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By:
paulypaul
When: 29 May 20 15:24
I have been in the school where I work, getting ready for opening. My God you have to see it to believe what it looks like. A crime scene springs to mind, all that is missing is some people in white suits and masks.
Despite trying to brighten it up with bunting etc is is soulless. All toys and games have been locked away, no sand, no playdough, no dolls, no building blocks. Bookshelves turned around to face the wall. Books to read have to be 'rationed' and wiped down after use.

We can only fit 16 in our dining room, they will barely be able to talk to each other and have a conversation. No ball games in the playground either or anything they can touch or be passed around by hand.
Signs everywhere with do this, don't do that. I will report back but my guess is some of the infants will freak and want to go home because the teacher they adore, will have to keep them at arms length or more. We have sent a video of what it looks like to parents so they can prepare their kids for what they are in for.
Year 6 will get bored of all the hand washing, one way systems, extra rules, sh*te food and figure out they got more work done at home and had more fun!

Don't get me wrong, I want to get back to work and make the best of it but it's going to be interesting to say the least...and all we are doing is following the rules set down by the govt, no more, no less.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 15:37
Indeed paul. Totally pathetic rules and yet another huge overreaction. The damage this stupidity could cause children is frightening. We simply cannot go on like this.
This is the result of the Government building up this illness into something that so many seem to think rivals the black death just to ensure people stayed at home. For that alone Johnson should quit.
By:
impossible123
When: 29 May 20 15:39
Why not just give the kids an early summer hols? Then return early to start a 1/2 term in August (instead of the usual Sept) before the proper 2020/2021 education time table commences. This way a proper introduction back into school will alleviate any shortcomings parents and teachers may have.
By:
1st time poster
When: 29 May 20 15:43
only country not treating it as the black death,much lauded on here now proudly top the death league
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 15:50
Yes 1st time we know that you are one who actually believes it is as serious as the plague. I do hope you get over your fear in time and can go back to life the other side of your front door.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:02

May 29, 2020 -- 3:24PM, paulypaul wrote:


I have been in the school where I work, getting ready for opening. My God you have to see it to believe what it looks like. A crime scene springs to mind, all that is missing is some people in white suits and masks.Despite trying to brighten it up with bunting etc is is soulless. All toys and games have been locked away, no sand, no playdough, no dolls, no building blocks. Bookshelves turned around to face the wall. Books to read have to be 'rationed' and wiped down after use.We can only fit 16 in our dining room, they will barely be able to talk to each other and have a conversation. No ball games in the playground either or anything they can touch or be passed around by hand.Signs everywhere with do this, don't do that. I will report back but my guess is some of the infants will freak and want to go home because the teacher they adore, will have to keep them at arms length or more. We have sent a video of what it looks like to parents so they can prepare their kids for what they are in for.Year 6 will get bored of all the hand washing, one way systems, extra rules, sh*te food and figure out they got more work done at home and had more fun!Don't get me wrong, I want to get back to work and make the best of it but it's going to be interesting to say the least...and all we are doing is following the rules set down by the govt, no more, no less.


Absolutely absurd they are doing this.

Swedish schools been open through out with no problems whatsoever.

It is almost as if Boris and his cronies cannot admit they over reacted in March so they have to have these absurd policies now to justify the several months lockdown and the trashing of jobs and the economy.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:05
Sweden top of death table

We seem determined, driven on by right wingers, to knock
Them off top spot


I see uk excess deaths are showing another spike having been falling
in all areas bar Scotland, probably the result of those ve day parties.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:07

May 29, 2020 -- 4:05PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Sweden top of death tableWe seem determined, driven on by right wingers, to knockThem off top spotI see uk excess deaths are showing another spike having been fallingin all areas bar Scotland, probably the result of those ve day parties.


You seem scared of your own shadow determined to see causation in correlations that just do not exist.

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:07
We no longer have enough real cases to even test vaccines.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:11
I ain't scared of anything

I'm just advocating the best way forward


You are locked away with yer Mrs trying to get others killed


Go fugure
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:12
Figure
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:23

May 29, 2020 -- 4:11PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


I ain't scared of anythingI'm just advocating the best way forwardYou are locked away with yer Mrs trying to get others killedGo fugure


I am not trying to get anyone killed.

My position is simple. Protect the old/vulnerable better.

Let those who are unlikely to be badly effected go on with their lives if they want to.

I don't see why everyone else should put their lives on hold by law just because vulnerable people need protecting.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:25
Er, yes you are, re read your posts
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:29
Dont think you are reading them.

My position is as stated about.

Basically do not lock people up. Explain the risks properly and let them decide.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:34
Start with thread title...

