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New Zealand V England (3rd Test)

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By:
crunchyfrog
When: 22 Mar 13 01:53
OK, OK, Whose bright idea was it that we should bowl first? Confused
By:
voiceofreason
When: 22 Mar 13 02:25
Christ,what a boring match. no action. game destined for draw, what is the point? off to bed.
By:
pxb
When: 22 Mar 13 02:50
NZ know they need to push on, to have a chance of the win. Wickets will fall.
By:
trader pj
When: 22 Mar 13 04:21
could well be a draw boys Cool
By:
pxb
When: 22 Mar 13 05:32
A match where you could lose your shirt by chasing the market. Apart from some minor tidying, I'll leave this match alone.
By:
ecdub2
When: 22 Mar 13 08:18
lovely first days play - one of the easier games to make money on.
By:
pxb
When: 22 Mar 13 08:49
Traded out to a modest all red book, and that's me done.

Normally I'd be laying the draw at these prices, but this match looks a draw from here.

Can't see NZ getting less than 400 at a fairly slow rate, which means Eng would have to collapse twice on a flat track that won't deteriorate much. Unlikely. Other scenario is NZ get 400, Eng get 550, leaving maybe 3 sessions to bowl NZ out and get whatevers needed. More likely IMO.
By:
takethestand
When: 22 Mar 13 09:10
totally chucking it with rain in Auckland right now
By:
T20man
When: 22 Mar 13 09:27
The pitch is a freeway. What the hell did England see in it to send the Kiwis in??...Confused.
The match and series will be a draw. 0:0 in a 3 match series. Haven't seen that for a while.
Not a great advertisement for Test cricket, but as long as we make $$$, who cares?...Laugh.
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 11:08
It's a freeway at the moment but wickets change.  No harm here in a few quid on ENG at 14.5
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 11:13
Some forecast rain for the start of play today as well - happy to back draw at 1.42 here.
By:
cricnut
When: 22 Mar 13 11:37
A bit or even some rain at the start of play will make little difference, as 27 overs can be made up for lost time. Looking at the wicket, it will do very little for the whole 5 days. New Zealand have sort of made sure, they won't lose this series, with 3 very poor Test Match wickets. Now NZ's bowlers are not as good as England's despite the score, so a draw, although not certain looks very very likely, at this stage.
By:
nicky27
When: 22 Mar 13 11:39
didn't expect such a bat friendly pitch Sad New zealand obviously happy with 0-0 ...yawn
By:
nicky27
When: 22 Mar 13 11:39
not often u see the draw so low after stumps day 1 of a test
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 11:46
In some ways common sense would say lay the draw at 1.42 - as it's a short price but the deck looks so good.

Can easily see NZ getting 400+ although they'll probably accelerate perhaps putting ENG back in late in the day.  As long as ENG don't collapse you end up with another 5 sessions taken out with them batting to 500 particularly without KP.   At which point ENG price will come in and NZ's out and it will rely on an NZ collapse to win the game - but can't see pitch allowing it.

Back of ENG here definitely worth a punt though.
By:
Sudoku_Junior
When: 22 Mar 13 12:21
Think the assumption that England rack up 500 here without a problem is a little off the mark regardless of how good the pitch is. Our middle order looks rather frail imo, bell and root have left a lot to be desired and bairstow plays his first test of the tour.
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 12:39

Mar 22, 2013 -- 6:21AM, Sudoku_Junior wrote:


Think the assumption that England rack up 500 here without a problem is a little off the mark regardless of how good the pitch is. Our middle order looks rather frail imo, bell and root have left a lot to be desired and bairstow plays his first test of the tour.


We'll see.  Bairstow, Root and Compton all have huge vested interests in making a really good innings for their place in the side.

By:
Asparagus Man
When: 22 Mar 13 14:08
Didn't see a ball last night, but England's price is the only one that tempts me.

NZ haven't really scored aggressively and couldn't close out the 1st Test from a position of strength. They'd be delighted with 0-0.

The draw at 1.40 after Day 1 with no major weather concerns should be auto-lay so England around 16 looks more interesting than the Kiwis about 5, although they'd probably need to get 600 to force a result?
By:
d13phe
When: 22 Mar 13 14:44
going to be very hard for england to force a result from here without their main aggressive batsman

Panesar has had a poor tour for me.

