****** Pakistan v England 3rd Test 2nd Day ******

draw 28s

These 2 look like they could bat all day.

cheap, cheap, cheap, England playing normal cricket in far from normal series

Pakistan are now to Good , But I can feel a early wickets so laying Pak After all Laid on England now book is superb green.

Cricket is the only sport that bothers me if England are not doing well in,

but for some reason i'm not wanting wickets WHY

complete control here pak. should be 1.1

no more wkts today draw gonna be 12ish maybe

You're on overs Soba ;)

Who thinks the pitch will look as placid when England bat again?

On overs here but no doubt the pitch looks much easier today,

This partnership has really changed the game. Both Pakistan players have made batting look a lot easier. I would imagine that anything over 200+ will be very difficult for England to chase. We haven't looked comfortable at all against either spinner and I don't think that will change when we come to bat again. Hopefully the draw keeps coming in, all the better for laying it later on.

jumped on draw at 55's with £100...pak maybe 150 ahead tonight, take time to get 200 more tommorow, could leave england needed to bat 4 sessions ish on a better pitch

No doubt England will make batting look impossible once they go into their shells.  None of the wickets have been minefields this series but England have struggled.  What's gonna make their next innings any different? 

If Pak are batting at stumps today I can't see any other result than 3-0.  Who'd have thought it a month ago?

it's more than 4 sessions NP, it's only day 2

Brich

Its now twist and trickle game for both teams, And If you can see ODDS reflections then you can see that when Eng was 1.63 and Pak was 2.70 So that's means Market still in loved England too, So whatever if they will get Huge lead After all 145 or 77 all out.

They will chase any score I can see England will fav soon 160 again.IMO What about result so no one can predict both teams surely both are now in trickle position. So As a Trader I backed PAK 2.80 But we got England 1.30 that time my 2.80 backed pak was just useless and laid More at around 1.40's England and Laid now Pak

But I am Laying Pak more I can see England will do fight.

how long until the england price takes off?

4 day test matches very soon with DRS

Brich

Its now twist and trickle game for both teams, And If you can see ODDS reflections then you can see that when Eng was 1.63 and Pak was 2.70 So that's means Market still in loved England too, So whatever if they will get Huge lead After all 145 or 77 all out.

They will chase any score I can see England will fav soon 160 again.IMO What about result so no one can predict both teams surely both are now in trickle position. So As a Trader I backed PAK 2.80 But we got England 1.30 that time my 2.80 backed pak was just useless and laid More at around 1.40's England and Laid now Pak

But I am Laying Pak more I can see England will do fight.

i honestly think some people such as new punter think its day 3. thats why draw is what is. ridiculous. if pak bat all day tmrw it will be stumps on DAY 3! this match has gone insanely fast and was due for a speedbump. this is it. but its only day 2 folks!!!!!

Salman please post where you said you backed pak at 2.8

Bowled Gilo!

Like I said Salman.  I dont see why England should suddenly improve with the bat.  Are the likes of Bell and Morgan gonna have learnt how to pick Ajmal overnight?  Can't see it.

Wow England backed at 1.20

can i ask you guys something, do you back in the 1st session or wait until the test match is taking shape until you enter the market?

if you had a crystal ball soba, then 1.2 is shocking, but when pakistan 47/7 ish 1st innings then not a bad price

PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH
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Salman please post where you said you backed pak at 2.8

If you saw the Starting odds after toss So pak was 2.70 and England was 2.70 But As said that I worked at Local Bookies so they gives me 2.80 Both So i pick Pakistan But My bad luck I picked Pak and Pak lost all out at 99

max - never trade before game to many people know players sickness / pitch / weather etc. 1st session is a good time to get your trading underway imo.

salman

I don't know who the bigger fraud is/was: England as the 'top test team' or India.

Both incapable of coping with foreign conditions and make the whole ranking system a total farce.

Genuinely embarrassed to be an English cricket supporter.

some more dodgy bets matched on the run lines????

100@ 8.0  pak to score 425... and then bout 2 mins later, 
100@ 8.0  pak to score 525...

reckon someone moving funds about??   appeared and matched as if someone knew they were coming??

plenty of moving funds about action on betfair , sometimes you can get some good value if you have auto refresh

cheres PTTT

PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH

But I really pure heart feeling that England will be chase any score After , 145, 77, 141 all out's

Just think that If We will get England And Pakistan 2.30 So what you pick

England's Bowling is sh!t like yet No wicket fall in session and Bating so Also poor.

