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Has a more repulsive, childish, backstabbing idiot ever lived?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/11142212/Kevin-Pietersen-exclusive-interview-The-truth-about-Englands-bullying-culture.html
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Backstabbing? The way he has been treated I am surprised he was so nice about his reporting of the truth of English cricket.
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^agree
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“The thing that horrified me the most was when Andy Flower and Andrew Strauss in Bangalore before the one-day internationals said: 'Guys we’ve got to stop this, it’s not right for the team, there are guys that have come to [us] that are intimidated to field the ball.’ And they [the bowlers] had the audacity to stand there and say: 'No, if they’ve f----- up we deserve an apology.’ It’s the most angry I ever got in that dressing room. I thought, I reckon I could hit these guys. Who do you think you are, to ask for an apology from someone who’s trying his heart out, who’s playing for his country, who’s making a mistake?
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ive always thought swann and broad were bellends, this confirms it, no f ucking way id apologise for making a mistake, the person hasnt dropped it on purpose has he
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it's a funny read, not least because of kev's predictably high level of self regard.
but it confirms something that's been quite obvious for some time, no matter how conceited kev might be, our bowling clique is far more arrogant. the celebration of swann's gallon in brisbane, their blatant on field disagreements with their captain this summer, their refusal to change tactics, show them up in a very bad light. yet, for some reason, it's tolerated, whereas pietersen's actions were not despite his being an undisputedly better player than either broad, swann or anderson. |
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I agree something is not right too. We are not really in a position to know what is going on but the impression of a bowlers clique does exist. Sometimes our bowlers have thrown down filth and they appear untouchable.
Am just looking forward to some bitchy gossip now. It is hard to feel too sorry for KP at times but I have some sympathy for him. I enjoyed watching him bat and without doubt he was the best English batsman since 1970. |
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it appears that the dressing room was such a poisonous vipers nest it was a minor miracle england kept winning everything between 2009 and 2011
don't think anyone is surprised about the relevations about the bowlers |
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Can anyone tell me a team that Pieterson hasn't disrupted since he started playing cricket. Once the balance between his talent and his personality tips to far towards a negative contribution then he is simply not worth the baggage he brings with him.
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the england side under vaughan & fletcher.
the delhi daredevils. surrey. |
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and you shouldn't forget that friction needs two surfaces.
i'm not defending the fact that he's a bit of a pr1ck, who's exceedingly far up himself, clearly he is. he's also not that bright and probably pretty insecure. but what i've suspected for a long long time, is that our bowlers, in particular broad, anderson and swann have been the surface he's rubbed against and they are just as responsible for the breakdown in relations as he is. |
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Pietersen's fate confirms that there's no swifter route to becoming loathed than hard work, talent and success.
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yep even the hacks who couldn't stand him said he was the most professional player they've ever seen. always first in and last out of the nets and no chance of him being involved late night shenanigans on tour
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Exactly, maf.
I wonder whether he'd like to turn out occasionally for Zum now that Matthew Maynard's in charge. Maynard was Fletcher's assistant in 2005 in happier times for Pietersen. |
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As usual with this type of book neither side comes out particularly well, but the arrogance of the bowlers' clique is worse than expected. As several posters have said, it explains a lot. Surprised that a fairly experienced batting line up put up with it (e.g. Strauss, Cook, Trott, KP, Bell, Colly). Can't believe it would have lasted long under the likes of Gatting, Gooch, Atherton, Stewart, Vaughan or even Gower.
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my guess is that strauss tolerated it because they were winning, and let's not forget that Swann was very very good.
Cook is just a nebbish. |
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screaming, we could certainly do with a boost in our one day batting. we're pretty average these days far from the fearsome top 6 or 7 from 3 or 4 years ago. not surprising when you consider tres couldn't buy a run this year, buttler and pollard have gone and then kieswetter missed all the sunday league stuff with his horrific injury
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Always someone else's fault. The coach, the captain, this bowler, that bowler, the wicket keeper etc etc.
The book extract is so one sided and is basiscally a moan at everyone else. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2782289/Kevin-Pietersen-tried-oust-Andrew-Strauss-England-ODI-captain-wooing-Andy-Flower.html |
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tremlett going as far as he can to endorse KP's description of the dressing room culture.
presumably Carberry and Compton still biting their tongues. |
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All so childish, bordering on pathetic.
The ECB could have handled it all so differently if they had half a brain. Whay exactly are man management skills so absent these days?? |
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A lot of the problems are down to 'central contracts' which pay far too much to journeyman professional cricketers...they should be scrapped and the players should play regularly for their counties and be selected on merit for one test at a time.Might need to rejig the cricket programme to allow more county championship playing time but that could easily be done by scrapping the ridiculous hit and run aka 20/20 and reducing the plethora of one day matches.In the old days cricketers strived to play for England and were proud to do so;nowadays they just want the luxury of playing for England without the need to put in the effort.
