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betfair have to do something about this matter seriously bcz day by day forum is getting more and more worst but i m nt understanding tht we all r here for exchangeing each others thoughts and make money so y some people r makeing forum very bad

wise-punt
Joined: 20 May 11
Replies: 882 16 Feb 12 11:40   
It appears that most of the posters from Asia are those who do not bet on BF, as they are provisional members subject to deposits which they cannot.

If BF checks that only members with deposit can post and others removed from the forum. Hopefuly
that would resolve the problem to a great extent.


^^^This. Not just deposits, I don't want to be talking to anyone with less than 10k to drop.

I use Twitter mainly for real-time information gathering, but I restrict who can follow me and I don't Tweet much myself.  I don't really like being so public with my betting activities.

I've found another forum which is quite good and reminds me of the "BF Forum Glory Days", but since this is the first time I've actually seen a Betfair Community Manager on here there may be some hope.  It's worth giving BF a month or so for improvement before moving on completely.

If someone wants to make a prediction, that's fine with me.  What makes it unbearable is the same 5-10 (and increasing) posters who just keep repeating the same prediction again and again.  Nothing extra to add  each time just plain repetition "xyz will win", usually in bold or block capitals to make it somehow carry more weight, as if they're in an arms race with the other guessers.

The concept of a private chat area sounds like it has potential but I've no experience of this from other forums.  Do they generally work quite well?
I don't envy you your task, BCM but the forum has ultimately proved unsuccessful in policing itself.

1.01/fairfranco - I can see that private chat may not be required if we can get the actual forums 'tidied up' a bit. But there's no harm in offering both. They do work on other forums - for example, during a Test if there is a large group discussion, you can break off with a few people from the group and chat privately about a particular aspect. The big conversations remain - but the option is there to start a smaller discussion and then go back later. The self-policing will be easier when we have put a few things in place which I am working on now. In the meantime, I can only ask that you report any of the sort of 'bad' posts that we have discussed here.

I personally think if the block option was more one click oriented, and once blocked you shouldn't even know they are there.
Pretty easy to identify whos posts you wish to take no notice of, but the main problem is the quality gets lost in the quantity.  This happens when you block still because you still see that they posted.
I think for a start, that would be a positive step to get people contributing with the people they want to converse with, and not have to even know about the rest of it.  That would be enough for others to get involved long enough to learn who and how to block.

Obviously there are other options, and better options, but for ease of implementation, I think this is enough to get things moving.

Or we could all just join the competition

the betfair community platform is a very good one, i think they use a solution from a company called Lithium, and they handle some big communities - they will no doubt have many options and extensions available for improving and monitoring the quality of the community. However, this is a community of punters, you will always find a lot of rubbish here, therefore the only way to really manage it well, and also the simplest way, is a more active community manager. You need 2 or 3 people who are paid a salary and all they do is monitor the forums and make sure that it stays constructive and banning folk who talk sh*t. That is of course a cost!

The easiest way to clear it up quickly would perhaps be Wise Punt's suggestion - if you dont deposit, you cant pay. You can read, but you cant post. That in conjunction with an active community manager would solve the problem

If you pay me £100,000 a year I will personally be responsible for actively managing the cricket forum I could also throw in Rugby and Cheltenham 2012

will there be a supertrader private chat club?

Many forum communities online self-regulate.  In other words, they agree on a set of moderation principles or guidelines and then volunteers from within the community regulate the forum based on those principles and guidelines.

It doesn't need to cost Betfair a cent.  As for the question of who moderates the moderators ?  Well, if they step outside of the moderation principles/guidelines, or become slack then they are removed and replaced.

FWIW, I've started reporting people for blatantly rubbish posts as an experiment to see if any action is going to be taken.  Until there is some improvement, I'll be posting most of my content and discussion elsewhere.

As tongue in cheek as my comment regarding payment was, it may be a good idea to make some people on the forum moderators. The issue would be who to select however you could have half a dozen or so 'volunteers' who more than likely should be made up of those posting on this thread - all names are recognised posters who are known as good posters and refuse to do so anymore. I just went through the Aus v India match thread and took BCM advise about reporting poor pastes/language - I hit double figures!!

I also notice that Match threads now only have about 300-500 posts a match - I remember when it was 3000-5000 per game - so clearly there is a huge decline.

If Betfair - made some of us moderators we would be able to remove bad posts, issues bans (in accordance with guidelines set out by Betfair and not on our own whims)and provide confidence to the rest of the forum that someone they 'know' is managing it and who they can come to with complaints.

It would probably be a cheaper and simpler solution to an entire forum overhaul. Most of us read the forum regularly so everything would be managed - particular during game time...

Thoughts?

This is true, however, people might return once all the crap is gotten rid of?

I know I don't contribute often to the forums, things are not as good as they were in the early days. Loads of great characters no longer post. Sometimes I call in to have a look at other peoples opinion on sports bets. Sadly there is too much utter rubbish now. Some of the people who post are genuine and their insight into the sports is very valuable. I know who they are. Thank you. Would the bull****s and rampers please feck off.

Cardinal
Whilst I concede some of your point about elitsist then if it is elitist to have standards then give me elitist any day. It cannot be acceptable to constantly accuse England of fielding a side full of South Africans nor can it be acceptsble to post points that have little merit such as "this game is fixed", "i know who will win the toss" (i thought only Sangakarra had that privilige) or depicting the chip on shoulder assertions that are becoming commonplace with some of our friends from overseas.

On a Forex forum that I was party to implementing in 1999 we had it set up so that you could see both the ROI or ROM of each poster. I am surprised no-one has done this with PCFair.

rohit - 1. We are working towards something along those lines; 2. Not sure we'd need this if I get idea 1 working properly; 3. Am working with the developers to do something about this

sounds good guys dont use the forum much nowadays due to so much rubbish on here must admit do miss some of the conversations with the likes of SY LIX ROHIT SFBTW BIRCHY and many more

The cricket forum seems a bit like Rourke's Drift, the last stand against inevitable destruction by the idiots. You can't go on the football forum at all. Every thread ends the same, with a lynch-mob doing its best to humiliate somebody.

Any chance we could get a button that blocks jobless 20 year-olds on here? It seems that they are running the asylum...sorry forum.