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27 May 20 14:01
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Lockdown already has cost us, as a nation, £300,000,000,000.

If we take a mid number of just doing social distancing of 250,000 deaths (I dispute this number is too high but lets assume Ferguson was right for a moment).

Excess deaths is already over 50,000 even so lets, for sake of the debate assume lockdown saved 200,000 lives.

At a cost of £300,000,000,000 that is £1,500,000 per life saved.

More people are likely to die with the virus and from all cancers and heart disease due to not being seen due to the lockdown further reducing the number of lives saved. In all likelihood lockdown will end up costing more lives than it saves.

The costs of the policy are likely to increase as unemployment rises as more and more businesses go bankrupt.

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By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 May 20 14:05
How much should saving a life be worth iyo?
By:
Dotchinite
When: 27 May 20 14:08
In so many cases "saving lives" is inaccurate anyway. Its merely delaying deaths by a year or two. You could justify the costs a lot more if this was affecting the younger members of society.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 14:10
You have included brexit costs in your estimate.

Lol
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 14:13
Had we locked down 2 weeks earlier costs would be reduced by earlier reopening
and far swifter recovery ( see Greece)

We would have saved another 20,000 lives too.



If we reopen too quickly now we will strangle the recovery before
It begins




THIS IS ABOUT THE 30TH SILLY PROPAGANDA THREAD YOU HAVE STARTED

YOU HAVE ZERO EMPATHY FOR BRITISH PEOPLE
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 14:20
Greeks are starting their holidays

Under 200 deaths

They locked down hard and early

Their government sourced ppe early

They traced known cases.



Our money seems badly spent, in your opinion, because our clownish
corrupt government still managed to slaughter 60k of its citizens
whilst swanning off on birthday treats for family
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:07
8.4 million jobs saved, or potentially saved by public funded furlough scheme
as recommended by trade unions.

Think of the anguish these 8.4 million and their dependents would
have suffered.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 27 May 20 15:11
There was never going to be a surge of deaths over 200,000 though, it was always going to be the number we ended up with but only we'd have got there quicker and it would have looked far more darker, 40,000 would have popped it inside 2 weeks and then the number would have plummeted.

All it did this lockdown was stretch out the event of getting to 40,000 deaths. Nature would have intervened and stopped any mass extinction ffs, the weak would have perished but nature doesn't care about that, you can believe it does but nature doesn't give a fack about what we believe.
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 May 20 15:14
I no the right wing are getting their knickers in a twist but its getting hard to keep up,inside trade on a zillion threads moaning about a witch hunt for cummings,yet here,s a thread complaining about a policy LOCKDOWN, that cummings in his rose garden statement said he was the one pushing for it,,

do you want him to go or stay,is he an indiot or a genius ,is this policy the work of a genius or an idiot

when you get yourself straightened out let us no

you,ll have to get yourself one  of them banners,
cummings must stay on one side

cummings must go on the other
a bit lioke 2 letter,s doris LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:16
not costing the economy much at all ... money will just get recycled  ... overseas nations it is costing them too  ...if it was just us then that'd be different .

so the real cost is around £7.50 a life  probably.

it's a bit like saying if house prices fall house owners will be worse off  lol
By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:17
inflation has actually fallen  ....petrol lowest price since petrol was invented
By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:18
feel sorry for those  thrown out of work ,but they will all get jobs ...it's not like they're idlers who don't want to work

even the homeless  will be housed  ...by order
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:18

May 27, 2020 -- 2:05PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


How much should saving a life be worth iyo?


depends how many more years the person is expected to live for.

By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:19
if that wasn't all good news enough  think of how  the environment has benefited  ...plus the roads will all be shiny new
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:19

May 27, 2020 -- 3:16PM, Coachbuster wrote:


not costing the economy much at all ... money will just get recycled  ... overseas nations it is costing them too  ...if it was just us then that'd be different .so the real cost is around £7.50 a life  probably.it's a bit like saying if house prices fall house owners will be worse off  lol


Costing a fortune. We are paying the middle classes £2500 a month each to sit at home and do nothing.

By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:20
and that lack of polution has turned our climate into a mediterranean one since February  Cool
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:21
Would you let them starve insider traitor

A price worth paying. Eh?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:21

May 27, 2020 -- 3:14PM, 1st time poster wrote:


I no the right wing are getting their knickers in a twist but its getting hard to keep up,inside trade on a zillion threads moaning about a witch hunt for cummings,yet here,s a thread complaining about a policy LOCKDOWN, that cummings in his rose garden statement said he was the one pushing for it,,do you want him to go or stay,is he an indiot or a genius ,is this policy the work of a genius or an idiotwhen you get yourself straightened out let us noyou,ll have to get yourself one  of them banners,cummings must stay on one sidecummings must go on the othera bit lioke 2 letter,s doris


It is possible to disagree with a policy and also disagree with a media hate campaign against that person.

By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:22
Inside trader... most of them do feck all at the best of times  ...they're just doing a bit less work
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:23
The good weather has been one of them super bonuses

A normal UK winter and spring and we would have been over stretched


Imagine driving to Barnard Castle on icy roads with bad eyesight

Yikes
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:23

May 27, 2020 -- 3:21PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Would you let them starve insider traitorA price worth paying. Eh?


Starve no. But why not just put them on means tested benefits the same as everyone else has to in 'normal times'?

