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By:
Injera
When: 27 Jul 19 15:25
The MotM gets dropped. As you say the Captain's stubborness means the hopelessly out of form Moeen gets to play. Have the lunatics taken over the asylum?

Down Under Lyon outbowled Mo and I expect him to repeat that.

If Root batted 3, Foakes could keep at 7 and Leach could play instead of Mo.

Leach's courage and skill to score 92 on what Root shamefully called a sub standard pitch should have been enough. Never mind he is easily a better bowler.

As for Root's dealing with Karl McDermott... This is his first season as the Lord's Head Groundsman. He did nothing wrong with that pitch. If Root and his cavaliers want to play out in front against the moving ball, then they're thicker than even I thought.
By:
mafeking
When: 27 Jul 19 18:32
never mind the top 3 several of the others very lucky to be playing. bairstow is only really playing as a specialist keeper these days. his recent record with the bat is so poor he can't be considered a top order batsman and just sheer blind faith keeping moeen in the side. his batting has completely disintegrated too

even so likely to be a series of a comedy of batting errors. probably be a couple of 3 day games and certainly none getting anywhere near day 5. the duke ball which the australians play hopelessly and sporting surfaces should see to that
By:
isleham
When: 27 Jul 19 19:01
supposedly hameed as a very pushy and prominent family who have totally done him no favours
By:
jucel69
When: 28 Jul 19 04:56

Jul 27, 2019 -- 7:01PM, isleham wrote:


supposedly hameed as a very pushy and prominent family who have totally done him no favours


That's interesting to know.
Do you mean they are pushing him too hard and he's scared of failure?

By:
jucel69
When: 28 Jul 19 06:55

Jul 27, 2019 -- 2:22PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


The balance of the side looks wrong with Denly at 3. I saw him bat on Thursday and he looked like he had a good technique and with time could be good at this level but we have such a strong 4,5,6,7,8Root will not bat at 3 and that is the problem.As a result we will not likely play the SLA Leach which is a real shame for Moen Ali who I think would benefit from having him in the side.I had a look at Roy on Thursday and he will be a walking wicket. I want to see him do well but at times he plays with his hands so far in front of his body. We discussed him batting lower down the order but we are so strong there.I can't tell you how disappointing Hameed has been. If we are going top be 30-3 or worse I really would play Hameed. Some people perform better against better players. I know it doesn't make any sense but it doesn't make any sense being 30-3 every match and not doing anything about it!Burns does not fill me with confidence either.If they trust Archers fitness it looks like it will be between Woakes and Broad to partner Anderson with the new ball. One will miss out along with Curran and Stone.The bottom line is we do not have the answers to 1,2 and 3. We have a good middle order faults excepted, good seamers who will take wickets when it is not flat and not sunny.Anything could happen. But High sell Low. Expect twists and turns.Aussie made a huge mistake in leaving out Carey. Talk is of Starc being left out at Egbaston and trying to fit in Pattinson and Siddle.


Gower, Tres and Vaughan didn't have great FC records when they were brought in the England team.
To be perfectly honest he'd do well to do worse than most we have tried in the last 5 years!

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 28 Jul 19 23:06
Australia are good for 2 stinkers over here at least

Who can forget their 60 all out Laugh

I wouldn't be surprised if they challenge that this time as well, they always throw in a vile batting display every Ashes series over here and that always means we get a bye at least once
By:
tomtimtum
When: 29 Jul 19 13:38
Bayliss trying to move Root up to 3

Burns
Denly
Root
Roy

Has a much better look to it
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 29 Jul 19 14:31
It might look better to you boy!

but it still looks like

30-3 to meLaugh!
By:
Injera
When: 29 Jul 19 17:45
Oh for those dreamy days of the draw price being sub 3s Crazy

If Joe #thebrand Root need any convincing as to the frailties of his champagne charlies, 7.6 ought to do it!
By:
mafeking
When: 29 Jul 19 18:29
something like 1 draw in the last 5 english summers
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 29 Jul 19 22:32
We'll see a lot of 30-5s in my opinion

The batting from both sides will mean the bowlers will get lots of cheap wickets

Bairstow will be bowled the most?
By:
johnnyrant
When: 30 Jul 19 10:25
Vince and Malan starting in 1st Ashes test would be much stronger options than Denly and Burns playing. Be crazy to play Burns in particular. Roy would be better off playing down the order because he will be found out opening, but I'd rather Roy open than either of Denly or Burns.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jul 19 12:53
funny you should say that. Saw some footage of Malan and Vince on sky recently in Aus and they looked half decent!

