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onlooker
05 Jun 20 17:14
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These politicians - of all sides - are a breed apart.

Meanwhile - 'BREAKING NEWS' on Sky ...

Cambridge Analysis say - 'R Rate is rising in parts of the country'.

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By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:17
More cyclist. Hooray!
By:
geordie1956
When: 05 Jun 20 17:19
congratulations to the government for achieving this unenviable result ... Sad
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:19
I've been waiting a long time to find out when Chester Zoo is reopening. Cry
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:21
Who cares about the 10's of thousands of deaths, when there is such exciting news in the offing?
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:25
This muppet is worse than useless! Sad I find it hard to believe they can't find somebody more competent for such an important job.
By:
onlooker
When: 05 Jun 20 17:25
Sam Coates, of SKY - who broke the 'R Rate Rising' story - now questions Hancock, on the Daily Briefing - and NAILS it.

His question - to Hancock ...

'You seem to be cherry-picking the figures that you quote' ... 'when Cambridge, today, report that the R Rate is Rising in various regions'.
By:
sixtwosix
When: 05 Jun 20 17:25
He didn't even suggest it would be able to open at all.
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:26
I wonder if they have baboons!
By:
sixtwosix
When: 05 Jun 20 17:27
Nor did he explain why a garden centre , supermarket or DIY centre can open and a zoo cannot.

Is it the indoor aspects , food , toilets or something to do with proximity to wild animals ?
By:
sixtwosix
When: 05 Jun 20 17:28
I do like this modern generic term 'community'.

I have never been aware of being part of one .
By:
1st time poster
When: 05 Jun 20 17:30
because you cant get an elephant in a garden centre
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:31
Zoos do not really fulfill a need. Some people may like to visit them, but in the grand scheme of things, they are not that important.
By:
Angoose
When: 05 Jun 20 17:31
By:
1st time poster
When: 05 Jun 20 17:34
LaughLaugh,
he,s got more neck than a giraffe, Laugh
By:
Des Pond
When: 05 Jun 20 17:35
because you cant get an elephant in a garden centre

This is true. You can get one in a room though. And there is a fooking great, massive one in this one.
By:
onlooker
When: 05 Jun 20 17:35
Strewth - Bloke from Muslim News - supposed to be asking a QUESTION.

Gives us a bloody biased SERMON on BAME

Talk about insular interests.
By:
Just Checking
When: 05 Jun 20 17:37
Maybe once the forum geniuses have identified a way to subtract numbers from a monotonically increasing total they can explain it to the scientific and political community at large, and the bellends in our scummedia.
By:
nineteen points
When: 05 Jun 20 17:45
more face than a herd of hippos. any good?
By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 17:51
You're normally a balanced poster onlooker, so your OP is a little disappointing. He can't unwind the historic deaths but the rate of new infections is coming down with is obviously positive, along with hospital admissions and ICU bed take up.

Forget Coates and the rest of the Sky News mob, the gall of him accusing someone else of cherry picking Laugh Sky News are like the BBC, the guardian in broadcast form. They emply hundreds of people to cherry pick and present things with the worst possible spin. Their whole raison d'etre is have a narrative that tries to make the government look as bad as they possibly can.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jun 20 18:04
They have cherry picked stats to try to give a false impression

They have had to drop the scientists now

Maybe trump can make a guest appearance next week in an
attempt to give Hancock an air of competence

40,000 that is in reality 65,000...
By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 18:05
Whether Angoose likes it or not there's a big chunk of the scientific community that have an agenda against the government. I would take anything forecasted by them with a huge dollop of salt. When this all shakes down, imv the big conclusion with be SAGE in its current form is a pile of poo.
By:
onlooker
When: 05 Jun 20 18:07
Thank you - Cider - for your opening observation.

I would interpret some of, if not many of,  the Stats/Charts as running at a continual, more Plateau, Level - rather than rapidly reducing, though... and I am concerned that complacency could see this all start increasing, all over again.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jun 20 18:07
The big conclusion is already in

It is that sage is a tiny pile of poo compared to this government
By:
n88uk
When: 05 Jun 20 18:10
Ah yes, the old scientific community are biased nonsense.
By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 18:11

Jun 5, 2020 -- 12:07PM, onlooker wrote:


Thank you - Cider - for your opening observation.I would interpret some of, if not many of,  the Stats/Charts as running at a continual, more Plateau, Level - rather than rapidly reducing, though... and I am concerned that complacency could see this all start increasing, all over again.


