and what's your source for this percentage figure you're presenting as fact? |
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The percentage to population ratio of those associated with Islam who are signed up for reform programmes or tracked on a spook watchlist is much greater than other forms of terrorism.
Just as the number of inhabitants in prison to population ratio. Cant all be miscarriages. |
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I dont recall where I'd have read it, but I did a quick to find similar search which essentially makes the point.
https://www.gov.uk 3. Charges following terrorism-related arrest by religion (September 2001 to August 2012) Between September 2001 and the end of August 2012, 2,297 people were subject to terrorism-related arrest in Great Britain. Of these, 838 were charged with either a terrorism-related or a non-terrorism-related offence. Table 3.1 shows that 41% of Muslims arrested were charged with an offence, in comparison with 37% of those arrested with other or no religion. These proportions (41% compared to 37%) are not statistically significantly different. A statistical difference was found between the proportion of Muslims charged (41%) and the proportion of those with unknown religion that were charged (32%) following terrorism-related arrest. While...... Key points are: Despite falling numbers, Christianity remained the largest religion in England and Wales, with 59.3% of the population (33.2 million people) identifying as Christian. The second largest religious group were Muslims with 4.8% of the population (2.7 million people).9 Dec 2020 |
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Those numbers aren't really anything to do with what you were talking about, but either way, none of it is relevant to the issue in this case.
If someone has been left miserable and suicidal by what has happened in a workplace then serious failings have probably occurred... The fact I may not be affected by anything someone can say to me doesn't therefore mean it should be open season on everyone else in every circumstance. The insults and grief I may encounter will be different to everyone else within the entire spectrum of humanity, I don't have the experience of their life or situation. Anyone who thinks that way of thinking and lack of offence at personal abuse is how everyone should be, is probably a narcissist, bound by their own egocentrism, 'it doesn't bother me if someone calls me x, therefore no-one else should be bothered when they are called y...' It's the refuge of morons. As for the 'banter' clause constantly wheeled out these days, people with social skills know where the line is in social situations, and they know the line for them isn't necessarily in the same place for someone else. |
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Ofc they are relevant.
My overall point is that people of differing socio/ethnic/cultural backgrounds still harbour their own opinions of other people irrespective of whatever notion thought up by passing governments to try and make people agreeable. And that that opinion goes both ways. I dont buy the argument it was banter personally, for theres truth in jest. |
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But to add I also do not recognise the idea that everything is now open season on one segment of society when racism cuts both ways. There is no end to this and no scalp nor sacrifice too great in the pursuit of perceived 'justice'.
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How are they relevant in justifying workplace bullying or however this situation can be interpreted? In terms of professional cricketers you are talking about people who are paid to represent an organisation, and of all the professional situations where a group of people ideally needs to get on and be agreeable, professional team sports is probably high up the list.
I agree that some people are bound by, more like crippled, by those 'opinions', but the vast majority of people get on with each other. For most of us it isn't government interventions that enable people to get on ffs. Good people in an assigned group will have more in common with good people in another group, than with bad people in their own group, however you divide it up. There very much seems to be an agenda all over the Betfair forum trying to propagate the converse view. |
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I have no doubt that the majority can live life without showing hatred, but to what extent they just put up with people is hard to know.
There were psychoanalysists that argued racism is inherent from past tribalism and you see it in every city that now has a ghetto made up of communities of majority single raced people and local economies tending to their own people only. Every team or workforce is a group of humans first, where resposibility is transposed from government directives. |
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Just a case of interest, I recall Personal Social Education lessons at school that were taken by left leaning eco warrior type teachers. They used to drill it into us that every single person is racist to some extend.
Well they cant have it both ways we either are or we arn't and not one of us chose to be racsist, we are the product of whatever the household you grew up in was, mainly parental opinion I believe. |
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It's not about not showing hatred, most people don't have the hatred until a specific individual's behaviour justifies it! If people are walking round hating people outside their perceived group or tribe as a default setting that is pathetic.
As for cities, many of those communities developed out of being the cheapest areas to live when first generation immigrants arrive, and the communities developed from there, speciality supermarkets etc. Raw economics was the driver. Plenty of people born into those communities leave them too. How many people would choose to stay there if personal financial circumstances were better, or if they felt the wider city was deemed to be tolerant would be interesting. I'm sure plenty would stay, as would plenty of people from all walks of life in whatever area they are now, even if those areas aren't considered that great by others, how much is tribalism, convenience, fear of change etc who knows... |
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Brexit was fundamentally a working class movement resisting centralised government in the guise of the establishment for the most part. I say establishment because the ruling hand is majority Etonian, themselves who reside nowhere near ghettos.
