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40,000+ Deaths - and Hancock putting a positive Spin on today's Stats
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I would say literally what has happened is Whitty and Valance told Boris that r must be below one, and he put it into policy. It's a blunt instrument, and very subjective.
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Lol
You wrote about it before Have you been peer reviewed  |
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"Positioning Cummings on sage meetings is as political as it gets"
God almighty what a mind blowingly stupid thing to say. He just goes over to the keyboard and spitting ignorant lunatic hate dribbles out. |
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Nobody is qualified to on here yhtl
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Ah so you just abuse me rather than addressing my point
which of course is true |
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Moy Park was another in NI, IT
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Cider
Hence my point about r being redefined It's usefulness as an indicator has always been dubious as it is pretty meaningless in reality. Now rates of infection fall it is of even less use But having hammered it to provide a message the government have a legacy they cannot easily dismantle. |
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I agree. However I can see why it was given prominence. Something tangible for the public.
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lapsy, do you know how NI death rates compare to the south?
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Nhs on twitter...
Your Health Secretary ladies and gentlemen. Insisting NHS staff wear surgical masks three months after the pandemic began. We swear he is just trolling us now. |
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No Cider,not offhand,i am pleased that there has been a lot of co operation on both sides there though.
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It would be a good barometer to see if the differences were down to the different government policies, or immutable factors.
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In theory both should be similar given the demography, policy would have to factor in co operation rather than strictly a UK policy but an interesting question.
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Ireland reported COVID-19 deaths : 1,670 Population : 4.9M Deaths per million 338
Northern Ireland reported COVID-19 deaths : 754 (up to 29 May) Population : 1.9M Deaths per million 397 |
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Thanks Angoose,near enough,good idea to ban them bonfires in the North of Ireland too.
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The R for the first time gets mentioned and its going up in s*itty parts of the country
They are going to control the fack out of us with this full stop now Does anyone not have a say ? |
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NI broadly similar to the south then.
Could be some variance in how the deaths are reported oc. |
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If 17% higher is broadly similar then yes
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It's not top trumps. There are other variables obviously. It's not evidence that supports the hypothesis of policies of the south having a dramatically different outcome.
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Lots of other variables, that may have lessened the difference as easily as may have increased it.
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Robert Swann and Arlene Foster both went along with an all island policy afaik,again from memory Ireland didn't want much easing until the R rate was 0.4-0-6,i think they have achieved that and for now touch wood can ease,the virus is in the community but in theory ought to be controlled if those figures are right.
Some feckin stark differences,and i am saying that with sadness whether you believe it or not. |
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.https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/health/northern-ireland-moves-next-phase-18364505
New R-rate published today has allowed further easing of restrictions And the fact that the R-rate (reproductive rate) of the virus remains below one (0.7-0.9) has made it possible. |
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Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!
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They said in daily briefings up til maybe even yesterday the R rate in UK was same ie 0.7-0.9,this evening on bbc most UK regions were showing say 0.93.0.95 etc,i didn;t see any less than 0.9,might have missed them but most regions were that high.
Say i am right,would it be a desperate measure now to ease? might be no choice as the economy is going to the wall but as on level 4 the so called safety measures look out the window. |
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The haters will never admit that multi-culture, huge amount of travel international travel too and from the country, demographics and densely populated cities were a recipe for disaster. Regions that don't have these factors have largely escaped from the worst of it.
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Yep not the best Cider,still a very slow lockdown and going towards herd immunity were the main factors.
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SAGE conclusion looking at all the evidence was that r is 0.7-0.9. That's fact. Clearly it makes sense to take measures at a local level for what is realistically a small difference in the r in certain parts of the country. It's only very marginal and only using models.
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You are flitting between scientists and politicians Cider,same as here,you press the bet button yourself,not on what the fella that joined in 02 tho he makes a case.
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The quickest way to upset a virologist is to use the phrase “R rate”.
The correct terminology is reproductive number. |
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why don't government just admit they want to get people back to work now & suffer the consequences of covid hotspots / breakouts in different part of the country ... the 5 conditions aren't fully met and johnson backed himself into a corner with what he has previously said ... effective handling of the crisis has been found wanting at all levels & we are now coming out of lockdown with measures which are haphard; too late & ill judged ... end result will be more unnecessary deaths for which the blame will be shifted to scapegoats who can't respond
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Just as well there aren't any virologists hanging out on betfair chitchat.
I'm dominated by logic, lapsy, both a blessing and a curse! The benefits of partially unwinding lockdown substantially outweigh any negatives in my view. New information may present of course. |
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Why don't people admit they will do anything to discredit the government and be able to stay at home, being paid, or even worse join the rabble and bend the knee.
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No worries Cider,i think Geordie has got it bang on in his post,i agree the lockdown has to be lifted though it is "bad terms" imo at the present time,have a good rest of the evening.
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Mind you I doubt virtue signalling is all that popular in the north east
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Cool lapsy, thanks. I would frame it that the government wants to get things back up and running predominately over the r rate marginals. To hang their hat on the r rate was probably misguided. Though the r is still meeting the requirements set. The alert level however remains a bit of a mystery.
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