You want folk to die whilst cowering in your bolt hole
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 16:35
In reality IT thats where we are heading albeit too slowly for my liking. Lockdowns been and gone and it wont come back and now we will move on with getting slowly back to normal. The vulnerable will need to take care but as you say why should millions of people who wont be affected by this be expected to sacrifice months or even years of their own lives. Lost time can never be recovered.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:38
Government tests have not been met to get to stage 3

But to get barney Cummings out of news they say tests are net


Excess deaths already going up again


Let's throw a few more teachers on the funeral pyre
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 29 May 20 16:39
I'd be tempted to agree with IT as long as we get the priorities right. If I saw a proper plan on how to protect the vulnerable I think I'd have more confidence in re-opening things for everyone else. Protecting the weak has to come first otherwise there'll be a window for the infection to take hold again and kill thousands more.


Problem is, we've seen nothing like that from this government. We've seen them contort their own advice to get a pal off the hook, seen mixed messages and patting themselves on the back for a "fantastic job" when even Dominic Cummings would be able to see they've been crap.


That's the big issue right now. Confidence. Show us that you're on top of it and that people will be safe and we'll trust you with our kids and visit shops again. You're just going to get unused schools and shops if you don't.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:43
We need to release the lockdown, and get back to normal

But when it's safe to do it

I t wants it lifted yesterday,

I want figures down to manageable levels first.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:49

May 29, 2020 -- 4:39PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


I'd be tempted to agree with IT as long as we get the priorities right. If I saw a proper plan on how to protect the vulnerable I think I'd have more confidence in re-opening things for everyone else. Protecting the weak has to come first otherwise there'll be a window for the infection to take hold again and kill thousands more.Problem is, we've seen nothing like that from this government. We've seen them contort their own advice to get a pal off the hook, seen mixed messages and patting themselves on the back for a "fantastic job" when even Dominic Cummings would be able to see they've been crap.That's the big issue right now. Confidence. Show us that you're on top of it and that people will be safe and we'll trust you with our kids and visit shops again. You're just going to get unused schools and shops if you don't.


Quite right.

My fear is in order to look politically correct and not single people out they are going to try and do it together as a country rather than give different advise to different groups.

There is a very real danger the vulnerable will not get the right advise here because Boris and his pals will not want to appear 'ageist' etc.

What we actually need is honesty (these numbers are NOT real they for illustration)...

If you are over 85 and you get this you got a 16% chance of dying on the data we have.

If you have multiple cardiac issues you have a 40% chance of dying on the data we have.

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 29 May 20 16:49
Another example of this government's failure just today.

Hancock announces on tv that dentists can open on June 8th. Looks like he's failed to tell dentists that though and they're telling people that they don't have the equipment ready to open in time.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:56
Government picking suggestions out of a hat

Clueless
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 29 May 20 16:56
Hancock has to go.

All these decisions from the top is just madness.

It is like a controlled economy on steroids with no infrastructure to run a soviet style economy.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 16:57
Hancock doing as barney Cummings tells him


Javid refused,... He's gone
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 16:59
"Government tests have not been met to get to stage 3

But to get barney Cummings out of news they say tests are net


Excess deaths already going up again


Let's throw a few more teachers on the funeral pyre"

Why are teachers special?  They can take the same risks that everyone else does which in practice is tiny anyway.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 29 May 20 17:03
Because they're already doing the job. Kids are learning from home. The only reason to send them to school is to traumatise kids with alien environments and to satisfy the bloodlust of some pensioner whose biggest risk is probably climbing the stairs.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:07
Teachers ain't soecial

This is merely a thread about schools reopening
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:07
Special
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 17:13
yhtl. I was only replying to your fantastically dramatic post about funeral pyres.  The point is simple though kids are at virtually zero risk so can safely go to school and teachers are facing similar risks to millions of others who have been at work all the way through this lockdown.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:16
No they are not zero risk to those around them.

Hence banned from seeing grand parents
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 17:17
Well keep that ban in place. Thats irrelevant to going back to school.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:17
They simply don't understand at that age either

So asking them to not shiote in their pants or pish on the floor
is going to happen
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:18
So they infect grand parents but not the teachers who are also
grand parents and can't see own grand children


It's peverse
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 17:20
Are they really that scared about going back to work?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:22
With uncontrollable kids, yes

They have been managing just fine these past 10 weeks or so
By:
Dotchinite
When: 29 May 20 17:25
Yes they have been doing great on full pay since the schools were closed. This idea that the kids are all getting a good education online and teachers are all working full time is a fantasy.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:29
They have been in school and inventing new ways to reach kids online

And writing reports

Pretty much a full time job

Your one person across the street forging your basis of a national profession
is not a great basis to form an opinion.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 May 20 17:32
Your one person across the street forging your basis of a national profession
is not a great basis to form an opinion





Your one person across the street forging  your opinion on a national
By:
potlis
When: 29 May 20 17:53
Won’t find these risk adverse teachers strolling down our busy promenade or stretched out on the crowded beach then, spend their day’s locked away inside their homes do they?
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 29 May 20 18:29
Provocative title but with kids its who the will pass it on to that is the major worry.  Is this IT's new hobby horse? he's got off his Swedish one for understandable reasons.
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