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Sturgeon and her genius messaging as Scotland begins exiting lockdown
Sturgeon and her genius messaging as Scotland begins exiting lockdown
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As I am a traditional Conservative voter, I assume that remark was not addressed to me?
What a lie. politicspunter is a dyed in the wool supporter of the snp cult and lives in Scotland. |
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He gave himself away as Meadows with one of his first posts as politicspunter by quoting Meadows from a thread that had been removed some weeks before.
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SNP supporters telling lies on the internet. Well blow me down. What next. Sun coming up tommorow?
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BTW loved her interview today. Well the bit that the OP mentions..
As Cider says whilst extolling the merits of the Stay at Home message she wants the meetings held outdoors as there was less risk of spreading the infection. Right got that Nicola. Stay at home outdoors. Crystal clear and not in the least bit confusing like Stay Alert for instance. |
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Politic Punter supports Surgeon because he has made money historical backing the SNP.
He hates Boris because he thought Boris could never be Tory leader and him winning was not a good result for him. Only a big high risk lay bet on Andrea Leadsom saved him losing on the market. All his comments since are based on this history. |
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Has to be said. I thought Sturgeon was quite smart. I heard 46% of deaths in Scotland were in carehomes. Not sure of the numbers that have died in Scotland but we knew from Italy the old people needed protecting.
This is very sad. Our country is fcekin* useless, jocks’n’all |
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Care homes deaths around 50% is terrible..hospitals told to clear out bed blockers for expected avalanche of covid patients..they had to go somewhere..some were taken by family others into care homes ..god knows what the right action was...England claiming 28% care home deaths but in reality if you look at excess deaths its probably very similar to Scotland's
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That makes it even worse Kenny. South of the border the people in charge were stupid and did not have a clue. It was obvious from Italy this was killing old people. Everything doon sooth was to save the embarrassment of the Tory Party from NHS catastrophic failure. The old people in care homes and hospital beds were sacrificed. Do you know if this happened in Scotland too?
This thing about seeing people in gardens and not using the toilet is utter push too. Time to get on with it but ffs shield your old people better. |
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Keep saying it, the Scottish Gov could have saved many lives if they hadnt ditched the track trace, test up here.
Ireland with a similar population managed it - where did they get their tests from? The same place as we could have? Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Ireland, Korea, Germany etc all managed it much better. Btw all geriatric patients were taken out of main Aberdeen hospital and put to another hospital facility in the city (Woodend). They were certainly not sacrificed nor were they sent back to care homes with covid19 which means the outbreaks were almost certainly caused by other workers coming and going and transmitting virus, hence the need for regular testing throughout (which is still not happening), might not have saved all but a percentage certainly would have even with their underlying conditions. |
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I should say the above concerns Grampian NHS, I cant speak for other Trusts in Scotland
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nes..Ireland care homes deaths 52%...N.Ireland over 50%....
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Terrible figures Kenny all govs. have to get it right if it returns with a vengeance later in year.
I still believe it was a mistake to ditch it though esp for health workers coming and going to multiple workplaces. |
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which means the outbreaks were almost certainly caused by other workers coming and going and transmitting virus
It is not rocket science is it! D'you think someone could have worked this out before hand? We don not need hindsight. It is shocking that those charged with leading us all over the World have failed us so miserably. Not having a go at Sturgeon or Scotland here but I would have thought they could have done better on this. We are lead Baldy,a Prime Minister who thinks the rules don't apply to him and his sidekick the fat one! We should have expected what we got, you should not. |
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whispering...it is difficult to admit failure but unlike the English govt our lot are far more transparent and copious amounts of covid related data are published regularly...6 days with no info about people tested is an example of Englands lack of info...why not published?..draw your own conclusion.
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I give that post a big tick
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yes doon here everything seems to be about political expediency, even the science and not save the NHS, save lives!
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Cider, this was news about six weeks ago?
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quote 'our lot are far more transparent'
I've already quoted the snp spokesman saying Calderwood went to Fife once for a security visit. Completely discredited by Calderwood herself the next day. The Nike conference was also a cover up, apparently ground zero for there. These are not examples of transparency, I'm unsure why exactly when they occurred is relevant. |
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Cider, that earlier story was in the news six weeks or so ago. The Health Secretary apologised and said she had made a mistake.
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I think we covered everything about the Calderwood story yesterday.
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It's a clear rebuke to sofiakenny's claim that 'are lot are more transparent'. Apologising after getting caught out is nothing to do with transparency.
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Here is some up to date news...
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/four-five-scots-say-nicola-sturgeon-has-handled-coronavirus-outbreak-well Over three quarters (78%) of Scots think the Scottish Government has handled the crisis well so far, compared with 34% who say the same of the UK Government. |
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The picture is similar when it comes to the leaders of the two governments: 82% think Nicola Sturgeon has handled the crisis well, while 30% say the same of Boris Johnson. Over half of Scots say that Boris Johnson and the UK Government have handled the crisis badly (55% and 51% respectively).
These sentiments are reflected in Scots’ views of government communications during the crisis. An overwhelming majority (86%) feel the Scottish Government’s messaging has been clear around what to do in response to the coronavirus, with just 8% saying it has been unclear. However, the Scottish public are much more critical of the UK Government’s messaging, with more saying it has been unclear (48%) than that it has been clear (39%). |
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A Scottish poll about the UK government. About as useful as a chocolate teapot
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Scotland is part of the UK. Westminster represents the whole of the UK.
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That does not paper over the examples of the lack of transparency I've highlighted. Nobody needs a poll when there are actual examples.
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Scotland hate Boris and likely hate Cummings even more. Telling people to stay at home is a pretty easy thing to do when you don't have any responsibility for the cost. I doubt many Scottish people are going to complain about sitting on their backsides and receiving a chunk of cash from Westminster (as they would perceive it).
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Well, at the end of the day, both Nicola Sturgeon and Boris Johnson represent the Scottish people, at Holyrood and Westminster respectively. The results of that poll tie up with numerous other data coming to light, including the SNP at 54% (never seen it that high) and the Conservative lead over other parties in free fall (now at 6%), so it appears to be a combination of the Scottish Government/leader doing well and the UK Government/leader doing not well at all during the pandemic, not just in Scotland. I do understand clearly now why Donald Ross felt he had to resign in order to support his constituents.
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You keep going on about polls. Someone claimed the SNP were more transparent and I debunked it. wft has that got to do with polling or a junior minister resigning
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You haven't debunked anything I'm afraid.
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Surely if the Scottish Government were much less transparent than the UK Government, the figures regarding messaging during the pandemic would be the opposite of what they actually are?
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Remember, it's not you or I that were asked in that poll. It's Scottish people that are directly affected.
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That would be like running a Guardian poll on BBC impartiality. Which would win a huge majority in the affirmative that it is, when the clear evidence is the opposite.
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Quoting a poll on biased people as credible evidence is frankly ridiculous.
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The poll isn't biased in any way.
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The sample is.
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It's ridiculous for you to suggest it is. The polling company would be out of business next week if it was.
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