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good post posy
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listening to the radio 5 now. very interesting!
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but but but posy, you don't want these poor little souls suffering from burnout !
By the way, anyone know what these burnt out England cricketers have done for the last month and will be doing for the next 2 months ? |
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The first smear has been released to cricinfo.com excerpts from the " dossier "
puer, oh puer, oh puer! everybody's smelling of sheite! |
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two pieces, both very good, both echoing the same sentiment.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/787801.html http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/07/the-spin-kevin-pietersen-book but it is Andy Bull is the one who really makes the killer point: In among all this bilious, vindictive, guff there are some brilliantly astute points about what really went wrong, with the England team, with Flower’s management, and with English cricket. [but]All that is good will be lost. The advice will never reach the ears of those who need it most, and even if it does they’re unlikely to listen given the way in which it has been presented. |
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and the leaked email is here
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/interactive/2014/oct/07/leaked-ashes-dossier-kevin-pietersen-pdf |
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"After playing a terrible shot to get out in one of his innings in the Fourth Test, KP returned to the England dressing room and in front of the younger England players, shouted "you lot are a bunch of useless c*nts".
I'd been saying that all series Kevin.  Although I wonder, was it the first innings when he was top scorer, and the 8th wicket, or the 2nd when he was second top scorer and the 9th wicket. That line is a sad indictment of a conspiracy to remove him. You can argue the toss on whether he should be saying things like that to his teammates, we all saw Swann, Broad and Anderson do it on field, but in removing every element of the match context behind the dismissal, and the performance of his teammates in that match, you're clearly making stuff up to paint the picture you want. |
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yep dstyle, the tail enders averaged about 5 against johnson. who could blame him for having almighty slog at that stage of this series having seen what had gone before ?
would have be lucky to get the chance to score another 10 if he'd batted normally and stood at the other end watching the others get out |
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well done kp
probably a couple of years too late to be meaningful but well done all the same |
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The guy appears to just not get on with anyone. No leader can have someone constantly undermining him. No team wants someone constantly saying negative stuff and not interested in meetings.
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like the way the bowlers constantly undermine cook?
i'm not saying he's not in part responsible for his own sacking, but he's not exclusively to blame. and you'll struggle to reach a fair appraisal of matters if you over rely on the dreadful paul newman's writing in the mail. he's long been known to have a gigantic anti-kp agenda. |
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I don't disagree with that frog. I am sure we have all played in teams with players like that. Most often in amateur sport they move on to another team and have several clubs. In professional sport it is different but somebody or the team should have sorted him out in the dressing room. Not by bullying and the cold shoulder but by confronting him. The management could have dropped him for a couple of games to let them know the behaviour was unacceptible the players should have flushed his head down the toilet just to let him know everybody's sheite stinks.
The episode is not just a tragedy but shameful for all of us starting from the top. KP himself is not without blame but he was a professional sportsman and worked hard and should have been an example to the younger players and also to the senior pro's. I remember the Kerry Packers circus. I remember how Tony " Grigg " the South African mercenary betrayed English Cricket and the game of cricket. I held that prejudice till his death. What I didn't know were the people like Doug Arsole and the like who ran the game. I think Arsole was also involved in the D'Oliveira incident. A classic tale of the white man speaking with forked tounge. Greig helped changed cricket forever in a positive way. The people who run our game are still letting us down with their machinations. They have had their nose put out of joint by the Indians with the IPL and have everything they can to keep English players out of it. Now they are sucking up to them at the expense of Test Match Cricket the World over just to get their fingers in the pie. They disgust me. I remember Aussie at Lords a couple of years ago. They were the most embarassing group to ever attempt to impersonate Australian cricketers. By the end of that match I almost felt sorry for any Australian who followed cricket. We should all hang our heads in shame but we should not have to put up with this. |
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spot the difference:
KP gets asked to speak to Piers Morgan about toning down his tweets during the Ashes. (goes in the dossier) ECB bury fake KP account clearly orchestrated by Broad and Swann. |
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I think it's obvious to see what happened.
Flower tolerated certain behaviour from certain players that he wouldn't tolerate from KP, because that group was loyal to him and KP wasn't. With neither prepared to compromise, KP became more isolated which accounts for a lot of his subsequent behaviour. Yes, that makes him a precious pr1ck, but the relationship between Flower and KP is at the heart of all of this, and i'd wager that Flower is a crazed control freak who doesn't like to be challenged, and that's a massive personality defect in a coach. |
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*personality defect in cricket.
doesn't hold for real teams sports, particularly kickball. |
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KP played a type of cricket which was at complete odds with the team's philosophy, yet it changed the result of numerous games they played in for the better. Not one of them got that he played to a completely different risk reward ratio.
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Ground and pound! Can you imagine Botham being told to bowl wide of off stump!
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