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By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 04:45

Feb 2, 2019 -- 3:29AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


Draw could be sub 4s in an hour ....also could be 25s BRACE YOURSELF!


Uncanny accuracy!

By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 04:46
Grin I expect you have done well too VV
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 04:48
Starting to feel real tired now, 26 more overs is a lot
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 04:56
Sadly I need a couple of wickets. Having held on since yesterday I got spooked out of my draw before Aus declared and forgot to cancel my drip lays, so I'm a little draw red now but at least I cleared my Aus red.

If I hadn't been trading with "scared money" I'd have let the position ride and be doing quite well. Lack of sleep really messes with your judgement though. I had to be away overnight with waiting bets so I got home at 7am to a massive SL and big draw position, but rather a large Aus red. After waking uo just in time to trade WI vs Eng and trade that several times into a frustratingly close to decently profitable position that kept slipping away again, I wasn't comfortable relying on SL not to collapse in a heap from ball #1 in this match.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:01

Feb 2, 2019 -- 4:56AM, VardonVoo. wrote:


Sadly I need a couple of wickets. Having held on since yesterday I got spooked out of my draw before Aus declared and forgot to cancel my drip lays, so I'm a little draw red now but at least I cleared my Aus red.If I hadn't been trading with "scared money" I'd have let the position ride and be doing quite well. Lack of sleep really messes with your judgement though. I had to be away overnight with waiting bets so I got home at 7am to a massive SL and big draw position, but rather a large Aus red. After waking uo just in time to trade WI vs Eng and trade that several times into a frustratingly close to decently profitable position that kept slipping away again, I wasn't comfortable relying on SL not to collapse in a heap from ball #1 in this match.


Sad 

"Lack of sleep really messes with your judgement though. " that is very true.

By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 05:03
Now I feel obliged to back Aus at these odds, much as I hate odds-on bets in Tests.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:09
WOW! this draw move is legendary!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:12
Jucel planted the seed in my head about draw possibilities here very early in this thread while I was sticking 1k on Aus at 1.16
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:14

Feb 2, 2019 -- 5:12AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


Jucel planted the seed in my head about draw possibilities here very early in this thread while I was sticking 1k on Aus at 1.16


What a mad bet that was and it s not even hindsight as I said at the time it was a blow up in your face kind of bet.

By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:23
A cynic might say Lanka are trying their best to lose a wicket.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:24
Hurry th f*ck up I want some sleep! Sad
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 05:27
I did worse than your 1.16 - I never open a new position at those kind of odds but my Aus red was too large and the draw just wasn't budging so I covered at 1.09 intending to trade in and out at 1.08/1.09 but the market shot out when they declared. This has quickly turned into a nightmare for me. I even sold my massive SL green in the 70s so I have nowt else to trade with.

First time in ages where I had to be away for a whole day of a Test match - not to be recommended. Somehow I didn't risk leaving more resting bets on the draw like I thought, so I missed the 30s. Or maybe I forgot to set them as Keep Bets. Most of my draw green was bought around 10 and 10.5 so tuning in to 13.5/14 was already unsettling. This would have been a good match not to mess up. It doesn't help that I haven't had a decent win in ages and several weather-ruined losses.
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 05:29

Feb 2, 2019 -- 5:23AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


A cynic might say Lanka are trying their best to lose a wicket.


Very good! By that logic, I wish they'd try to play their best cricket instead.

By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:52
Could be a game changer that .....18 wickets needed now!
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 05:54
I see they don't suspend the market when things like this happen, people making money from a seriously injured player
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:54
I'm audio only so have not seen exactly what happened
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:56
"We just saw Karunaratne talking to the physio so that is a slight positive thing in this dreadful incident"

cricbuzz
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 05:57
Jim Maxwell's tone makes me think he is at deaths door Sad
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 06:01
. "Good news is that Karunaratne is apparently alert and talking..."
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:01

Feb 2, 2019 -- 6:01AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:


. "Good news is that Karunaratne is apparently alert and talking..."


