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15 Jul 19
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Will they be riding a wave? Will Australia cop a right hiding because of it?
Or will they be feeling a flat?
I think England win it 3-1
Or will they be feeling a flat?
I think England win it 3-1
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Glenn McGrath reckons it will be 0-5
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Interesting to see what sort of pitches we are going to get and if they differ with World Cup pitches.
England have the better balanced side but Aussie have a good bowling attack that could even the contest when the stars are in alignment. Aussie also have a couple of decent batsmen but their wicket keepers are better batters than their middle order. Carey, Wade and Paine imho would make a decent 5,6 and 7. Add Cummins, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood and that is a decent tail. You got Warner plus 1, Smudge, Finch or Khawaja and that is I think a decent side that should give England a good game. England are now World Champions and should replace Plunkett with Anderson and Wood with Moen. Roy should open, Add an opener. Root needs to bat 3 for the team. Stokes, Bstard, Butler, Moen, Woakes, Archer, Rasid and Anderson. I would say that is two relatively evenly matched sides. Advantage to the home side for being at home and having a longer batting line up that is dangerous. Also more bowlers to spread the load with 4 allrounders to Aussies none! Over 5 Test's that is a lot of overs for 4 bowlers and may be the decisive factor particularly if England can attack Lyon and knock him out of the attack. If the pitches are dry this summer then England will have a big advantage. |
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Good stuff WD!
Not sure about dry pitches helping England. Starc and Cummins getting reverse swing and Lyon outbowling the enigmatic Mo very likely. I'd go for Leach. All the talk of Roy playing is a bit of a concern. He'll get nicked more than Arfur Daley. Such hard hands. Anyway, the cupboard is quite bare in the opening stakes. My team: (I haven't given it much more thought) Burns (for now.. hate his technique and Starc should get him) Denly Root Jonny Stokes Buttler Foakes Woakes Archer Anderson Leach Sorry Stuart... |
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Gary Ballance 2nd top run scoring in div 1 this year...
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Burns
Roy Root Stokes Bairstow Buttler Foakes (wk) Moeen Woakes Archer Anderson I've copied Bob Willis' team here I'm afraid! Only difference is I would put Stokes in at 4. He's improved massively as a batsman and his technique is very good. He can cope with the pressure, it's time for him to become Englands Jacques Kallis! |
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can't think of any real reason why australia will fare any better here than they have on recent tours. roy and archer should strengthen england. roy can hardly do any worse than some of the jokers who've batted in the top 3 in the last 2 or 3 years and australia struggle desperately when the ball moves off the straight. still only smith and warner i'd have much confidence in
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It seems we all want Root to bat 3. Let's see if the penny will drop at last. Otherwise the balance of the team is compromised.
Would be helpful if he could see that... |
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yep everyone wants to bat in the soft positions from 4 to 7. bairstow as our 2nd best bat certainly shouldn't be keeping but he won't like having the gloves taken off him. someone should take charge and tell root and bairstow it's better for the team
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Not sure about dry pitches helping England. Starc and Cummins getting reverse swing
Yes but will they have sandpaper  !We have got bowlers now with the pace to reverse it too plus Anderson the Master. I forgot about Foakes, how could you leave him out? He is probably a better bat than anyone they would throw in at 3. There is no point putting a din in at No.3 and leaving out the second spinner. 4 seamers and two spinners is a good balance. They have only got 4 bowlers. Broad really has to make a case or wait for injury / rotation. He does not walk into this team. I would like two spinners so a sla ( Leach ) instead of Rashid I am fine with. Rashid does appear to still be struggling with a shoulder injury, |
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I don't think we need 5 seamers! The bowlers are doing OK and have strengthened with Archer. We need 3 batsmen at the top!
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I've gone for 4 quicks and Leach.
Could easily play 4 and 2 if Mo plays instead of Foakes. Root should be bowling more though. I like Foakes. He brings a touch of sanity to a team of dreamers! |
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Have to agree on Foakes.
The problem lies in the first 3. Plenty of bowling options. The reason for 6 bowlers is to keep them fresh keen and eager to do their bit. there are 5 test's in quick succession. The work rate on Aussie bowlers hill be harsh particularly if we can hatch an execute a plan to go after Lyon...fearless cricket in the right circumstances probably in the first innings. |
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The test is in Birmingham not Colombo!!!