Pakistan's Bowling is outstanding England batsman can not see the Pakistanis Bowl and Batting is bit fine 144/2

So after 2.30 You should pick Pakistan as a Good traders, and Analyzers


But that time I think England will chase it.IMO Surely   90% Money on Pakistan But 10% will be shrewdness Bet IMO

salman bhai kal ind ke match me ye bhaw pe 5 peti khaskte aus

Zainil,

I think you should wait for the toss. Its not T20, Australia have good chance to win 1st ODI good luck.

aapko kya bhaw pe khana sahi lagta he or kya bhaw 1st inning pe aus ja sakta he

Salman i backed pakistan yesterday as you will of read in yesterdays thread at 2.7ish but came out to early , i think england will bat better when asked

i often see this sort of thing on the run lines in particular.  Often an impossible score....( a side might be 180/9) on a tunrer and someone will ask for a evens the 300 runs for like 500quid??.  as soon as it appears..its often matched for the same amount. 

Happens quite a bit.   Was one game a few months ago, late night / early morning and i managed to pick up about 300 quid, just by somehow getting infront on like 4 times within 5minutes of each other.   was really strange game but good for me.   I  bet he was cursing me?

i just missed the lay this time.  (thats why this one was dodgy)     he plays a strange game.

Can anybody tell me that what is the last ODDS on draw ?? 140 ??

160

salman bhai kal ind jitne ka chance dikhra

Lanza good story

Swan look's like a duck out of water

That last ball from Monty signals curtains for England.

as said before monty is a better spin bowler than swann, but swann 1st choice cse of his batting

im always refreshing hoping i see strange amounts being put up out of line. 

This one time  (not band camp)  i saw  someone put up like 200 at 1.8 for 225 runs.   THe team had already scored 350 runs.  And his money was at the front.  Nothing else there.  I thought...  mmm.    So i put 200 at 1.01 up and then immediately 200 at 1.79.

he left like 2 quid there of mine there.    Have to develop some new moves.

new moves

Don't agree with you there PTTT.  Monty became too predictable during his last spell for England.  Swanns bowling has turned draws into wins.

well we went through a stage  where i was topping him / undercutting  and he didnt wanna play.   so i thought...  il ask for 2 quid.  i bet he wont mind losing 2 quid to transfer the money. 

But then had to be quick.

This pitch is roasting. The top will go tomorrow with a new ball

quite often, theres very little money there, then all of a sudden 1000 at 1.3 tunrs up wanting to bet some line, when 1.05 was last price matched and it looks certain to go over.  But it still gets matched??    so i started putting money infront and been matched a few times.

theres some guy who puts up 12345 at 1.01  quite abit????  dont know what thats about?

Birch - yes swann had a magical year, personally i would rather have monty as a 1st spin option to take wkts whereas swann maybe for containing on the flatter decks.

Having said that i woudnt want either spinner at mo

stealthgun 04 Feb 12 09:45 
Can't see England chasing anymore than 150.

well batted Younis

WP Younus. It was against a woeful 'attack' though.

We'd probably leak less runs if Prior bowled ffs.

indeed.

incidentally, 1.3 looks fecking huge.

whilst i'm usual a harsh cricket of betting by pattern, i do like to make one exception in cricket.

not slipping into a negative mindset off a string of losses within a series, is almost impossible. 50 more runs here and pakistan should really be 1.05

*harsh critic

when will draw price go single figures, will be very short imo end of morning session if lead is 280 with 6 wkts left

, oops sorry for that i honestly thought we were now in day 3, not 2

Here's the hat-trick hero...

Lol you're not the first to make that mistake Elis

"oh **** it"

that's what strauss just said.

I'm not convinced about that predicted trejectary.

the other side of english cricket how on earth are they n1 in world

pretty embarressing the replays of the laughing players

richard ''dott dott jonathan trott''  ll 

Are England really this bad! What is going on here 217/2, what is going on!!!!! FFS

Bet the Lankans are filling their britches...

World No.1 test team coming to town with no batsmen who can play spin and no bowlers who can bowl on slow/low decks...

Please let Aus or SA replace us soon..It's just plain embarrassing.

So wait managed to get 28-2 and then 218=3 England you are rubbish absolutely rubbish!!!!!!

