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Just Checking
12 Jun 20 13:31
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Won't see this expert stating such facts on the BBC or Channel 4 anytime soon.
“The number of whites who were enslaved in North Africa by the Barbary pirates exceeded the number of Africans enslaved in the United States and in the American colonies before that put together.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uevbYrS9kRw
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Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 1:32 PM BST
typo in subject line deliberate, as usual.
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 1:34 PM BST
Also: https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1270698452486361089
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 1:49 PM BST
What about?
Report UBLE/REGY June 12, 2020 1:52 PM BST
But the enslavers tended to be more of Arab origin...than black Africans??????

Anyway nobody is responsible for what our forebears did, so we do not have to apologise for them
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 1:53 PM BST
What about?

Silence is violence.
Report Angoose June 12, 2020 1:53 PM BST
There are many untold stories out there, never too late to expand your knowledge base.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 12, 2020 1:56 PM BST
Didn't we get this same story already on here

Probably same poster

Forgot he had already done this forum?
Report Cardinal Scott June 12, 2020 1:57 PM BST
The ...........................Guardian  Grin shone sunlight on white slavery 16 years ago, mainly North African muslims some forumites will be delighted to hear.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/11/highereducation.books
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 1:58 PM BST
YOU WON'T HEAR THE LEFT TALK ABOUT THIS!!!
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 1:59 PM BST
Thomas Sowell is part of the token black conservative group that reactionaries quote to try and deny structural issues
Report Angoose June 12, 2020 2:00 PM BST
Didn't ford have a model named the Corsair Confused
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 2:00 PM BST
Can't argue with facts, attack the man. Always pathetic.
Report casemoney June 12, 2020 2:03 PM BST
North African pirates abducted and enslaved more than 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780 in a series of raids which depopulated coastal towns from Sicily to Cornwall, according to new research.
Thousands of white Christians were seized every year to work as galley slaves, labourers and concubines for Muslim overlords in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, it is claimed.

Deary Me Shocked
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 2:07 PM BST
Yes casemony I posted about this on my "shores of Tripoli" thread. I'll post relevant part of that below:

North Africans (and Turks) enslaving Europeans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

"Pirate raids for the acquisition of slaves occurred in towns and villages on the African Atlantic seaboard, as well as in Europe. Reports of Barbary raids and kidnappings of those in Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, England, Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland, and as far north as Iceland exist from between the 16th to the 19th centuries. It is estimated that between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by pirates and sold as slaves in Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli during this time period. The slave trade in Europeans in other parts of the Mediterranean is not included in this estimation"
"Such raids in the Mediterranean were so frequent and devastating that the coastline between Venice and Malaga[16] suffered widespread depopulation, and settlement there was discouraged. In fact, it was said that "there was no one left to capture any longer."
"Supplies from the Black Sea appear to have been even larger. A compilation of partial statistics and patchy estimates indicates that almost 2 million Russians, Ukrainians, and Poles were seized from 1468 to 1694. Additionally, there were slaves from the Caucasus obtained by a mixture of raiding and trading. 16th- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700."

I await the BBC documentary about this with baited breath.
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 2:10 PM BST
The point being, as made in that short video clip so well, is that Slavery was never something some white people did to black people as our media love to portray. It's something humans have been doing to other humans, including black to black and black to white, since forever. I mean the OLD testament talks about it at length, which might be a clue.
Report Charlie June 12, 2020 3:07 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 8:10AM, Just Checking wrote:


The point being, as made in that short video clip so well, is that Slavery was never something some white people did to black people as our media love to portray. It's something humans have been doing to other humans, including black to black and black to white, since forever. I mean the OLD testament talks about it at length, which might be a clue.


Slavery was never something some white people did to black people as our media love to portray

I don't know anyone who is saying that.
When it comes to the Premier League of slave traders Britain was top with over 3 million.

Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 3:09 PM BST
It also implies that the Africans who sold the slaves in the first place were joint-top.

It is a trade, after all. There had to be a seller as well as a buyer.
Report UBLE/REGY June 12, 2020 3:15 PM BST
I accept that Charlie

But is continually referring back to the Slave trade...actually helping us now?