Root is going to bat 3 so that will give the bowling line up more flexibility. Thing is they don't need 6 seamer's! they need 3 plus Stokes plus 2 spinners taking it either side of the wicket. Mind you Will the game last long enough for a spinner to be involved?
By:
jucel69
When: 30 Jul 19 13:03
the draw looks super short based on our our opinions!!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 30 Jul 19 13:43
Good grief. Our problem is the top 3 so what do they do?

Move one of the top 3 to no. 4!

30-3 0r 40-4 what's the point!

Probably go into the this with 4 right arm fast medium bowlers! No wuick and no left armer!

One step forward two back!

Plenty of rain around but that is more likely to hasten the demise because of cloud cover!
By:
mafeking
When: 30 Jul 19 15:06
surely it's better to break up the inexperienced top 3 and let joe root dictate the game rather than always coming in at 30/2

more concerned about bairstow and moeen both who have no red ball form for a long time now. england can only win if 150/5 becomes 280 or 300 which has been the case in recent home series. 5 down all out and we'll be losing
By:
Injera
When: 30 Jul 19 16:07
Looks like Root and Denly just swap places. It's progress of sorts.

Taken him forever to do it though.

Aggers did a good piece on the winner being the team that can scramble a few runs when needed the most. As mafe says that's often been England's strength with lower order players.

Curran turned a 140 lead into 180 last week and made sure Ireland couldn't bat in the sun.

He won't play on thursday will he? Woakes for Archer if Archer's not 100%.
By:
FatherMaguire
When: 30 Jul 19 22:40
I'm in a minority here, but I'd have been happy for Root to stay at number 4. He isn't an opener, but if he plays at 3 he is effectively being asked to open cos one of our openers is almost bound to get out early - playing him at 4 protects our best player from the new ball. What we have got is a lot of players who can play 4-7, so chucking Denly in at 4 makes almost no sense to me - his record doesn't demand inclusion, and if he does play he needs to play ahead of Root in the order. Foakes is unlucky not to be in the team for me, everyone else seems to have had a go at number 3, he deserved a chance at the spot to cement his place on batting alone
By:
detraveller
When: 30 Jul 19 23:10
Seeing that England have done OK without the top 3 contributing, why don't they get their ODI players to take the top 3 positions and 'rebrand' test cricket like they rebranded their ODI cricket in 2015? If it comes off, teams will be scared shet if the top 3 fire with Root Butler and Stokes still to come. If they don't fire, then its business as usual, which has been pretty decent for England.
By:
jucel69
When: 31 Jul 19 02:21

Jul 30, 2019 -- 10:40PM, FatherMaguire wrote:


I'm in a minority here, but I'd have been happy for Root to stay at number 4. He isn't an opener, but if he plays at 3 he is effectively being asked to open cos one of our openers is almost bound to get out early - playing him at 4 protects our best player from the new ball. What we have got is a lot of players who can play 4-7, so chucking Denly in at 4 makes almost no sense to me - his record doesn't demand inclusion, and if he does play he needs to play ahead of Root in the order. Foakes is unlucky not to be in the team for me, everyone else seems to have had a go at number 3, he deserved a chance at the spot to cement his place on batting alone


tbh batting at 4 has holds the same argument.
I think it sends a signal to the oppo too

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 Jul 19 05:39
I agree with you father oh and bless me for I have sinned!

Root should be protected at 4 but England with all their all rounders ought to play two spinners, left and right. The only way we can do that imho is for Root to play at 3!