Are England really this bad poor batting at the beginning of the day ludicrous crazy mad batting, that has no thought of it being a test match at all and then this utter rubbish bowling making them look like absolute amateurs disgusting England!

1.3 pak, christmas already?

Eng 'fans' are an embarrassment on this cricket forum. Lambasting them as 2nd rate as soon as they've got their backs against the wall. Seems the modern way of things - hysterical over-reaction. Eng are world no1 in test cricket right now and deservedly so. One under-performing series does not make them useless all of a sudden. I recall when Oz were world no1 but continually being d*cked in India... This Eng side will put things right and come back stronger from this series.

What will England be able to chase?

400, Dado, easy. Pitch has flattened out.

Pak have enough already

No they have been useless but they will still win this final test bowl out Pakistan quickly tomorrow and slowly edge there way into the winning seat :)

England shall come strongly. Any score is chaseable. Don't we see a flattened pitch. Result day4

Well said johnnyrant - load of morons who seem to have escaped the kickball forum talking rubbish about things they don't understand. This was always going to be a tough tour against an outstanding Pakistan attack ( in these conditions ) and a workmanlike batting unit. Teams struggling in alien conditions is nothing new in cricket - look how Pakistan struggled on their last tour of England. The side loses their first series in nearly three years and they get derision from certain posters on here - laughable. Englands bowling has been high quality in this series, the batting has struggled but these players have not become rubbish overnight.

I expect a more attritional series in Sri Lanka with England coming out on top - Sri lanka's spinners do not carry anywhere near the threat of Pakistans and if the lankans prepare dry turners as they did in Galle against the Aussies they will come unstuck - as they did on that occasion.

This Eng side will put things right and come back stronger from this series

Yeah, when we bully a poor Windies side at home when everything is in our favour.

We are CLUELESS in the subcontinent and only look to be getting even worse...

For me (and most other Eng fans) it's just not good enough.

More bilge posted by the sweaty.

Oh, you think I'm a jock because of username?

Wrong. I'm as English as fish and chips - and what I've witnessed in India and now in U.A.E, is an already poor batting line up against spin - getting even worse..

We always get...''We've took positives''....''We'll come back stronger'' etc..

When in reality, we keep making the same mistakes - time and time again...

How as an England fan, can you be happy with us being more than likely whitewashed after being crowned No.1 in the world?

tbf this performance from england is worse than the 4-0 india or the aussies in the ashes. this is pretty bad, let's not fool ourselves

Not really Rollers.  England haven't lost by an innings this series.

mmm suppose you're right, but it's pretty bad when considering the high they were on before this series.
interesting anyways, its been good watching the recent series where ball have dominated

My 2 pence worth

England have struggled on this tour and I expect them to lose late on day 4 in this test

I cannot compare india's eight tests v the three tests here. I suppose what i would like to see is Pakistan v India on these conditions. DRS of course will not apply.

England will improve tomorrow but it is too late for them in this test imo.

COME ON ENGLAND PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking at this scorecard and am just shocked to see Ali and Khan on the scores they are on after everything that has happened here but really considering the time England should be able to chase down 350

anyone else think 1.3 on pakistan seems huge? been away and was expecting to see 1.13ish

Chase will be minimum of 300 and our batting has looked beyond clueless so far in this series. Lots of rough outside the off stump for left-handers which will be a huge issue with Cook, Strauss, Morgan, Broad, Anderson, Panesar all in the line up.

Pat Nevin - as an English cricket fan how did you cope with the nineties ?

cnman
short answer - i was expecting the same, not 1.3x

I fully agree Cnman.  I'm fully loaded up on Pak with four figures at an average of 1.45.  Very rare I stake so much but this price is massive.

Backing Pak at 1.3 after day 2 of a dead rubber?  would rather stick pins in my eyes thanks.  shirley see bigger than that.

Conundrum time but agree that Pak are huge favs - Aus of old vs Eng of old would be sub 1.1 in this situation

that 1 ball I saw earlier on the replay show (from Monty) said enuf for me.  Nearly took 1st slip's block off (whoever it was, Strauss?).  Pak have enough, but they'll never declare in a month of moons.

Kaypee gotta go hasnt he?

i think england will give some fight and again we will see odds up may be around 1.70

yes I expect Eng to make inroads but not in so sufficent a way that it means a path to victory. I just think whatever they are set will be too much for them

how much does pak need to bat eng out of this

250 lead