However did we cope when we only had 4 bowlers  |
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Egbaston...spinners paradise
We should get a kwality Test Match pitch at least once this summer. That will hurt any current bowler. Stokes plays, simple as that. He is the 4th seamer. Anderson plays. Archer starts the first Test, One other seamer must play and hopefully at least one spinner but we have so many allrounders we might as well have two to spin it both sides of the wicket. Again the problem is not in the bowling options it is a 30-3 batting scoreline! It does not take a rocket scientist. Root will just have to bat at 3! Burns is the incumbent. Personally I want to see Roy pick up the cudgels. |
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Make sure you guys try out any new combinations against Ireland and have decided on the final eleven by 1st August. Good luck. I love how you guys become selectors before every series(and during it)
Please keep Moeen in the team though he's my favorite. Thanks. |
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Broad gets in for me based on his Ashes record
Although him and Anderson are going to need replacing soon and that's never good, having to replace two greats at the same time takes time, just look at Australia when they lost McGrath and Warne, took them years almost and despite purple patches with Johnson etc they've never really replaced them in my opinion Its not ODIs its more the test side that might suffer over the next few years because Woakes and Archer despite being good ODI options aren't going to replace economically sound test bowlers like Anderson and Broad |
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We need a specialist opener,Roy isn't the answer for me.Think he'd do fine in the middle order but we don't need one of those.
Big innings coming up for Sibley in the ongoing Lions match v Aus 'A'.He scored 70 odd in the 1st innings and he's the top runscorer in Division 1. |
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We need two specialist openers and a no 3.
It would appear we do not have any! How many times have we been 30-3 in the last few years? Roy must be given a go imho but more crucially Root needs to step up for the team. He is better equipped to bat 3 than any other member of the team. |
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Broad vs Woakes in Test matches in England
Broad - 275 Wickets at 27.09 Woakes - 54 Wickets at 23.33 Broad - 2055 runs at 23.35 Woakes - 607 runs at 46.69 Just for some added comparison Stokes - 1249 runs at 32.03 - 58 wickets at 33.47 Ali - 1688 runs at 37.91 - 94 wickets at 31.88 Woakes overseas record is pretty awful but in England he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet! |
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Nobodys even mentioned Sam Curran
292 runs at 36.50 13 wickets at 23.23 Another all rounder perfectly suited to English conditions |
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I think Curran will play ahead of Foakes.
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For the Roy-bashers, a reminder that he is maturing. Midpoint in his ODI career (in terms of number of innings) is May 2017. He scored 3 tons prior to that date plus a couple in the 80s. Since that date he has scored 6 tons and 5 in the 80s+.
Tests is test so of course he has something to prove, I just think he is a default selection right now. |
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Not sure anyone hates Roy. We had high hopes of Hales complimenting Cook but he couldn't stay in. Wide stance, hard hands, despite a decent 1st class record.
Roy will have to adapt a lot more than Hales to succeed. Tbf to the selectors, they've tried most others... |
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sibley the player who can feel genuinely hard done by. bucketload of runs in division 1 in a season of generally low scoring matches
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Roy, Stoneman, Root, Bairstow, Buttler, Stokes, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson, Archer
Best to just go in and try to bully them with this side 5 quicks and 2 spinners (Root being the other) Survive Broad and Anderson? donna worry we've got Woakes, Archer and Stokes all loosening up  I highly doubt this will be starting 11 though |
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Draw is going to be starting at 15-20s with these two train wrecks.
Almost feels as though there is a conspiracy by the ICC and all the teams to bat as poorly as possible over a period of time to ram four day tests down our throats. Very occasionally a pitch flattens out and there is a soupcon of application. It's frustrating to watch the defensive side (batting) of the game being whittled away and the game in all forms becoming completely one dimensional. Power and brute force over skill and concentration. |
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Jucel
I have to agree, the application shown in this test Vs Ireland shows has been diabolical IRELAND have been made to look like the West Indian greats of the past ffs |
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They choose to bat like this. It comes from Root. Don't think Bayliss has any say in it.