That's right they are not rapidly reducing. The government, quite rightly in my view, is balancing things getting back to normal with an acceptable R. It's difficult to know what the detractors' agenda really is if it's not either try to discredit the government in any possible way, or stay in furlough or at home on full pay forever. Likely both!

By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 18:18

Jun 5, 2020 -- 12:10PM, n88uk wrote:


Ah yes, the old scientific community are biased nonsense.


A lot of them are. Do you think they are immune from politics and having a world view? Universities are currently about as woke and elitist liberal institutions as there are.

How many of them come out of the woodwork last weekend claiming it's too early to make changes? Yet estimated new infections in the community using actual data fell by 30%.

By:
lapsy pa
When: 05 Jun 20 18:23
Like it or not it is political,it is woesome handling of this by a not fit for purpose goverment.
It is a sad circus.
By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 18:26
They had a 'mantra' followed the science, well by and large they have followed SAGE guidance.
By:
nineteen points
When: 05 Jun 20 18:29
the numbers are coming down which is good.but sadly are they only coming down because there are less and less vunerable victims? we know its certainly not because what this government have done.ok they have thrown money at folk to stay off work.thats about it.and we all know the piper will have to be paid.guess who will pay the piper!
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jun 20 18:30
The government over Riding sage is as political as it gets

Positioning Cummings on sage meetings is as political as it gets

That it has caused an extra 40,000 deaths is a polital reckoning waiting to happen
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jun 20 18:31
Overriding
By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 18:38
Cummings derangement syndrome again Laugh

Whitty explained why he supported the minor changes in an answer that lasted about 15 minutes yesterday.

England having London, being a tiny country for it's population and a massive amount of international travel meant we have suffered badly.

I'm afraid China's communist party is ultimately accountable for all the pain this thing has caused worldwide, the WHO being complicit.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Jun 20 18:38

Jun 5, 2020 -- 12:26PM, Cider wrote:


They had a 'mantra' followed the science, well by and large they have followed SAGE guidance.


they have blindly followed SAGE.

Outside of SAGE there is no consensus on the science.

SAGE has failed miserably suffering from group think.

By:
lapsy pa
When: 05 Jun 20 18:39
You have nearly every region now with 0.9+ R,and whispers it is gone over 1 in places,maybe going down but odds on to up?,level 4 pandemic warning with a sly hint of trying totwist it to level 3. This is on the verge of lifting restrictions,the ploy of other is to hammer the R rate and that seems to be working.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Jun 20 18:41

Jun 5, 2020 -- 12:39PM, lapsy pa wrote:


You have nearly every region now with 0.9+ R,and whispers it is gone over 1 in places,maybe going down but odds on to up?,level 4 pandemic warning with a sly hint of trying totwist it to level 3. This is on the verge of lifting restrictions,the ploy of other is to hammer the R rate and that seems to be working.


In what setting though?

In carehomes, in hospitals, in shops, in homes?

Where are the actual new cases given that 70% of people have no symptoms throughout the 'illness'.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jun 20 18:45
Has r changed by definition, or merely to usefulness to this corrupt government.
By:
Cider
When: 05 Jun 20 18:45
I wrote about this before, R is harder to keep down as infections dwindle. Whether it's 0.9 or 1.1 in a specific region is rather moot. Obviously what you need to mitigate against is going anywhere near the natural R.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jun 20 18:48
Government introducing quarantine at a point where it is doing more harm than good



Facemask rules introduced months after they should have been.



Lockdown introduced weeks after it should have been





All government decisions imposed upon sage
By:
lapsy pa
When: 05 Jun 20 18:48
The goverment and Boris himself said care homes are coming down,so cross that off,maybe homes,likely factories,keepak in Ireland have sizeable outbreaks,i don't know but suspect homes.

The initial pushing of herd policy very likely has the UK where it is now.
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