This protest was originally over the death of George Floyd for which I still need to see justice

I trust we will in time.
Report saddo June 12, 2020 3:37 PM BST
The BBC reported that the Barbary raids were largely peaceful.
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 3:40 PM BST
SillyLaughLaughLaugh
Report UBLE/REGY June 12, 2020 3:41 PM BST
????? How can they be peaceful....men were being kidnapped for slavery
Report dave1357 June 12, 2020 3:42 PM BST
Every day the right wing useful idiots make more ludicrous points as the idiots they voted for laugh at them.
Report saddo June 12, 2020 3:43 PM BST
It'll all come out in the wash dave, if them BLM cowards ever turn up to some opposition.
Report Just Checking June 12, 2020 3:44 PM BST
"How can they be peaceful....men were being kidnapped for slavery"
UBLE he's making a joke about the BBC the other day having the (now ripped apart) pathetically BBC headline of:
"27 police officers injured during largely peaceful anti-racism protests in London"
Report UBLE/REGY June 12, 2020 3:48 PM BST
I knew really justcheckingBlush

27 Officers injured in peaceful protests....another one
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 4:19 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 9:42AM, dave1357 wrote:


Every day the right wing useful idiots make more ludicrous points as the idiots they voted for laugh at them.


They are all thinking too freely for us

Report Platini June 12, 2020 4:24 PM BST
Slavery was invented in the 19th century

either that or the SJW's virtuous time machine doesn't go back any further than that Laugh
Report InsiderTrader June 12, 2020 4:27 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 9:48AM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


I knew really justchecking27 Officers injured in peaceful protests....another one


If we defund and get rid of the police the none will get injured.

Report aaronh June 12, 2020 4:30 PM BST
Defund doesn't not mean abolish for most as you well know IT
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 4:39 PM BST
What does it mean then?
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 4:47 PM BST
It means to cut their funding and divert funding to
1) places that can solve issues the police would previously deal with as a first response. Treat drugs as a medical issue, homelessness as a housing issue, mental health as a health issue. If a qualified professional had attended to the new fake cause of choice - Tony Timpa- its very unlikely he would have ended up dead
2) investing more into things where the lack of investment can cause places to be a breeding ground for crime. Education, housing, jobs etc

Police budget trump the budget for so many other services and engaging in preventative measures is clearly a more sensible route than reactive measures
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 4:51 PM BST
Some are abolitionists who I'm not fully sure of what the full stance is there but the mainstream defund the police stance is as above
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 4:51 PM BST
Treat drugs as a medical issue, homelessness as a housing issue, mental health as a health issue.

What? Police are first responders to drug use, homelesness and mental health issues. You don't half talk a load of nonsense.
Report InsiderTrader June 12, 2020 4:54 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 10:30AM, aaronh wrote:


Defund doesn't not mean abolish for most as you well know IT


For many it does. Look what happened to Jacob Fry, the major of Minneapolis when he said he would not support abolishing the police...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OYO9aipa8

Also BLM campaigner Gary McFarlane  is crystal clear that he want UK police to be abolished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UoA2RHLlww

Report InsiderTrader June 12, 2020 4:54 PM BST
Mayor not major!
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 4:56 PM BST

Jun 12, 2020 -- 10:51AM, Shrewd_dude wrote:


Treat drugs as a medical issue, homelessness as a housing issue, mental health as a health issue.What? Police are first responders to drug use, homelesness and mental health issues. You don't half talk a load of nonsense.


And the point is that they shouldn't be

Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 4:58 PM BST
And the point is they aren't although in fairness I think I missed a second questions mark.
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 5:01 PM BST
Confused
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 5:03 PM BST
The police deal with all of those things, especially in the US.
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 5:04 PM BST
As I understand it you said Police are first responders to drug use, homelessness and mental health issue and they shouldn't be. They are not currently first responders to drug use, homelessness and mental health issues.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 12, 2020 7:45 PM BST
It all comes down to whether you believe

1) a man becomes a feral criminal owing to his drug use, homelessness or mental health issues, and thus needs a social worker;

or whether you believe

2) a man becomes a homeless, mentally disturbed drug addict on account of being a feral criminal, and thus needs the intervention of a burly copper.

In my experience, people brought up in comfort and good fortune believe (1), while unfortunate people brought up on lousy estates believe (2).
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 8:14 PM BST
Thats all well and good but this isn't referring to people who are criminals, unless you put the  drug use down as such.

A schizophrenic or someone having another breakdown of sorts does not need the police at their door as the first response
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 8:28 PM BST
When has that actually happened?
Report aaronh June 12, 2020 8:59 PM BST
I dont get how you are struggling to get to grips with such a standard and uncontroversial claim
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 9:29 PM BST
I don't get how you think police are the first responders for people who are suffereing from mental health issues and homelessness. Fell free to answer the questions I have asked if you think my understanding is lacking.
Report Shrewd_dude June 12, 2020 10:21 PM BST
Feel free Aaron.
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