Paying millionaires £2500 a month for doing nothing is adding up and we will all pay for it.

By:
1st time poster
When: 27 May 20 15:23
so the genius makes the political decision in 75 years and you think he,s an idiot,but you support him

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:23

May 27, 2020 -- 3:23PM, 1st time poster wrote:


so the genius makes the political decision in 75 years and you think he,s an idiot,but you support him


??

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:24
You don't arf spout some shiote insider traitor

Are you related to Carol Malone per chance?
By:
Coachbuster
When: 27 May 20 15:24
my teacher neighbour isn't on furlough  but a paid  home worker .... good job she has landed  too by the looks of it ....barbeques ,sunbathing and  gardening most afternoons
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:26

May 27, 2020 -- 3:24PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


You don't arf spout some shiote insider traitorAre you related to Carol Malone per chance?


What have I written here you disagree with?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:28
My teacher mate has spent time doing reports, home schooling by video for
30 kids, and one day a week in school looking after key workers kids.

They are doing 60 hour weeks which is indeed a holiday compared to usual 80 hours
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 May 20 15:28
biggest decision he,ll ever make,as you say he,s bankrupted the country,but you ,ll support .but think he,s an idiot for doing it,so why would you have any confidence in him getting anything else right,

like was pointed out a million times during the GE,its alright mobilising the lemmings to go after the establishment,but when your the establishment, who do the lemmings go for then
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:29
What have I written here you disagree with?





Read my replies to see.

The ones you have selectively ignored will point you in right direction
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 27 May 20 15:29

May 27, 2020 -- 3:14PM, 1st time poster wrote:


I no the right wing are getting their knickers in a twist but its getting hard to keep up,inside trade on a zillion threads moaning about a witch hunt for cummings,yet here,s a thread complaining about a policy LOCKDOWN, that cummings in his rose garden statement said he was the one pushing for it,,do you want him to go or stay,is he an indiot or a genius ,is this policy the work of a genius or an idiotwhen you get yourself straightened out let us noyou,ll have to get yourself one  of them banners,cummings must stay on one sidecummings must go on the othera bit lioke 2 letter,s doris


Its all a distraction attempt to get us away from the virus itself

CNN seem more interested in racism today again, there's a killer virus on the loose and we should care about some black spot walking towards a load of white spots on a picture CrazyCrazy

I don't think there will be a 2nd wave either, they've been caught out and no one abided to the lockdown rules anyway, they wont bother with a 2nd wave this thing will fade away as we head through summer

By:
Crisp77
When: 27 May 20 15:30
Don't worry, luckily Brexit saved us joining in on a €750bn debt bonanza
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 27 May 20 15:30
Brexit and racism again

The joy Laugh
By:
wondersobright
When: 27 May 20 15:35
thread title should be cost of lockdown per death caused imo
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 May 20 15:36
I hope your right sont,and the right will have to take the blame for wrecking the country,as ive posted a thousand times since the GE,LEFT WING POLICIES ON STERIODS AND IF IT ALL GOES BELLY UP THE RIGHT GET THE BLAME,LEFTIES UTOPIA LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh,
and a fooook up brexit to come LaughLaugh,
russia report
covid enquiry

wheres the sunny uplands for the right
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 May 20 15:40
Still got Windrush and Grenfell to get past too
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 May 20 15:47

May 27, 2020 -- 3:18PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


May 27, 2020 --  1:05PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:How much should saving a life be worth iyo?depends how many more years the person is expected to live for.


Ok, say you're Nostradamus and have just predicted next year's pandemic so you've got a nose for this. How much is a 70-year old's life worth?

Similarly (cos we're already half way there) do we deny cancer treatment to the same 70 year old on the basis of cost?

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 May 20 15:51
Just a rough figure. £100k? £500k?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:52

May 27, 2020 -- 3:47PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


May 27, 2020 --  2:18PM, InsiderTrader wrote:May 27, 2020 --  1:05PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:How much should saving a life be worth iyo?depends how many more years the person is expected to live for.Ok, say you're Nostradamus and have just predicted next year's pandemic so you've got a nose for this. How much is a 70-year old's life worth?Similarly (cos we're already half way there) do we deny cancer treatment to the same 70 year old on the basis of cost?


Do we deny spending £3m on a walking bridge if 1 person a year are killed on a road? Probably. If 2 people are killed a year probably not.

Do we have a speed limit of 10mph because hundred die in car accidents each year? No because the cost to the economy is not worth it.

These types of choices are made every day.

By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 May 20 15:53
Love the idea too of just putting everyone on benefits. Despite his fantastical idea that the govt could correctly means test the millions involved in the time allowed, he misses the whole point of the furlough scheme.

It's not an act of socialist generosity. It's a necessary action  to stop people spreading the virus but also ensure they don't suddenly default on their bills and bring the whole country crashing to a halt.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 27 May 20 15:54

May 27, 2020 -- 3:53PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


Love the idea too of just putting everyone on benefits. Despite his fantastical idea that the govt could correctly means test the millions involved in the time allowed, he misses the whole point of the furlough scheme.It's not an act of socialist generosity. It's a necessary action  to stop people spreading the virus but also ensure they don't suddenly default on their bills and bring the whole country crashing to a halt.


Most other countries have not been so generous.

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