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By:
mafeking
When: 11 Aug 16 21:05
pakistan would snap your arm off to be 80 for 3 at lunch. new balls at both ends of the day for england tomorrow and first up day 3 if needed. they gonna have to pretty much 4 sessions just to get parity
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 11 Aug 16 21:30
Moeen Ali dropped early on and went on to score 108. The match situation could have been very different. As it is England in a good position after at one stage being 110/5.
By:
PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH
When: 11 Aug 16 21:38
sunny and hopefully an oval flat deck tomorrow Happy
By:
cricketnut2
When: 11 Aug 16 21:57
As I stated in the last Test, never judge a pitch, until both sides have batted. Me thinks, this match could well be very close by the end.
By:
jucel69
When: 12 Aug 16 01:30
I missed all the post lunch action.
Did the pitch even out as the day progressed?
Is there a draw back to lay play or has that been blown out of the water?
By:
pxb
When: 12 Aug 16 02:08
Did the pitch even out as the day progressed?

I'd like to know the same.

Forecast is mostly sun. I'm thinking this might be a road for a couple of days.
By:
jucel69
When: 12 Aug 16 02:13

Aug 12, 2016 -- 2:08AM, pxb wrote:


Did the pitch even out as the day progressed?I'd like to know the same.Forecast is mostly sun. I'm thinking this might be a road for a couple of days.


With England 2-1 up they won't give Pak a sniff re declarations, follow ons etc.

By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 12 Aug 16 03:17
Would like to see Eng drift before another ball is bowled, they do need another 19 wickets after all.........hoping that will happen when everyone see how sunny it is.
By:
sonofshinner
When: 12 Aug 16 08:13
whats the odds for striking a pidgeon..
By:
DStyle
When: 12 Aug 16 08:35
England are crazy short. Say pakistan are all out for 180, which is very optimistic, can they go any lower than 1.15?

on the other hand they have the potential to unravel to 4+ if pakistan look like posting a lead and are still batting tomorrow.

if they remain competitive and this wicket flattens out, we're looking at situation where Cook will want to protect the series first before winning the match. and if he can't, well pakistan are in the match.

England are 1.66 here for me. Yes they'll well placed, and they could still destroy pakistan, but that's not happened yet. Market working on the basis that the wicket is going to be as difficult today as it was yesterday, which i'd be very surprised by.  With grey skies forecast tomorrow, and clear weather today, it will almost certainly be the best of the first three days for batting.
By:
TerryHurlock
When: 12 Aug 16 10:15
suns is shinning 8 miles south,looks a lovely day ahead
By:
Fatslogger
When: 12 Aug 16 10:22
Agree with DStyle, up to a point, although even if the deck is pretty flat, Pak already one down, flaky with the bat and England's attack is very good. If there's any swing they could fall in a heap. Even so, I've had a draw back to lay at 9.6 and a big England lay in. If I'd only got my early draw lay hit at 3.5 I'd be in absolute clover but as it is I'm very exposed on England. If Pak bat well I'm going to be very well placed though as tiny red on them at the moment £1.6k red England and £7k draw green with lays set up a long way down.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:38
Tempted with the draw back to lay, batting conditions look glorious.
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Aug 16 10:40
I have laid Eng with the little green I had by backing them and laying Pakistan.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:42
The way they look after that ball is amazing
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Aug 16 10:42

Aug 12, 2016 -- 10:42AM, tomtimtum wrote:


The way they look after that ball is amazing


you mean tampering? :D

By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:43
Not tampering
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Aug 16 10:46
'Looking after the ball' is just a nice term for ball tampering after the brits figured out how it was done. When Pakistan did it in the 90s it was called tampering.

And its still the same. You cant reverse the ball without tampering with it. Its another matter how you want to define tampering and looking after the ball. I actually came across some video the other day about how Root was using his thumb while shining the ball in the last test :D
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:47
The pakistanis were scratching it with their nails and using foreign objects etc

England "look after the ball" by keeping sweat off one side of the ball
By:
johnnyrant
When: 12 Aug 16 10:48
A big difference between picking at the seam and the outside of the ball with your nails, and simply protecting one side of the ball.
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Aug 16 10:52
South Africa have been penalised twice in the last few years for ball tampering.They never challenged it and actually dismissed it by saying we were 'working on the ball'. Now that I see, there was some ball tampering talk after the last test too, which Cook dismissed. I just hope they make it legal for the sake of the game. No better sight than a bowler reversing it.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:54
There was some talk yes but both sides dismissed it
Anyone can post allegations on twitter
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Aug 16 10:56
Yes I know. The Root footage was a bad attempt at proving he was tampering which is why I never bothered too much about it.

Eng starting to drift?
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:57
SA were penalised for ball scratching werent they?
Joe Root was just polishing the ball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IB8w2m1ZZU
How can anyone think this is "unlawful alteration of the surface or seam"
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 10:59
England Lay or Draw back this morning, will watch a few balls first
By:
jucel69
When: 12 Aug 16 11:00

Aug 12, 2016 -- 10:47AM, tomtimtum wrote:


The pakistanis were scratching it with their nails and using foreign objects etcEngland "look after the ball" by keeping sweat off one side of the ball


Cook doesn't sweat so he's ideal. The best shiner we have had in recent times was Tres. After he retired our reverse went downhill for a while.
It has got better in recent times

By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 11:00
and wait till Shah is out Laugh
By:
detraveller
When: 12 Aug 16 11:00
Yeah I watched the same footage. As i said, it was a bad attempt at proving they were tampering. In fact horrible.
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 11:01
Ballance fails at everything
By:
trader pj
When: 12 Aug 16 11:01
New Ball I sense wickets tbh
By:
TerryHurlock
When: 12 Aug 16 11:02
up in the ribs Broad
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 11:03
Interesting footage on SA cheating, had no idea Vernon Philanderer was a cheat!
By:
Mike-lfc
When: 12 Aug 16 11:04
backed 300 or more. £600... not going down without a fight. And gives me something to follow for a day
By:
Mike-lfc
When: 12 Aug 16 11:04
that loses im gonna have to quit. Ive lost two bets today in the most disgusting ways possible so im obviously not up to it
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 11:05
Looks like a runway
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 11:06
Doesnt take beefy long to start Laugh
By:
Richard LL
When: 12 Aug 16 11:06
no movement this morning, tentetive lay of Eng, gulp!
By:
TerryHurlock
When: 12 Aug 16 11:06
was gonna say the same tom,how long til Holding gets on the gloat train
By:
Mike-lfc
When: 12 Aug 16 11:06
they'll either have a first innings lead or get skittled. Take your pick
By:
tomtimtum
When: 12 Aug 16 11:07
had a small lay of England too, dont like it that Shah is in but don't want him to survive for a bit and Eng be out to 1.5
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