People just saw an ever increasing gesture politics where minorities are given any and all protection, just as I see this case now. Business after business jumping on the bandwagon not wanting to damage sales under this progressive movement where every story is made out to sound like the plight of the Israelites. Add it to the gender issue and the future looks remarkably 1984. |
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'People just saw an ever increasing gesture politics where minorities are given any and all protection, just as I see this case now.'
So are you saying, the cricketer has made it up, or what has been alleged doesn't constitute an issue of concern? |
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I’m saying we have entered into an age where the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
It’s amazing how many are mentally ill nowadays, or found to be born in the wrong gender….it’s almost as though there’s something in the water all of a sudden. I saw a piece the other week where an MP pointed out the statistics of obesity (think it’s 30% of adults from 15% inthe 1990s) and suggested that it needs highlighting. The government were asked for a response and the statement essentially said we can’t bring it up because people might be too fragile mentally. I’d have loved my steel worker grandfather to have been around today he would have been in disarray. |
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No ICS
I think he is saying look at me look at me! Try asking him a question about cricket. |
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I know about cricket
I just don’t watch the county game Cos it’s 5hit |
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If there are issues affecting people in society there's nothing wrong with highlighting or addressing them. If you don't want to see or hear about them it's not usually more complicated than hitting the remote or switching the radio off. Mental health has been neglected as a serious issue for a long time, bizarre that it being in public focus and taken seriously is such a source of rancour.
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What do they know of cricket who only cricket know
You know nothing dusty so why don’t you just get it off your chest. Spout your poisonous bile and stop the pretence. |
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What are you on about now you sock puppet fooker
I watch pretty much all England international cricket...ODI, Test Match and T20. The other boring 5hite I leave to the likes of you. |
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Golly gosh
I’m being savaged |
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Sponsors pulling out and finally the ECB have intervened and stopped International Cricket being played at Headingley.
Delusional people think it only goes one way….well why does the state have to spend so much money following and attempting to ‘reform’ such a high % of Islam followers who want to kill people in this country? As this is a cricket thread maybe dustybin can explain how the religion got into the discussion and maybe how these Islamic Terrorist cricketers are going to kill us all....maybe bowling up googlies? But hey if it gets in the way of your flow of bigotry you just shout about anything you want...obviously everything except cricket and what is happening in our game. |
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Right for a kick off you have taken the comment out of context.
I was making a point that society is made up of a collective of people each of whom fall into their own communities, and some if not many of each dislike some of the others, irrespective of what implements the state uses to attempt to pretend they dont. And that for any derogative term one way at the very least it goes back the other, as the contempt is felt by all sides. I obviously pointed out further that calling names is far surpassed by the community that this Raffiq is part of by showing the statistics of how those (not necessarily him) dislike the indiginous of this country so much they far out number any other terrorist segment by ratio. (showing intent on a level that far out does name calling) The vast majority of Pakistanis are muslim, and the state doesnt collect terrorist figures on which country a person's parents came from, but they do on religion. So theres your answer. Ive just seen now no Tests at Headingley. Did Yorkshire CCC not employ an independent law firm to assess Raffiq's allegations...that were apparently so bad like a trooper he worked there over a ten year period? And did that independent law firm not conclude that out of 43 allegations, just 7 were upheld? Now I know theres a lot of band wagon jumping here and more than a little fawning and bread dipping at Yorkshire's expense...but does that not mean Raffiq was found more wrong than right? By a factor of 7 no less. Still, until the whole of the county of Yorkshire are sacrificed and made to wear hair shirts for what nodoubt happened in every school club and workplace over the last 50 years then the thumbscrews will keep on. |
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This case isnt about cricket is it?
Its about allegations of racism |
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Id love to know what all the harrumphing is about.
Surely somebody found by an independent inquiry to claimed they felt sufficiently bad that they wished to die only to be found wrong 36 times to 7 they agreed with has made a mountain out of a mole hill regarding the severity of how bad it was? No? |
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Has anyone actually read what has been reported?
Azeem Rafiq: Yorkshire's former spinner on 'dreading every second' of playing for the county Shows a picture of him celebrating taking a wicket,(that must have been quite a choice, play for Yorkshire or be dead, literally no other options) then goes on to explain how he felt left out on nights out with teammates So he played there for 10 years dreading every second and socialised in his free time? Hmmm? |
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Michael Vaughan implicated now. This just gets better. Hopefully he’ll lose his job being one of the worst pundits of the modern era.
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Yorkshire have threatened a lifetime ban for anyone found to have made threats against Azeem Rafiq or his family and legal team.
The more I read on this case the more incredulous I become. The liberal lettuce wrists flopping over each other to make a martyrr |