BPL Titans v Rajshai ... small truth with ......Butt

I see titans won toss elected to bat

Are titans capable of posting decent score batting first?

I wouldn't count on it even though I've backed them. If they get to 140 I'll be happy.

Before last match, I think it was, I'd never heard of Kesrick Williams but he's not a bad bowler.

Turned into a comedy.

that's a good decision.

the degree to which the bails had been dislodged and that his bat was only just over the line means that it's correct to induce that inbetween frames there was a time when the bails were just off and the bat wasn't over the line.

there are times when you can't make that call, and have to give the benefit to the batsman, but not there.

induce? deduce/infer.

I thought the same but was still surprised he was given out.

Left to the captain again to get 'em out of a mess.

BF score feed is the wrong way around!!

Haven't done so but very tempted to cash out as I think they're knackered after another wicket.

But so far no sign of dew and Kings are prone to an early batting collapse. Tricky one.

I think another wicket down and it will crumble...

However do titans have the bowling it takes ?

Surpised odds didn't move much on that wicket. Takes me from a small green to smaller red though.

am i missing something here? very moderate score with half the side out ball seemingly doing nothing and titans price still relatively low

Danny's 160-170 seems out of the question to me. And yes I think Titans have the bowlers if they have a total to defend, they've done it a couple of times.

Ok so thats the end of that....

And that is very bad news.

Another fine mess I've got myself into. Laid at 1.19. Will be looking to change sides at sometime but odds are killing me!

Amid my losses on test matches lately I'm actually in profit on this tourney!  Big Samit coming to the party today!

Well done CS. I'm actually having a good tourney as well. It mainly looks like I'm losing (and frequently am!) but have swapped sides for the good a lot of times albeit at short odds.

Charlie, if you took all your initial odds-on backs and laid them instead (and let them run or greened-up at much longer odds) how well or badly do you reckon you would have done?

VV
Not sure I understand that as I nearly always back at odds against to start.

Last few overs have helped the cause immensely.

Ah fair enough. I assumed that if you swapped sides at short odds you must have started off backing the other side odds on.

Do you mean you usually back the longer odds then sometimes bail out at even longer odds?

I usually back the team batting first but with the caveat that they're odds against or I believe there's a very good reason for backing team batting first. During the first innings I tend to lay bowling team if there's a wicket and keep doing so for a good few wickets or when odds are quite short (as in my lay at 1.19 in this game).

If things go tits up I don't mind swapping to the apparently winning team at short odds if, and only if, I'm certain in my own mind they will win. I rarely swap in first innings and don't leave it late when odds are prohibitive.

So far I'm not certain Kings win so still on Titans.

Thats a fair assumption Charlie..

Backing odds against often puts me looking at a red screen but I try not to panic too much! Worse situation is when the team batting first gets bowled out for 47 or whatever then I feel silly!

Plus If I can build up a big green on, apparently, losing team then swapping doesn't cost that much.

Surely this is going to take an immense bowling effort by Titans, bring on the wickets!!

There's a bit more to it that though VV as in backing/laying for short trades.

Now I'm exactly neutral.

I always seem to come a-croppers backing odds shorter than evens in T20, even when "repairing" a position, so I try to resist, no matter how certain things look. Otherwise it's too easy to get into a "Martingale"-type scenario if two teams flip-flop repeatedly.

Laying first innings short odds after wickets feels like the more natural trade for me, so I often don't get to trade at all. I don't feel my judgement is good enough to consistently outwit the market at 'normal' odds. There's so much randomness in T20 that laying 1.3 and below for a trade seems like a reasonable risk/reward in many situations. Backing or laying close to evens always seems to go pear-shaped for me, so if I do it I keep it small with the plan to add a little more at better odds if one or two wickets fall early.

I like to back the odds against team when there's flippers.

Have backed some at 1.47 though to even up book a tad.

A mistake I do make is that after being under the cosh for ages I tend to green out too early. It's a tricky one though.

As for randomness in T20 I maintain it's the best market to bet on.

I prefer test matches, but there are simply not enough of them and calendar events, sleep requirements and having a social life can interfere with one's trading plans. So I can see that T20s are great betting markets, especially for contrarians! I just need to bite the bullet and put more at risk each time. I'm sure I actually do better in T20 by not following the match itself, which feels irresponsible and immoral somehow.

Greening out to early is an error of mine too, so what I try to aim for is the "free trade" (e.g. lay at say 1.1, buy back half at 1.2, run the rest) then wait for a move up to close to evens then scale out bit by bit. I've yet to run a short odds lay all the way through a flip-flop, lay some back at short odds the other way then see a another flip-flop all the way - that's my wet-dream scenario.

* "too" early... (pet hate)

I guess the answer is there's no easy answer. If there was we'd all do it. I tend to bet what I feel comfortable with and that includes stakes and the games I bet on. Test matches I like to bet on but often find them boring but do like the big odds swing you can find on them.

Finding this game difficult because I like Titans bowling attack but small total and odds are getting static.

I neutral so becoming bored!

With Tests the interplay between the three possible outcomes over the long time span tends to either limit or greatly exaggerate some of the odds movements. I can't think any other sport where a similar thing happens.

Almost at the stage where I don't care now as in no win/no loss.

Anyone like to call this 1.31 against 4.2 should be easy. Not for me.

Cobras seem short at 1.46?

Good game still.

I thought they were cutting it a bit fine there but maybe that's how you chase a modest score down!