Root wants them to counter attack all the time. It's ignorant to refuse willing to adapt. In Sri Lanka, 1st Test, we were 100-5 at lunch. Foakes (not selected in the original squad) played a sensible innings, got a ton and we never looked back. Root defended being 100-5 (because 'that's the way we play') and said of Foakes: 'there's still a place for that style of innings'. It was faint praise and in a way disdainful of what the debutant had achieved. Fast forward to now: JB gives it the bigun and gets bowled on 0, second innings Roy does the same when set, Root runs at Adair and nicks off and Foakes is nowhere to be seen. |
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*to refuse to adapt
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Eng will keep getting away with this attitude against most teams. They've shown in the last 2-3 years, and recently at the world cup, what style of cricket they want to play(and refuse to adjust no matter what). If it doesn't work in one game, they'll try it again in the next. Until it works. Because when it does work, it looks spectacular and people tend to remember that and forget what happened before.
I think we will see some pretty fast paced games against Aus. |
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won't be a game that gets to day 5 without huge amounts of rain. probably a couple of games will be done in 3 days. almost a 2 day game at edgbaston 4 years ago
bairstow's recent record is diabolical. bowled on numerous occasions playing a big shot. any top order batsman should be embarrassed to get bowled ever |
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I don't remember ever getting bowled in my life.
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Cummins and Hazelwood will rip England to pieces and if Starc fires too it could be a complete embarrassment.
Don't forget Nosferatu, bound to turn in August. Root's form is a major concern, he looks completely out of touch. Bairstow's modes of dismissal are a worry too. Gaping holes in his defence. We are going to have to rely on Stokes and Buttler to glue the inns together and hope the lower order can chip in sufficiently. It's going to be painful viewing that's for sure! |
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The complete capitulation of Hameed is still a mystery to me.
I would have put good money on him getting 5,000 + test match runs after watching him against India. He looked calm and full of intelligence. The 59 not out in his last test innings shepherding the tail was outstanding for a teenager. Then he got injured and Jennings came in. He scored a century on debut and I thought we had got a future RH/LH opening p'ship for 10+ years. How wrong I was Paul Allott said Hameed's deteriorating performances were "a complete and utter mystery" and termed him "a dilemma", a batsman who got more opportunities than his form warranted, but who left Allott still insisting: "I've not seen a more talented young opening batsman in my 40-odd years in the game." The weight of expectation - excessive expectation perhaps - was resting heavily . Really sad for English cricket. His scores this year are 21,9,11,0,55,24,,0,9,22*,30,7,29,4 |
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http://cricviz.com/2019/07/cricviz-analysis-jonny-bairstow/
great piece on YJB here |
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It will be 3-2 either way
We are just to cavalier, one extreme to the other in test cricket We were ridiculously attritional under Strauss but we got to number 1 with it, now we are to attacking and we will probably drop down the rankings |
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The balance of the side looks wrong with Denly at 3. I saw him bat on Thursday and he looked like he had a good technique and with time could be good at this level but we have such a strong 4,5,6,7,8
Root will not bat at 3 and that is the problem. As a result we will not likely play the SLA Leach which is a real shame for Moen Ali who I think would benefit from having him in the side. I had a look at Roy on Thursday and he will be a walking wicket. I want to see him do well but at times he plays with his hands so far in front of his body. We discussed him batting lower down the order but we are so strong there. I can't tell you how disappointing Hameed has been. If we are going top be 30-3 or worse I really would play Hameed. Some people perform better against better players. I know it doesn't make any sense but it doesn't make any sense being 30-3 every match and not doing anything about it! Burns does not fill me with confidence either. If they trust Archers fitness it looks like it will be between Woakes and Broad to partner Anderson with the new ball. One will miss out along with Curran and Stone. The bottom line is we do not have the answers to 1,2 and 3. We have a good middle order faults excepted, good seamers who will take wickets when it is not flat and not sunny. Anything could happen. But High sell Low. Expect twists and turns. Aussie made a huge mistake in leaving out Carey. Talk is of Starc being left out at Egbaston and trying to fit in Pattinson and Siddle. |