they need Swann back and Panesar can attack at the other end.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Mar 13 14:51
My initial lay of the draw is looking sick, 85% of the value gone so no point in levelling up. Lay of NZ looks the best strategy as the green on them is unlikely to come home. Short boundaries mean that Eng could score quickly when their turn comes.
By:
nigel no idea
When: 22 Mar 13 15:20
only value bet left is a back and lay of england and as the market will act very postive to quick wickets. can not c passed a draw here but felt that way in the last test between aust v india then india when mad in the first inns.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Mar 13 15:50
That's true Nigel, the lay of NZ has also reduced my draw liability. The slow scoring rate has meant that NZ price has not moved very much but if wickets fall next session this price should move out and Eng. come in. I will look silly if NZ score 550 and bowl Eng. out twice but not expecting that (famous last words).
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 17:31
It always amazes me how Test Cricket whilst pedestrian at times can change quickly.  A back of ENG here is well worth £20 of anyone's money.  If 13 wickets go tomorrow the draw will get blown out of the water.
By:
the artful dodger
When: 22 Mar 13 17:47
Yes cricket matches have a way of making you look foolish....things can change quickly at times.The problem England have here,though,is that NZ will be happy with 0-0 and will probably bat on and on until they can't lose......the onus is on England to bowl them out and pretty quickly too.Sometimes Cook can be pretty negative too and he'll be keen not to muck things up and lose.....we'll see!!!
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 17:52

Mar 22, 2013 -- 11:47AM, the artful dodger wrote:


Yes cricket matches have a way of making you look foolish....things can change quickly at times.The problem England have here,though,is that NZ will be happy with 0-0 and will probably bat on and on until they can't lose......the onus is on England to bowl them out and pretty quickly too.Sometimes Cook can be pretty negative too and he'll be keen not to muck things up and lose.....we'll see!!!


Agreed but new ball is only 10 overs old and they have the firepower.  You have to ask the question, which team is more likely to get bowled out cheaply twice?  NZ for me.

By:
Blackwater
When: 22 Mar 13 17:55
The whole series has been a case study in why Joe Public has lost interest in Test cricket.

At no point have we witnessed any sort of a contest, so why watch?

A draw is one thing, the draw being odds-on from lunchtime on day one is quite another.

You reckon there will be 13 wickets today, Nige? Bless you, the world loves an optimist. I hope you're right.
By:
the artful dodger
When: 22 Mar 13 17:58
Fascinating stuff,Nigel....we'll see!
By:
DJSteer
When: 22 Mar 13 18:47
There's 4 long days to go in this test. Of course the draw is favourite but England were unlucky on day 1: there could easily have been 4 more scalps. I predict wickets on day 2 (not sure about 13 though).
By:
bigpoppapump
When: 22 Mar 13 19:10
Eng v good price here. Nothing else makes sense. Maybe lay NZ if you have no balls.

Suppose the guessers who smash in odds on prematch without seeing pitches have already gone skint in this series have they?

Laugh
By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 19:14

Mar 22, 2013 -- 11:55AM, Blackwater wrote:


The whole series has been a case study in why Joe Public has lost interest in Test cricket.At no point have we witnessed any sort of a contest, so why watch?A draw is one thing, the draw being odds-on from lunchtime on day one is quite another.You reckon there will be 13 wickets today, Nige? Bless you, the world loves an optimist. I hope you're right.


That's not what I said!

By:
nigelpm1
When: 22 Mar 13 19:15

Mar 22, 2013 -- 1:10PM, bigpoppapump wrote:


Eng v good price here. Nothing else makes sense. Maybe lay NZ if you have no balls. Suppose the guessers who smash in odds on prematch without seeing pitches have already gone skint in this series have they?


Why no balls?  Laying NZ looks a pretty safe bet to me.

By:
bigpoppapump
When: 22 Mar 13 19:34
Because Shorting NZ is nowhere near as potentially profitable as buying some cheap Eng at current prices. 28% max return for risk versus more than 1000% on Eng. and the draw should already be onside (if your tv works).
By:
takethestand
When: 22 Mar 13 20:09
Auckland weather.  Big patches of blue sky with occasional cloud.  8.08am.  Game will start on time and lose 0 overs.

NZ declare on 590/1
By:
Injera
When: 22 Mar 13 20:33
Bigger prices available on England later today. Little or no value in taking a price on them now.
By:
Blackwater
When: 22 Mar 13 21:07
NZ declare on 590/1.

Cry
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Mar 13 21:36
Bigpoppapump,
Starting from a clean sheet, backing England at these odds is tempting. In my case I already had a big red on the draw and shorting NZ which reduces this red and increases green on England makes more sense than the direct back of England which increases the liability on the draw. The first law of successful investing is preservation of capital. Admittedly had I not gone to bed last night I could have layed off earlier but that's water under the bridge.
Good luck all tonight.
By:
takethestand
When: 22 Mar 13 21:56
9.55am  Perfect weather for cricket.  Full days play
By:
takethestand
When: 22 Mar 13 21:56
9.55am  Perfect weather for cricket.  Full days play
By:
d13phe
When: 22 Mar 13 22:02
put a decent bet on England at the price. quick wickets and this is a par position for day 2 of a test.
By:
ecdub2
When: 22 Mar 13 22:04
30 mins with no wickets and they blow up to 30
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