It makes no sense for Root to play at 3 and protect Denly! WTF! Put me in at 4 FFS! Pretty sure I might score more than one of the openers! oh and I am not joking! This boi can play!

Likely no place for left arm something special Curran or man of the match Leach who could give Moen confidence and has some bottle although I don't think he will bat well against Aussie fast bowlers!

I would rather play Curran at 3 and tell him to score runs or he is out!

As for Foakes! WTF! Class batsman, the best wicket keeper and maybe even a better batsman than Johnny Bstard! Probably a better Test batsman than Butler too.

I would have Bstard over Denly. I like Denly. He is a good bat but we have plenty of batsmen between 4 and 8. If he can't bat 3 then sorry we don't need him and again if we are going to be 30-3 or 40-4 FFS play Hameed!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 11:24
Lanka 2 down but the more expendable Karunaratne is gone.   No Worries (honest)
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 11:25
Kusal joining Kusal
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 11:29
F*ck me Lanka 3 down WHEELS OFF!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 11:33
Losing 2 set batsman quickly has altered the whole bloody game.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 11:40
I',m ion the wrong thread BlushBlushBlushBlushBlushBlushBlushBlushBlush

Now that I'm here my thoughts on the Ashes is Aus are going to surprise many, Bancroft is PROVEN in  english conditions Smithy has taken dedication to unheard of levels and he is about to shine in his strongest format.  Aus have the edge in batting
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 11:52
From these 2 pics you can see which wicket will be used

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAohu9AXoAEIWZ_?format=jpg&name=large


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAywr3kXUAA6-pC?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
By:
wondersobright
When: 31 Jul 19 12:51
starc dropped? Whoops
By:
detraveller
When: 31 Jul 19 13:01
must be unfit.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 Jul 19 13:10
NO!

Not unfit. Read the fred!

Bumble I think stated over a week ago that it was likely Aussie would play Siddle instead of Starc feeling he may be more effective at Egbaston or at least provide some tight trundle to keep things tight while unleashing Cummins and maybe Pattinson. Not sure Hazlewood is ready!

I don't 100% disagree with you Cardinal. Aussie have some decent batsmen but should have batted Carey as well as Wade and Paine imho.

Not sure who their 5th bowler is and it might be a weak point for them. Both teams will be brittle against a moving ball but England will have the edge down the order although the Aussie tail can bat on a flat one.
By:
mafeking
When: 31 Jul 19 14:08
australia minus smith and warner were basically absolutely schooled on home soil by india last winter. not much evidence there they've got any other batsmen other than those 2 up to dealing with england's battery of seam bowlers

england do throw in the odd absolute schocker but they still win far more than they lose against decent opposition at home. won 10 and lost 4 in last 3 major home series against oz, saffers and india
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 16:26
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAzMk75XUAMsIoH?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 16:27
What a scruffy looking wicket.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 17:49
Starc omission had Eng shorten but now they have retraced back over evens.
By:
Injera
When: 31 Jul 19 18:14
Is Starc's absence confirmed? Thought Paine was naming his team at the toss.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 31 Jul 19 18:28

Jul 31, 2019 -- 6:14PM, Injera wrote:


Is Starc's absence confirmed? Thought Paine was naming his team at the toss.


Don't think so but when I see tweet like this I assume its been deliberately leaked.

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/1156492244725055488

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 31 Jul 19 18:58
Starc has to play over Pattinson ffs

Siddle, Cummins and Starc is a lethal 3. Siddle to keep it tight, Cummins and Starc to come on in bursts

Australia would be stupid to drop Starc for Siddle if he is indeed fit
By:
Injera
When: 31 Jul 19 19:52
Agreed. Oz must go hard at England first up. Decimate the top 3 and set the tone for the series.

Can't see Burns lasting long against Mitch. 2 mid wickets, deep square. Dry him and he'll fold.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 31 Jul 19 22:07
I think they are expecting shock and awe from Pattinson tbh.

I think England are a good lay before the toss on the first day of the series at around evens
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 01 Aug 19 09:16
Some rain sunday and mondays forecast which wasn't there when I went to bed and still draw has drifted.
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