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By:
Angoose
When: 25 Aug 20 17:46
Jimmy fancies a go now
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tomtimtum
When: 25 Aug 20 17:56
Will they shake hands after this over
By:
tomtimtum
When: 25 Aug 20 17:58
Jesus, shows how muddy it is out there
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Aug 20 18:00
Can shake hands anytime they want to now
By:
tomtimtum
When: 25 Aug 20 18:05
wtf
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Aug 20 18:05
C'est fini.
By:
detraveller
When: 25 Aug 20 18:06
Over?
By:
differentdrum
When: 25 Aug 20 18:07
Since he returned what has Archer contributed?

He isn't any good with the bat so if he isn't taking wickets what's he there for?

Is Sir Geoffrey the only one to ask the question?

This should be a talking point just as much as Butler's keeping (at least there is another reason for him to play), the opening partnership, lack of a decent spinner....
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ian merseyside
When: 25 Aug 20 18:30
Pleased to see them all shaking hands at the end.  Michael Holding pointed it out but didn't express an opinion, I'm guessing he was in favour though.  No doubt the BBC will be up in arms about it as usual!
By:
wondersobright
When: 25 Aug 20 19:06
ian merseyside • August 25, 2020 6:30 PM BST
Pleased to see them all shaking hands at the end


excellent
By:
ian merseyside
When: 25 Aug 20 19:08
The hand shaking looked preempted to me, as if the players were trying to make a public statement.
By:
wondersobright
When: 25 Aug 20 19:19
good for them, about time somebody did
By:
peckerdunne
When: 25 Aug 20 20:34
Well done Joe, you shook hands 2 days ago,,,,,,,,,,,,
By:
qwerty135
When: 25 Aug 20 21:07
Personally, I think they should have bumped elbows, but there's a big difference between
a) people shaking hands if they've been living in a bubble for weeks and being tested every day, and
b) most people shaking hands.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Aug 20 22:15
And washing your hands immediately afterwards Happy
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 26 Aug 20 20:12
Since he returned what has Archer contributed?

He isn't any good with the bat so if he isn't taking wickets what's he there for?

Is Sir Geoffrey the only one to ask the question?

This should be a talking point
just as much as Butler's keeping (at least there is another reason for him to play), the opening partnership, lack of a decent spinner....


I think you are right but I would defend his inclusion. He offers something different and he doesn't get the new ball, doesn't get to bowl at bunnies, bowls into the wind and is always brought on when the pitch dies.

He is a must for Australia along with Wood. People forget how tame the England attack can be when the ball goes soft. We have had extraordinary weather conditions with the ball swinging and seaming at times up to 75 overs. Plenty of early wickets too. If we face a strong opening partnership we might be in trouble but yes Archer's contribution needs to be assessed.

Butler should not be wicket keeper. Simple as that. Let him fight for a batting spot. I would rather have Johnny Bstard at 6. Don't get me wrong I do like him and want him to do well for England and am a big fan of his talent but Test Cricket is different. Maybe he is starting to understand it now but Foakes imho is the best keeper and should have the gloves. He can bat too and might even make more runs than Butler.

Burns to me looks vulnerable and a potential liability in Aus if he does not address moving his front leg too far. I think he is in credit for me and deserves support. He certainly has the right mentality for Test cricket. My own feeling is Crawley moves up to open. I would like to wait to move Pope to 3 but maybe get him in now.

Bess is not good enough yet. The hero of Headingly should have been given a chance this summer. My preference if for both Moen and Rashid if they can demonstrate form and desire. 3 seamers and Stokes. How do Anderson and Broad go overseas? I am not sure I would play both. I would play Archer or Wood.
By:
mafeking
When: 27 Aug 20 13:09
for the tests in asia in the winter I think the way to go is drop burns everyone else moves up a spot with buttler at 6 and foakes keeping. then 2 spinners with leach as your number 1 and your 2 other seamers. madness that bess has been preferred to leach this summer. hardly surprising he's not up to it given his age. just doesn't have the necessary control at this stage of his career. spinners tend to develop later and somerset wouldn't dream of picking bess in front of leach
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