Happy

By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 06:10
Must be OK if Aus are chirping!
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:14
undone it all now
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:15
I was filthy with myself for greening at 4s earlier. Not so much now
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:16
that was a decent ball, just straightened
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 06:27
Jucel - do you mind me asking if you always use the same bet size and/or maximum risk for each match or do you use a percentage of bank?
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:30
Completely random! Just depends how I feel about a price.
Trying to rebuild my bank at the moment so my stakes are limited
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:41
the Lankans are masters of this!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 06:43
This has gone, that incident has cost me about £400.....not money lost but money not won.

Obviously I'm glad he's OK
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 06:44
It changed everything!
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:45
yeh it shook up the Lankans, the Aussies don't give a sh1t, just went for the kill
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 06:45
Will level up for about £100....ffs I have only improved my position by £30 poxy quid.
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:46
Think he's ok but doctors will play it safe and he won't bat again in this match
By:
jucel69
When: 02 Feb 19 06:47
I won't be trading this game anymore unless there is a weather play.
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 07:09

Feb 2, 2019 -- 6:30AM, jucel69 wrote:


Completely random! Just depends how I feel about a price.Trying to rebuild my bank at the moment so my stakes are limited


Well yeah, that's why I was asking. I re-built my bank steadily over a year using a gradually increasing bet-size based on a percentage of the total, but undid all the good work by taking a super-large risk that happened to hit a Black Swan event, then after that I bet too big several times in a row and gave a big chunk back. It's annoying that my own psychology still defeats years of experience and what should now be hard-wired discipline.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Feb 19 13:12
I wouldn’t be too filthy with yourself about a very good bet for a large chunk of bank going bad. Kelly says you should take what feel like massive risks on short odds that should be a lot shorter. I’ve had up to about £60k tied up on things like no general election last year. Not sure how I’d have felt if it had gone wrong but the bets were huge value and Kelly would probably have told me to put about 80% of my bank on.

This test is irritating. I’ve had a £4k lay of Aus at 1.19 as my only bet and totally failed to set anything up to back it off, so missed the 1.7s and more realistically a whole load of 1.3 up I should have set up.
By:
VardonVoo.
When: 02 Feb 19 18:35
Full Kelly gives you the fastest growth rate if you can bear the variance, but half-Kelly and quarter Kelly are somewhat easier on the psyche. It's like working commission-only versus basic plus commission.  The former often pays better on average (if you're good) but it's a lot harder on the ear for a married guy. Besides, I don't see why you can't do a selective full Kelly where you simply avoid odds below a certain level. An edge is an edge but a full bank will increase in value twice as fast as a half-bank over the same series of Kelly bets so why risk a half-bank on one bet at short odds for that small edge if you could set yourself back a full time-span if it goes belly-up? What do you do when it loses but Kelly tells you to bet half your remaining bank on the next short-odds shot?

If you did nothing but small bets that averaged an r% gain over a typical month then you could use the "rule of 72" to work out how many months it should take to double your bank, being roughly n = 72/r,  hence 5%, 10% and 20% average monthly returns equate to respectively about 14, 7 and 4 months to double. It's not as useful as a guide if your bank varies widely, of course.

I just worked out, albeit in a back-of-an-envelope way, that if you did a risky 10% average return but lost half your bank after 4 months the total time to double your original bank would be 14 months, similar to if you'd used the "safer" 5% route. Mmmm. That's food for thought, methinx.
By:
Bunsen79
When: 02 Feb 19 21:30
Weather for Monday has improved a lot and they probably won't lose any time. Pitch starting to play a few tricks with Lyon getting some great turn. Starc bowling better on the flatter pitch with the older ball. Looks like Karunaratne will bat again.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 02 Feb 19 21:32
VV, as you say, full Kelly isn’t always good for the psyche, but that’s only when you lose and our native loss aversion makes it easier to be anxious about losses than about missing out on wins. None of us, me included, beat ourselves up that much for not hitting an excellent bet as hard as we should have done and then going green at poor odds but that could easily be a bigger “loss” than many an actual loss that upsets up, when the loss was value and should just have been filed under “that’s why they call it gambling”, which is a phrase I find helpful often.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 21:42
I will have to tread carefully here, the way I chainsawed my green on the other means I will be in REVENGE BET MODE!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 02 Feb 19 21:48
On the other hand I notice there is a big bash double header so maybe I should shut down grab a decent nights sleep and  trade the T20s instead *DECISIONS*
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